Should of been Dobbie

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Superbretty

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This is not hindsight I posted this after the first two games when we had a win and a draw. (And was lambasted by some)
Critchley only does well with a good number 2. Was failing before Calderwood arrived. Failed at Villa (was only a number 2 to be fair) and failed at QPR.
Dobbie got a tune out of a team that had been losing all season and was devoid of confidence. A missed opportunity.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Should HAVE
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Chrismalkin said:
Based on him winning 1 meaningful game (and we were terrible) and 2 against teams with nothing to play for.

Such a ridiculous, brain dead idea.
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So he won three out of six games with a bottom three team and giving him a chance as manager is a ridiculous idea. Really?
Worth noting that Critchley was only ever an under 23 coach before he came to us.
Chrismalkin said:
Based on him winning 1 meaningful game (and we were terrible) and 2 against teams with nothing to play for.

Such a ridiculous, brain dead idea.
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Chrismalkin said:
Based on him winning 1 meaningful game (and we were terrible) and 2 against teams with nothing to play for.

Such a ridiculous, brain dead idea.
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Yep, this.

A caretaker spell for 6 games with absolutely no pressure & with an angry squad who feel let down by two managers who are also playing for their futures and having him in charge for a full season are two totally different things.

Couple more decent signings by end of the window and we will come good. We started slow in the promotion season.

People also need to remember those who were here last season need confidence building back up as it would have been absolutely shot. It isn’t a overnight job, the likes of Norburn, Pennington & Rhodes are a step in the right direction and more is needed in certain areas but I think NC is the right man still however concerning the last few games have been. I wouldn’t get upset our 2nd string has been thumped by a PL side really.
 
PR3BFC said:
Yep, this.

A caretaker spell for 6 games with absolutely no pressure & with an angry squad who feel let down by two managers who are also playing for their futures and having him in charge for a full season are two totally different things.

Couple more decent signings by end of the window and we will come good. We started slow in the promotion season.

People also need to remember those who were here last season need confidence building back up as it would have been absolutely shot. It isn’t a overnight job, the likes of Norburn, Pennington & Rhodes are a step in the right direction and more is needed in certain areas but I think NC is the right man still however concerning the last few games have been. I wouldn’t get upset our 2nd string has been thumped by a PL side really.
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Yes thanks for your insight Simon. You still made the wrong man your manager.
 
Dobbie did a lot right in his short time in charge and his time may come. The season is 46 league games and we're going to lose some games and draw some games, we would have done that with Dobbie too.
 
PR3BFC said:
Yep, this.

A caretaker spell for 6 games with absolutely no pressure & with an angry squad who feel let down by two managers who are also playing for their futures and having him in charge for a full season are two totally different things.

Couple more decent signings by end of the window and we will come good. We started slow in the promotion season.

People also need to remember those who were here last season need confidence building back up as it would have been absolutely shot. It isn’t a overnight job, the likes of Norburn, Pennington & Rhodes are a step in the right direction and more is needed in certain areas but I think NC is the right man still however concerning the last few games have been. I wouldn’t get upset our 2nd string has been thumped by a PL side really.
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PR3BFC said:
Yep, this.

A caretaker spell for 6 games with absolutely no pressure & with an angry squad who feel let down by two managers who are also playing for their futures and having him in charge for a full season are two totally different things.

Couple more decent signings by end of the window and we will come good. We started slow in the promotion season.

People also need to remember those who were here last season need confidence building back up as it would have been absolutely shot. It isn’t a overnight job, the likes of Norburn, Pennington & Rhodes are a step in the right direction and more is needed in certain areas but I think NC is the right man still however concerning the last few games have been. I wouldn’t get upset our 2nd string has been thumped by a PL side really.
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So Critchley has to rebuild the confidence of the players after a difficult season but Dobbie, at the end of last season when they had been getting hammered didn't?
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh, what a bread dead idea, to win matches!!!
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Well he lost half of them. With a decent championship squad too. Yes I know Appleton and McCarthy did worse but that proves nothing and isn’t relevant - they’re just mega shit.

What happens if Dobbie gets appointed and loses his first 5? Is it Dobbie out then too?

It’s so desperately stupid. Quite nicely summed up by the thread title being ‘should of’.

Drop the sentiment. It counts for nothing.
 
Even with our scant resources I believe Dobbie would have selected a more effective system & team. Why does Critchley try to make it harder with his bizarre team selections. It's like telling a boxer to go Southpaw when it's not his normal way but forgetting to tell him to revert & smash his opponent. Very puzzling.
 
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I can see us losing Dobbie to Scottish football. Hibs sacked Lee Jonston so will be some movement likely in lower leagues
 
Superbretty said:
So Critchley has to rebuild the confidence of the players after a difficult season but Dobbie, at the end of last season when they had been getting hammered didn't?
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Morgan Rogers was one of our best players under Dobbie because he was playing for his future else where as were others.

As I say there’s a big difference in an end of season hoorah with no pressure and a full season with high expectations in L1.
 
Sven said:
Dobbie did a lot right in his short time in charge and his time may come. The season is 46 league games and we're going to lose some games and draw some games, we would have done that with Dobbie too.
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I noticed in your summation you said we’re going to lose some games and draw some games, no mention of winning any.😁
 
No, it should have been a fresh start with a new manager and new impotus. Attacking style. End of. Sadler has got it wrong, again.
 
Superbretty said:
This is not hindsight I posted this after the first two games when we had a win and a draw. (And was lambasted by some)
Critchley only does well with a good number 2. Was failing before Calderwood arrived. Failed at Villa (was only a number 2 to be fair) and failed at QPR.
Dobbie got a tune out of a team that had been losing all season and was devoid of confidence. A missed opportunity.
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think that is unfair, there was a definite plan in place as we started that first season, he'd recruited well, although many on here stated that jerry and keshi and several others were crap.

He seemingly has a tendency to need to control every aspect of the game and how players play, you can see set routines and if i can see them other coaches can and can set out to nullify them. Hence we come under pressure from opposition attackers and midfielders, or we get crowded out in midfield, or a lone striker gets isolated. It also seems that hes looking at pep and klopp and trying to replicate what they do, Pep and Kloppy allow the players to have freedom to play, Critchley wants automatons as though hes playing FIFA.

he does need a good number two because (as someone said on here a couple of days ago) his assistants do seem to be yes men, it needs someone to tell him that inverting wing backs, or long balls to short strikers playing against two giants are tactics that are just a bit silly.
 
Not dobbie for me , maybe a number 2 , but not as main coach , yet 😉. Critchley shouldn’t of come back ether , pool need similar to critchley but with fresh ideas and fresh start with us fans , the moment he started losing the fans would start turning as to what went on previously
it’s not good for the players or the club , it’s hanging over us like a bad smell
critchley needs a positive win against Wigan just to calm things , and maybe Simon backs him with couple big cash signings
otherwise this is going to be a long autumn and winter UTMP 🧡
 
PR3BFC said:
Yep, this.

A caretaker spell for 6 games with absolutely no pressure & with an angry squad who feel let down by two managers who are also playing for their futures and having him in charge for a full season are two totally different things.

Couple more decent signings by end of the window and we will come good. We started slow in the promotion season.

People also need to remember those who were here last season need confidence building back up as it would have been absolutely shot. It isn’t a overnight job, the likes of Norburn, Pennington & Rhodes are a step in the right direction and more is needed in certain areas but I think NC is the right man still however concerning the last few games have been. I wouldn’t get upset our 2nd string has been thumped by a PL side really.
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I think it is Critchley's confidence that is shot from last season, but blame the players.
 
I'd prefer to see Dobbie get a management job lower down/elsewhere first, for his sake as much as anything. There seems to be quite a lot of our supporters suffering from a twisted kind of nepotism where supporters rarely look beyond ex players, managers, coaches etc.. The thinking seems to be that cos he's 'one of our own' that there is a better chance of things being successful and it rarely does anyone any good when the pressure comes on and things get a bit rocky. I like Dobbie, liked him as a player and like him as a coach. I just wouldn't like to see him ruined by our fickle support before he has had chance to find his management feet.

Critchley needs a number 2 with experience who can tell him the honest truth if things aren't working. I put similar on another thread last night. That was obvious last time and looks shaping up to be the case again. Hard to see it happening mind you cos Critchley already has 2 assistants and I suspect he would resist being forced to take another. Sadler and co may need to put their foot down though and insist on it if this run continues for another 5 games or so.
 
Superbretty said:
This is not hindsight I posted this after the first two games when we had a win and a draw. (And was lambasted by some)
Critchley only does well with a good number 2. Was failing before Calderwood arrived. Failed at Villa (was only a number 2 to be fair) and failed at QPR.
Dobbie got a tune out of a team that had been losing all season and was devoid of confidence. A missed opportunity.
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Could you (and the 'likers') predict the next 4 results please?

Let's see how good you are.

Wigan (H)
Fleetwood (A)
Wycombe (A)
Reading (H)
 
Superbretty said:
This is not hindsight I posted this after the first two games when we had a win and a draw. (And was lambasted by some)
Critchley only does well with a good number 2. Was failing before Calderwood arrived. Failed at Villa (was only a number 2 to be fair) and failed at QPR.
Dobbie got a tune out of a team that had been losing all season and was devoid of confidence. A missed opportunity.
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It’s should have - and no it shouldn’t HAVE been.
 
Dobbie won a game against a Wigan side that was as crap as we were, against a Norwich side whose form was relegation standard at the time, and a club in Birmingham who were at breaking point with no hope whatsoever.

But yeah, he’s the friggin messiah.
 
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