Sonny Carey

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Should probably be head and shoulders ahead of Virtue and Dougall now but Saturday said a lot. Is he low on confidence or just lost his way?
 
We’ve still not worked out yet what his role actually is?

He struggled as a DM in Appletons random world. He’s struggled as a box to box midfielder in Dino Micks team.

He’s not delivered as an attacking 8 or 10 for Critch. He’s got decent pace, can carry a ball and has a good shot on him. Maybe try as the wide position at some stage?

Or it’s loan out time in Jan.
 
Carey Morgan and Dale are all players who are inconsistent and don't really have a clear best position. Critch is still moving people around at the minute to see who fits where. Not too many players are cast iron picks. Back three and Grimmy are. Probably Norwood. Rhodes.
 
He came on in the second half of the Wycombe game and did pretty well. Might have played against Reading but Critchley preferred another set-up..Better than Morgan in my opinion but still hasnt established himself, but only 22 I think.
 
Still young and players do come good at different ages so plenty of time for him. For me he lack’s belief in himself, I watch him and think come on Sonny go for it, he’s got talent.
 
I know not why Matty Virtue gets such a poor press on this Forum. He and Kenny Dougall are the “tough guys” in Pool’s midfield. Add Norburn and you have a solid trio which permits a couple of more creative players to try and do their stuff. Callum Connolly is another who “digs”, and I for one am pleased that we have them all in our squad rather than elsewhere.
 
Weir has looked poor too though and he’s, by all accounts, meant to be very good.

I honestly think it’s Critchley’s management of number 8’s. His style doesn’t suit 2 of them in the same 11. Carey will probably do well in a midfield 3 alongside Dougall and Norburn
 
I’m not really sure what Carey brings to a midfield. He doesn’t really break up play, he doesn’t really create anything, he doesn’t really score many goals and a midfielder should be one or more of these. At the moment I would have Saturdays starting 3 playing ahead of him

He certainly tries hard and has his moments but I don’t think he or any of the managers he has played under really know his best position. Was telling that Husband mentioned him as most likely to play in the Premier League in his interview the other week so he clearly has some technical ability that the players see.
 
Chrismalkin said:
Weir has looked poor too though and he’s, by all accounts, meant to be very good.

I honestly think it’s Critchley’s management of number 8’s. His style doesn’t suit 2 of them in the same 11. Carey will probably do well in a midfield 3 alongside Dougall and Norburn
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Saw him in the gym yesterday in Warrington. Glad he’s trying to do something about his upper body strength. It certainly helped Matty V
 
I do appreciate that Sonny Carey is young and made a huge leap from non- league. However he has failed to impress in any position he has been asked to fill for us. As others have stated he is not convincing in the tackle and lightweight and doesn’t score enough goals.

There is a player in there somewhere I think but he is not good enough for our first team and a loan into League Two might help both sides.
 
Dale seems to have come back from Pompey, where he played out wide, as a more mature lad. Knuckling down and working hard to get a place in the team after being disappointed that Pompey didnt come back for him. I wonder if Carey needs a similar process. I see him as a bit of a L1 Mason Mount. Needs regular starts to get better at it.
 
voyeur said:
Dale seems to have come back from Pompey, where he played out wide, as a more mature lad. Knuckling down and working hard to get a place in the team after being disappointed that Pompey didnt come back for him. I wonder if Carey needs a similar process. I see him as a bit of a L1 Mason Mount. Needs regular starts to get better at it.
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I don’t think he merits regular starts for us so a loan move seems sensible
 
Chrismalkin said:
Weir has looked poor too though and he’s, by all accounts, meant to be very good.

I honestly think it’s Critchley’s management of number 8’s. His style doesn’t suit 2 of them in the same 11. Carey will probably do well in a midfield 3 alongside Dougall and Norburn
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Surprised you say that - I think Weir has looked good when I've seen him.
 
voyeur said:
Carey Morgan and Dale are all players who are inconsistent and don't really have a clear best position. Critch is still moving people around at the minute to see who fits where. Not too many players are cast iron picks. Back three and Grimmy are. Probably Norwood. Rhodes.
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You've been listening to Chrissy to long, our new summer signing is called Norburn! Even though Chrissy often calls him Norwood, 😕
 
Middxile said:
I know not why Matty Virtue gets such a poor press on this Forum. He and Kenny Dougall are the “tough guys” in Pool’s midfield. Add Norburn and you have a solid trio which permits a couple of more creative players to try and do their stuff. Callum Connolly is another who “digs”, and I for one am pleased that we have them all in our squad rather than elsewhere.
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Agreed
 
Carey, unfortunately for him and us, cannot tackle, which is a massive "no" "no" for a central midfielder. I remember Appleton saying, following Carey's dismissal at Burnley, that he never tackled, not even in training.
 
Make or break season for Carey I feel in terms of his professional career.

Not got off to a good start but long way to go.

Or is he just not as good as a lot of us think/hope?

Has last season absolutely battered his confidence!
 
Non league to championship under inconsistent management can’t have helped his growth really.

I’d never considered the loan option until now but, it might be the best thing. Regular starts in a decent league two team?
 
Wilburrabbit said:
I do appreciate that Sonny Carey is young and made a huge leap from non- league. However he has failed to impress in any position he has been asked to fill for us. As others have stated he is not convincing in the tackle and lightweight and doesn’t score enough goals.

There is a player in there somewhere I think but he is not good enough for our first team and a loan into League Two might help both sides.
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On Saturday, I saw him come on the pitch then never noticed him again. Disappeared into the Bloomfield triangle?
 
I like the way he's come through the unconventional route.
The lad's only 22.
A couple of weeks ago on the TTV Q & A thing Jimmy Husband was asked which player in the current squad might make it to the PL and his answer was Sonny Carey.
That's from someone who sees him every day in training.
I agree he doesn't always seem to have the belief in himself but hopefully that will come with encouragement.
 
He might benefit from a loan spell in league two at this point, just hope it wouldn't dent his confidence too much.

He's a player that has had a few good moments but I can count on one hand the amount of good overall performances he's put in. Yet we can all see the potential and he's a big lad, has all the tools as they say and on his day looks an adept finisher, but his day is about 3 times a season.

Still time for him, but you'd have to think his chances will be limited with us.
 
Inconsistent to the extreme. Definitely got the raw talent to become a very good footballer.

Goes missing in action.

He frustrates me more that any other player in the current squad .
 
voyeur said:
Carey Morgan and Dale are all players who are inconsistent and don't really have a clear best position. Critch is still moving people around at the minute to see who fits where. Not too many players are cast iron picks. Back three and Grimmy are. Probably Norwood. Rhodes.
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Regarding the cast iron picks, I'd say
Grimmy, Pennington, Hubby, Casey, Norburn, Rhodes and when returning from injury Gabriel.
Lyons should be one of the 1st on the teamsheet but we'll have to see what the master tactician of a head coach plans for the future 🤷
 
two very different players. Virtue is an all action kind of player, it would be unfair to call him a workhorse becasue he has good vision and awareness, makes exceptional runs forward and into the box, and can pick a pass, he also has great positional sense.

carey is very much an attacking midfielder, hes got a sublime touch, really good awareness and an eye for a shot. last year he was used as a holding midfielder, under critchley he ends up stuck out on the wing, and is often anonymous. needs to be played much further forward than he usually is. he was played regularly as a holding player under appleton which cant have done his progress and development any good. It might have actually benefitted Virtue that he didnt play under appleton.

The modern coaching manual seems to be create a rigid system and force players into roles that fit the system, rather than taking the talents that players have and building a system around that. the other issue with / for Carey is there are several similar players at a similar age who are kind of in the same position, do something quite exceptional or have twenty minutes of influence and then disappear for a couple of games.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Regarding the cast iron picks, I'd say
Grimmy, Pennington, Hubby, Casey, Norburn, Rhodes and when returning from injury Gabriel.
Lyons should be one of the 1st on the teamsheet but we'll have to see what the master tactician of a head coach plans for the future 🤷
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Same cast irons as mine. Lyons hasn't nailed a place yet but his mind has been elsewhere, understandably.
 
Why are we talking ahead of someone, building a team is not about that, Sammy Lee was ahead of nobody at Lpool in terms of skill set but he fitted the team and played an important role.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
two very different players. Virtue is an all action kind of player, it would be unfair to call him a workhorse becasue he has good vision and awareness, makes exceptional runs forward and into the box, and can pick a pass, he also has great positional sense.

carey is very much an attacking midfielder, hes got a sublime touch, really good awareness and an eye for a shot. last year he was used as a holding midfielder, under critchley he ends up stuck out on the wing, and is often anonymous. needs to be played much further forward than he usually is. he was played regularly as a holding player under appleton which cant have done his progress and development any good. It might have actually benefitted Virtue that he didnt play under appleton.

The modern coaching manual seems to be create a rigid system and force players into roles that fit the system, rather than taking the talents that players have and building a system around that. the other issue with / for Carey is there are several similar players at a similar age who are kind of in the same position, do something quite exceptional or have twenty minutes of influence and then disappear for a couple of games.
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I would disagree that he has awareness. He spends most games looking like a lost boy with the game passing him by. He has some decent technical skills but his reading of the game is poor. Compare that side of his game with Norburn or Rhodes, both brilliant at reading the game.
 
Critchknows said:
Carey should be nowhere near our first 11. I dont think Virtue should either really but give him his due he played the role well on Saturday
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i thought that about Virtue but tbh i’m changing my mind about him. What i would say a midfield of both carey and virtue will not win many football games in my opinion, not that it’s going to happen anytime soon.
 
voyeur said:
Why should he be ahead of them?
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Wizzerboy said:
Regarding the cast iron picks, I'd say
Grimmy, Pennington, Hubby, Casey, Norburn, Rhodes and when returning from injury Gabriel.
Lyons should be one of the 1st on the teamsheet but we'll have to see what the master tactician of a head coach plans for the future 🤷
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It is good that Casey is a cast iron pick, a lot of posters wrote off all our loans out as not good enough. Hopefully Apter will get more game time with us going forward
 
Sadler's Brylcreem said:
Should probably be head and shoulders ahead of Virtue and Dougall now but Saturday said a lot. Is he low on confidence or just lost his way?
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Must confess at the start of the season I’d have placed Virtue and Dougall behind Carey but he just feels a bit anonymous in this team - I know a few have said about Jimmy Husband saying he would be most likely to be a Premier League player but whatever he does in training is failing to convert on to the pitch.
 
Speaking of Husband, Dougall and Virtue, I didn't understand why all three were written off before the season started by so many on here. It was all based on last season of course. Under different management and at a higher level.
 
Carey goes missing for large chunks of games for me.
There’s a player in there, I just dont see it being unlocked currently granted sometimrs there a few flashes but the positions he generally plays it’s a frustrating watch.
 
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