Should Social Distancing limit be reduced ?

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Ollygon

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It should be reduced to 1 metre says Luke Johnson, former chairman of Pizza Express.

He's the son of Paul Johnson the extreme right wing journalist, and is himself anti EU and a Brexit supporter (no surprise there, then)

He argues that this would then enable a lot more pubs, bars and restaurants to operate profitably.

So, another one who puts money before health. Oh, forgot to mention that his wealth before COVID was estimated to be £220 Million.

And in further news, the English Collective of Prostitutes have argued that the limit should be brought down to 1 millimetre. Their spokeswoman Trixie St Clair said that this lockdown is killing us. "The only one who's Cumming is Dominic" she said
 
Very few people obey the 2 mtr rule anyway, extremely selfish people that they are. If it is reduced it might as well be abandoned altogether.
 
I suppose our perspective on compliance is determined by where we go or where we have to go. I've found the majority comply with the distancing, but some don't and this will always be the case.
 
Of course most people have stuck to the 2 Meter rule. It's a small fraction of people who haven't...

If you look at the scientific advice, the risk is being within 2 meters of someone for a prolonged period and not just fleetingly passing someone on the street or in the shopping aisle.

And of course they should aim to reduce the distance and ideally do away with it altogether, sooner rather than later..... We only need to have these daft rules in place while there's a serious threat to human life, not just to make Bert and Ethel feel more comfotable.
 
Goforgoal said:
Not in my experience I’m afraid.
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Well in my experience the vast majority of people comply. In fact I can’t think of any occasion when I’ve met someone who hasn’t .

In answer to the op; I don’t know and don’t really have the qualifications to comment. But what I do know is that while we have to maintain social distancing then we won’t be returning to football matches, music gigs, the pictures, festivals etc. In short, normal life.
 
BFC

Are you American?

I've just measured my Gas and Electricity metREs, and the two of them side by side don't amount to more than 2 feet 6 inches!

Have a nice day.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course most people have stuck to the 2 Meter rule. It's a small fraction of people who haven't...

If you look at the scientific advice, the risk is being within 2 meters of someone for a prolonged period and not just fleetingly passing someone on the street or in the shopping aisle.

And of course they should aim to reduce the distance and ideally do away with it altogether, sooner rather than later..... We only need to have these daft rules in place while there's a serious threat to human life, not just to make Bert and Ethel feel more comfotable.
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Bert and Ethel are the very people at most risk and have every right to feel not more comfortable, as you do sneeringly put it, but safe.
 
Goforgoal said:
Bert and Ethel are the very people at most risk and have every right to feel not more comfortable, as you do sneeringly put it, but safe.
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No they don't!!

They have every right to BE Safe, within what might constitute acceptable / reasonable standards of safety provision. How they 'feel' about that is a matter for them and will vary dramatically from person to person.
 
Dr Zan Von Thingemy the TV guy did some experiments and found he could cough droplets just over 2 meters.
He looks quite a big, fit bloke with a good set of lungs on him though.
I suppose on most occasions it will be how far they travel when we are speaking that matters most?
I know of a choir who all probably infected each other. So singing lustily together seems like a bad idea. You probably would want to be a good 2 meters apart for that, which probably rules out home games in the North Stand for a while.
 
All Social distancing measurements are a made up number. No science has been applied hence why theres different distances. This persistent crying for attention!!!
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groundsman said:
All Social distancing measurements are a made up number. No science has been applied hence why theres different distances. This persistent crying for attention!!!
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Groundsman

Why don't you go for Brazil?

Bolsonaro reckons the virus is fake news, so he doesn't believe in any social distancing
 
Ollygon said:
Groundsman

Why don't you go for Brazil?

Bolsonaro reckons the virus is fake news, so he doesn't believe in any social distancing
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Its not me that needs to go.

They need you to save them. You could be the new version of Flash Gordon and save the earth.
 
I abide by it not because I think it makes any difference but because I dont want to disrespect anybody else who thinks it does.It isnt sustainable though and they need to look at this scientifically in line with opening retail and leisure as it will be the difference between businesses surviving or collapsing.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
I’ve always liked my own personal space so I will carry on
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Most people like their personal space.... Apart from busy pubs, I'm struggling to think of many environments where people get close enough to ever make me feel uncomfortable or in fear that they might 'infect me'. In recent weeks I have walked past people in the street, who seem to think that you can contact Covid 19 by simply making eye contact or smiling at other human beings.
 
Busy pubs wind me up when someone is breathing down my neck at the bar. I usually turn around and ask if they want to get a bit closer.
 
Conflicting advice I think 1 metre would be fine but some would abandon social distancing altogether given rates of attention deficit
I know it would boost hospitality but take my steer from official sources ,science and reliable data rather than business people
Could face masks be introduced in all enclosed places as mitigation
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Most people like their personal space.... Apart from busy pubs, I'm struggling to think of many environments where people get close enough to ever make me feel uncomfortable or in fear that they might 'infect me'. In recent weeks I have walked past people in the street, who seem to think that you can contact Covid 19 by simply making eye contact or smiling at other human beings.
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and what about the people that drive around on their own in the car with a mask on.
 
Scrap social distancing altogether. There are too many adverse consequences.
 
Here’s a novel idea
Make those businesses that can’t socially distance to 2m for everyone on attendance advertise the fact at the entrance
That way those who don’t want to get closer than 2m to anyone else don’t go in
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Here’s a novel idea
Make those businesses that can’t socially distance to 2m for everyone on attendance advertise the fact at the entrance
That way those who don’t want to get closer than 2m to anyone else don’t go in
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What about the ones who choose to go in; come out; and infect people who haven’t consented?
 
Social distancing rules have only worked at places like supermarkets because the weather has been good. People would not queue in the rain.
 
At some point just get rid of SD sign on front door take your chances otherwise we will never get remotely get to the norm and we won't get to see our club for a long time.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Many counties have a 1m rule inc France
Who’s right ?
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As I said before - I dunno; I’m not a scientist.

But you made a suggestion about how we could avoid social distancing full stop. Be it one or two meters, my point remains valid. What about the people who haven’t consented to being infected?
 
poolseasider said:
At some point just get rid of SD sign on front door take your chances otherwise we will never get remotely get to the norm and we won't get to see our club for a long time.
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I don’t especially have a problem with people choosing to expose themselves to risk. But who else might they infect after they’ve done so?

In the same way, if you could guarantee drink drivers only killed themselves, then I’d be relaxed about drink driving. But obviously you can’t guarantee that. Hence drink driving isn’t permitted.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
As I said before - I dunno; I’m not a scientist.

But you made a suggestion about how we could avoid social distancing full stop. Be it one or two meters, my point remains valid. What about the people who haven’t consented to being infected?
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I didn’t

I said business’s that’s can’t offer 2m distancing should advertise it

I’ve no problem going somewhere with 1m rule

Anyone who works will tell you the 2m doesn't work
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I didn’t

I said business’s that’s can’t offer 2m distancing should advertise it

I’ve no problem going somewhere with 1m rule

Anyone who works will tell you the 2m doesn't work
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You said businesses should just be allowed to advertise they can’t comply with social distancing (be it 2m in your original post or 1m in your revised argument). My answer is the same in both cases. I don’t have a problem with people making that choice. But what about the people they infect who haven’t consented?

I agree many, many businesses can’t comply with the 2m rule. And many businesses can’t comply with the 1m rule either.

But I don’t make the rules.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
You said businesses should just be allowed to advertise they can’t comply with social distancing (be it 2m in your original post or 1m in your revised argument). My answer is the same in both cases. I don’t have a problem with people making that choice. But what about the people they infect who haven’t consented?

I agree many, many businesses can’t comply with the 2m rule. And many businesses can’t comply with the 1m rule either.

But I don’t make the rules.
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The Govt themselves want to reduce the distance as they know many businesses can’t comply with 2m

To be honest I doubt many do in practice

I’ve repeatedly said we are going to have to learn to live with the virus as IMO it isn’t going away any time soon
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I didn’t

I said business’s that’s can’t offer 2m distancing should advertise it

I’ve no problem going somewhere with 1m rule

Anyone who works will tell you the 2m doesn't work
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That’s very true. It doesn’t work in supermarkets now even. And with the best of efforts made it’s virtually impossible in most workplaces and that’s always been the case since the start of lockdown.
 
Correct - if you aren’t in work you might have this utopian ideal of everyone complying with the 2m rule

Everyone is no doubt respectful ( for now ) but 2m apart are all times Yeah right
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Correct - if you aren’t in work you might have this utopian ideal of everyone complying with the 2m rule

Everyone is no doubt respectful ( for now ) but 2m apart are all times Yeah right
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So basically you’re saying the government rules/guidelines are complete bollux.

I suspected as much but didn’t think it was for me to say.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Correct - if you aren’t in work you might have this utopian ideal of everyone complying with the 2m rule

Everyone is no doubt respectful ( for now ) but 2m apart are all times Yeah right
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It’s virtually impossible. At least the vulnerable we’re shielding at home though. But in the workplace it’s impossible.
The upside is though unless you’re within a 1 or 2 metre boundary for some 10 to 15 minutes the impact is meant to be minimal, and most of us in work throughout have been testament to that being the case.
 
groundsman said:
Social distancing rules have only worked at places like supermarkets because the weather has been good. People would not queue in the rain.
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Nobody social distances in 7-11s. Doesn’t matter how much ticker tape you put down on the floor. It’s farcica.
 
The sooner they scrap the stupid rule the better so we can get the boozers open👍🏻 Everyone just needs to be sensible, who wants to stand right next to some random person anyway,
 
I'm with TAM and this bullshit talk about normal people going about perfectly normal activity "Infecting other people" needs to be outlawed. Human beings don't infect other human beings.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm with TAM and this bullshit talk about normal people going about perfectly normal activity "Infecting other people" needs to be outlawed. Human beings don't infect other human beings.
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Whatever I had late feb, be it covid or flu I caught it from sharing a drink with my infected daughter ( although she was at the back end of the virus then) andI passed it on to only one other person I knew, my other daughter whom I kissed when she brought me medical supplies.
To add to that covid wasn’t’ officially’ (what a load of bollox) in this country then, or I wouldn’t have done either of those things.
If you don’t get that close to an infected person and swap bodily fluids like I did you’re probably on the right track 👍
That’s why the majority of transmissions occur within households and by family members.
 
The problem with reducing this arbitrary 2 metre distance (where possible) most reasonable people adhere in many locations so it must have some effect, I agree it's impossible in a lot of places & as long as there's not prolonged closer contact that also will help. But I fear if it's reduced to 1 metre some people will take it that bit further & be in each others faces, resulting in another spike. I was on the beach yesterday in St Anne's around 12 it was busy compared with before lockdown restrictions, I picked the time as it was low tide therefore a massive expanse, most groups were apart from each other, but I admit driving down Blackpool prom on my way home from work, there must have been some big families! people just squeezing past each other oblivious to the risks of unnecessary close contact it appeared, it doesn't help with some of these thick bastards when we've had the Cummings fiasco. If we all do what's reasonably possible to stay apart we may manage to control this thing without going backwards.
 
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