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Eternaloptimist

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Read this morning that the games lawmakers have recommended a sin bin trial as part of a major clampdown on unruly players.
The IFAB have backed new measures including sin bins being trialled next season.
FIFA referees chief (Piereluigi Collina) said abuse and threats faced by officials might be the cancer that kills football.
From memory I don’t remember Collina getting any grief though 😂
Other recommendations also include a new rule whereby only the team captain can approach the ref during flash points
It is likely that sin bins will be tried initially at semi pro level and if successful could be fast tracked into top level football
It will be used for minor dissent and tactical fouls and will be recommended at the next IFAB meeting on March 2nd.
It was also suggested for refs in higher level games to wear body cams which has already been trialled with success.

Totally agree with the above and in fact any law that stops players constantly badgering the referees.
Yes, they make mistakes but are only human and it would be an impossible task for them to see everything that is going on during a match.
 
I'd like to see a rule whereby if a keeper gets a red card no sub keeper is allowed and they'd have to use an outfield player.

Sin bins would need an independent timekeeper who would also have to allow for timewasting, which there would be loads of. More trouble than it's worth.
 
I've seen the sin bin in use in the NWCFL and I can't see any consistency in approach or how it improved standards tbh. Felt a bit cheated as I thought it was going to be an actual bin on the touchline.

I did see a straight red card shown for dissent a few weeks ago though and it certainly stopped that situation in it's tracks.
 
When it comes down to timewasting, 'good' fouls, dissent and the like the only things that will work are red cards (not going to happen) and a totting up points deduction.

I'd think a manager on the sidelines would be delighted if his players were getting in the ref's face trying to intimidate him as they may influence him to give them the next decision (human nature). He'd be made up in fact.
 
Matesrates said:
Sin bins and var work fine in rugby, var works fine in cricket, you never see players in either of those games surrounding the referee/umpire, football players and their managers need to sort their house out.
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Stating the obvious, they are different games. In RU you can't time waste. The IT sees to that, plus you have to go forward. A sin bin in football could actually bore everyone rigid for 10 mins.
 
It would be a ** disaster.

It’s a very simple problem to solve. If players abuse Ref they get booked as they have started to do this season. Dunk got sent off on Saturday. I think player behaviour has been better towards Refs this season. You can’t stop players claiming for decisions but that’s harmless unless it deteriorates into “abuse”. Just stick with this new intolerance to and punishment of abusive behaviour …it’s working….STICK WITH IT, DON‘T WEAKEN. Sin bins aren’t needed and would further ruin the game on top of (in Prem) VAR
 
Bloodtangerine said:
It would be a ** disaster.

It’s a very simple problem to solve. If players abuse Ref they get booked as they have started to do this season. Dunk got sent off on Saturday. I think player behaviour has been better towards Refs this season. You can’t stop players claiming for decisions but that’s harmless unless it deteriorates into “abuse”. Just stick with this new intolerance to and punishment of abusive behaviour …it’s working….STICK WITH IT, DON‘T WEAKEN. Sin bins aren’t needed and would further ruin the game on top of (in Prem) VAR
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tbh the only thing that will stop poor behaviour is a points deduction. If a yellow for dissent is worth 20% of a point (perhaps 2) and a red 50%, then the Clubs will soon put a stop to it. Now they are endorsing any potential on field advantage.
 
Matesrates said:
Sin bins and var work fine in rugby, var works fine in cricket, you never see players in either of those games surrounding the referee/umpire, football players and their managers need to sort their house out.
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But in those sports the clock stops at breaks in play, it doesn't in football. Ten minutes can be radically reduced with time spent retrieving the ball at throws in and goal kicks, even corners.
 
I’d love to see the sin bin introduced…..it’s only a 7 a side league I play in but works really well….yeah I know it can’t be the same as professional football but if any players cross the line with the ref they get immediately sin binned. It certainly stops any abuse towards the ref. Maybe could introduce sin bins for tactical fouls too, ones that aren’t a red but are tackles on breakaways where there’s no attempt for the ball
 
** hell, we'll be watching the Hunger games in 10 years time at this rate! Stop fiddling about with the game, get rid of VAR and let's have the real game back again. Jumpers for goalposts!
 
Actually I think it works well in NWCFL. See very little haranguing of officials. Seen a handful of players sin binned.
 
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I am not a fan of a sin bin in football, but I would fully support the rule where only the captain can approach the ref. Under current rules any foul or abusive language to a ref is a red card. If this was enforced there would be 10 red cards a game with the language the players use!

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
  • denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
  • serious foul play
  • biting or spitting at someone
  • violent conduct
  • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
  • receiving a second caution in the same match
  • entering the video operation room (VOR)

I would also support reviews of all matches (at professional levels) for players diving or feigning injury in an attempt to con the referee being dealt with in the same way violent conduct is. A missed stray elbow or a stamp during a game is retrospectively issued a red card and a 3 game ban. If diving carried the same punishment im sure a lot of the play acting would stop instantly!
 
Var is a disaster god knows how any new rules will pan out. The whole rule thing needs a re hash & keep it very simple as the refs have enough to do as it is. It seems these days & not just in football that things are supposedly “improved” & made better, but in reality they are terrible.
 
I agree with Blood. If it came in, for a 10 minute period say, the reduced team would just go into any way possible to use time up, and let's face it there's lots that pros are all adept at. You might even see a team taking the ball to the corners in the first half.

As an attacking spectacle it would kill the game if 3-4 per game happened, unless the numbers happened to be evened up at the same time.
 
For me we should get rid of the lot and let football go back to how it used to be, you will get some decisions and lose some that's the game, it is just taking the excitement out of it, just let the referee and linesman decide.
 
Sin bins will split the football fans world wide. I would have simply trialed it on time wasting only.
First team offence 5 minutes 2nd offence 10 minutes.

I think time wasting would all but stop. As a fan I want to see the ball in play and no time wasting the rest I think would fall into place.
 
Fr33jack said:
Sin bins will split the football fans world wide. I would have simply trialed it on time wasting only.
First team offence 5 minutes 2nd offence 10 minutes.

I think time wasting would all but stop. As a fan I want to see the ball in play and no time wasting the rest I think would fall into place.
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Define timewasting?
 
fcblackpool said:
Define timewasting?
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Time wasting rules would have to be set before hand so simply as an example we know that players choose to delay throw ins so set a reasonable time limit to release the ball if it’s not released 5 minute sin bin and ball turnover. Keepers now that would be a different kettle of fish as more time would be wasted getting a shirt for an outfield player to go in goal so I would suggest a nominated player before kick off is chosen so if the keeper time wastes they lose that outfield player. It will take a long time to set these rules for it but it could work and would need tinkering over a few seasons to get some fluidity
 
Fr33jack said:
Time wasting rules would have to be set before hand so simply as an example we know that players choose to delay throw ins so set a reasonable time limit to release the ball if it’s not released 5 minute sin bin and ball turnover. Keepers now that would be a different kettle of fish as more time would be wasted getting a shirt for an outfield player to go in goal so I would suggest a nominated player before kick off is chosen so if the keeper time wastes they lose that outfield player. It will take a long time to set these rules for it but it could work and would need tinkering over a few seasons to get some fluidity
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I think timewasting is a very subjective term and in football you'd be asking the refs to put themselves under a lot of pressure and potential abuse. Sin bins work in RU because of the independent timekeeper and because you essentially can't waste time. If a player is injured (real or false) the clock stops. No advantage. Plus in play the ball is always going forward giving the opposition a chance.

Something should be done about professional fouls, for one. A yellow isn't enough. Perhaps the offender should be sent to the touchline until the free kick has run it's course. Maybe even until the offended team has had the ball again and that run it's course. Perhaps all 'ungentlemanly' conduct should result in time on the touchline.

I'd bring in an Amber card (yellow plus touchline).
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Read this morning that the games lawmakers have recommended a sin bin trial as part of a major clampdown on unruly players.
The IFAB have backed new measures including sin bins being trialled next season.
FIFA referees chief (Piereluigi Collina) said abuse and threats faced by officials might be the cancer that kills football.
From memory I don’t remember Collina getting any grief though 😂
Other recommendations also include a new rule whereby only the team captain can approach the ref during flash points
It is likely that sin bins will be tried initially at semi pro level and if successful could be fast tracked into top level football
It will be used for minor dissent and tactical fouls and will be recommended at the next IFAB meeting on March 2nd.
It was also suggested for refs in higher level games to wear body cams which has already been trialled with success.

Totally agree with the above and in fact any law that stops players constantly badgering the referees.
Yes, they make mistakes but are only human and it would be an impossible task for them to see everything that is going on during a match.
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Would goalkeepers be sin binned for time waisting like that Cobbler keeper , I bet not ,but he should defo been booked.
 
I think ts a great idea. Have advocated it for years. I would take it one step further and in extra time, remove players in 5/7/8 minute increments, so in the end youre back to basics like in the park as a kid 2 against2 rather than the boring lottery of pens.
 
TheTangerinewizard said:
I think ts a great idea. Have advocated it for years. I would take it one step further and in extra time, remove players in 5/7/8 minute increments, so in the end youre back to basics like in the park as a kid 2 against2 rather than the boring lottery of pens.
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We will be at games for hours, i think a lot of the things they are suggesting will be unimaginable. Let football be football
 
What about a game of quarters with an extra special added on time for a final conclusion. Could boost clubs revenues, food, drink and more importantly club sponsors/advertisers would get more exposure. Give the players a rest too in this ever demanding entertainment.
 
todayistheday said:
What about a game of quarters with an extra special added on time for a final conclusion. Could boost clubs revenues, food, drink and more importantly club sponsors/advertisers would get more exposure. Give the players a rest too in this ever demanding entertainment.
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What about 45 minutes each half no added time. 10 minute half time break then a further 5 minute break after the 2nd 45 then all added time for both half’s including time wasted added together and played for that length.
We could as fans come up with so many ways to entertain us, but at the end of the day those in governance of football don’t give a tosh about us fans
 
Sin bins will not work. They cost points in rugby but they will not in football. 10 behind the ball and we all watch the scoreboard until the sin bin time is up. It will kill the game. Complete joke.

The administrators of football, the best sport in the world, seem hell bent on ruining it.
 
Macseasider said:
Sin bins will not work. They cost points in rugby but they will not in football. 10 behind the ball and we all watch the scoreboard until the sin bin time is up. It will kill the game. Complete joke.

The administrators of football, the best sport in the world, seem hell bent on ruining it.
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Good Post Macs.
Sin Bins would be an easy way out for some Referees
Booking or OFF, 2nd booking would be Off anyway.
 
TheTangerinewizard said:
On the contrary.
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Never seen more stupid suggestions, let football be football and get on with it, the game is shite at the top level as it is at the moment so why add extra stoppages and rules, the way it is going you wont be able to tackle soon and defenders/strikers wont be able to go past certain lines on the pitch.
 
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