Stop The Boats

Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I think your earlier comments slagging the Government off on waiting times clearly makes this a political debate and not a humanitarian one which you are now trying to sell us with the above video/comments.

Plans are afoot to stop the boats coming and already you are criticising it but surely if the Government succeed in stopping the boats coming then none of that is not going to happen is it?

For the record I’m no Tory but I fully support the Government here as we just can’t sit back and do nothing at all as reports suggest twice the numbers are scheduled to come across this year than last that’s over 90,000 also how many of those people are going to die when boats capsize?

Without drawing up plans to stop it this issue will go on and on and on with no sight to it ever ending is that what we want?
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Good you fully support the Government. You must be pleased then that they have awarded a post-Brexit Border Control Checks contract to a French company instead of the British firm Wincanton.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Good you fully support the Government. You must be pleased then that they have awarded a post-Brexit Border Control Checks contract to a French company instead of the British firm Wincanton.
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like I said to you yesterday France and Germany control the EU so no surprises there.
Maybe the contract was awarded on cost base?
 
The problem with this debate is that it isn't an honest one. It's being polarised with inflammatory language - on both sides of the argument admittedly.
Most people in the UK will not be against immigration. But most will be against these illegal crossings. Most people according to polls, and media reports, recognise that something radical has to be done.
Too many on here try to paint anyone who supports action as racist or far-right or uncaring and heartless and so on. But they don't have any suggestions on what we should do other than stick our head in the sands. In fact some are incredibly of the opinion that there isn't a problem and it will all work itself out.
Well, most sensible people can see there is indeed a problem, and they want it sorting one way or another. It's a flawed tactic to try and shame anyone that supports Government action.
I'm still waiting for these dissenters to tell me what they would do instead, other than allow more and more immigration. I won't hold my breath, but the thread is still open, and the opportunity to suggest alternative solutions is still there.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
like I said to you yesterday France and Germany control the EU so no surprises there.
Maybe the contract was awarded on cost base?
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It's got nothing to do with the EU. It's the British Government giving a HMRC contract to a French company that was previously run by a British company.
 
Kurtan said:
Need and ambulance? - wait an hour
Hospitalised ?- good luck
Food prices soaring? - eat a 30p meal
Mortgage gone up by 100%? - cut back
Want a decent level of funding for schools? -nah
Want a dentist? -no chance
Getting a train ?- don't bother
Been burgled? - we'll get back to you
Paying more tax than ever before?- too right you are
Fancy a swim in a river or the sea? - see hospitalised
Want a salad? - eat a turnip


STOP THE BOATS
I'm voting tory again
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Wait an hour for an ambulance? You must be joking.

My Dad had a fall, called an ambulance and it was three days.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Good you fully support the Government. You must be pleased then that they have awarded a post-Brexit Border Control Checks contract to a French company instead of the British firm Wincanton.
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My daughter's new passport arrived yesterday. Blue of course.

Interesting that it is still in French and English on the details page.

Surely we left to put a stop to this nonsense foreign stuff?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
You fail to mention was it due to cost base?
Surely you must know bringing this up?
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What happened to British Jobs for British Workers? What happened to the high wage economy where cost wasn't an issue as long as British workers got the jobs?

Every week, we see a Brexit promise smashed to pieces by the current UK Government.
 
Malced said:
The problem with this debate is that it isn't an honest one. It's being polarised with inflammatory language - on both sides of the argument admittedly.
Most people in the UK will not be against immigration. But most will be against these illegal crossings. Most people according to polls, and media reports, recognise that something radical has to be done.
Too many on here try to paint anyone who supports action as racist or far-right or uncaring and heartless and so on. But they don't have any suggestions on what we should do other than stick our head in the sands. In fact some are incredibly of the opinion that there isn't a problem and it will all work itself out.
Well, most sensible people can see there is indeed a problem, and they want it sorting one way or another. It's a flawed tactic to try and shame anyone that supports Government action. in politics.
I'm still waiting for these dissenters to tell me what they would do instead, other than allow more and more immigration. I won't hold my breath, but the thread is still open, and the opportunity to suggest alternative solutions is still there.
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That is a very honest assessment, so don't expect a career in politics.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
What happened to British Jobs for British Workers? What happened to the high wage economy where cost wasn't an issue as long as British workers got the jobs?

Every week, we see a Brexit promise smashed to pieces by the current UK Government.
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So I’ll take that as a yes then that the French company bid was far lower than the British company bid?

And if you were paying it you’d do exactly the same.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Because we left the EU so no longer have any voice or power to put pressure on France to do anything about it. Previously we had 26 other allied countries who could put France under the spotlight. Now, it's an opportunity to disperse the problem outside of the EU. They were never going to look this particular gift horse in the mouth.

Voters were warned this would happen but just labelled it Project Fear.
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Are you saying that when we were in the EEC we didn't have the Cross Channel boat people?
Hardly true.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Bill Norman. You couldn’t get more English than that!!!
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Except he was mostly of Viking descent - also known as William the B*stard. But hey, most of us have a lot of Viking blood anyway. Hence the large appetites for Beer and not having anyone tell you what to do - and a penchant for axes (or is that just me). A winning combination.

And to respond to an earlier post about Japan - they have the largest debt of any industrialised nation (263% of GDP). Just to put a perspective on things.

Without net surpluses in immigration they’ll be nobody to pay the taxes to fund my state pension when I retire - so unless you all get out there and make more babies (probably a long shot given the average age on here) we need controlled immigration.

There should be no need for people to be dying in the channel in small boats - that is frankly criminal in 2023. If a 3 word slogan is your thing: ‘Stop the Gangs’

Human traffickers are literally the scum of the earth. They need tracking down and eliminating. Easy to say but hard to do I accept. But we were more than happy to pile into Iraq (under a Labour Govt) on the most dodgy of pretexts so why not send the ladies and gentlemen from Hereford and Poole after these scumbags.

Just think - how bad must your life be to attempt what these people are doing - think about that next time you complain about the contents of the Pies at Bloomers!

Open doors for genuine asylum seekers - absolutely. That’s what being British is about. Done it for Centuries.

Open doors for uncontrolled immigration - absolutely not. There has to be a fair and workable system, not slogans or dogma.

Controlled immigration - a national imperative given the current demographic trends.

* Rant mode off *

Cuppa time
 
Roy Kent said:
Except he was mostly of Viking descent - also known as William the B*stard. But hey, most of us have a lot of Viking blood anyway. Hence the large appetites for Beer and not having anyone tell you what to do - and a penchant for axes (or is that just me). A winning combination.

And to respond to an earlier post about Japan - they have the largest debt of any industrialised nation (263% of GDP). Just to put a perspective on things.

Without net surpluses in immigration they’ll be nobody to pay the taxes to fund my state pension when I retire - so unless you all get out there and make more babies (probably a long shot given the average age on here) we need controlled immigration.

There should be no need for people to be dying in the channel in small boats - that is frankly criminal in 2023. If a 3 word slogan is your thing: ‘Stop the Gangs’

Human traffickers are literally the scum of the earth. They need tracking down and eliminating. Easy to say but hard to do I accept. But we were more than happy to pile into Iraq (under a Labour Govt) on the most dodgy of pretexts so why not send the ladies and gentlemen from Hereford and Poole after these scumbags.

Just think - how bad must your life be to attempt what these people are doing - think about that next time you complain about the contents of the Pies at Bloomers!

Open doors for genuine asylum seekers - absolutely. That’s what being British is about. Done it for Centuries.

Open doors for uncontrolled immigration - absolutely not. There has to be a fair and workable system, not slogans or dogma.

Controlled immigration - a national imperative given the current demographic trends.

* Rant mode off *

Cuppa time
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Very good Roy of Kent
 
Roy Kent said:
Except he was mostly of Viking descent - also known as William the B*stard. But hey, most of us have a lot of Viking blood anyway. Hence the large appetites for Beer and not having anyone tell you what to do - and a penchant for axes (or is that just me). A winning combination.

And to respond to an earlier post about Japan - they have the largest debt of any industrialised nation (263% of GDP). Just to put a perspective on things.

Without net surpluses in immigration they’ll be nobody to pay the taxes to fund my state pension when I retire - so unless you all get out there and make more babies (probably a long shot given the average age on here) we need controlled immigration.

There should be no need for people to be dying in the channel in small boats - that is frankly criminal in 2023. If a 3 word slogan is your thing: ‘Stop the Gangs’

Human traffickers are literally the scum of the earth. They need tracking down and eliminating. Easy to say but hard to do I accept. But we were more than happy to pile into Iraq (under a Labour Govt) on the most dodgy of pretexts so why not send the ladies and gentlemen from Hereford and Poole after these scumbags.

Just think - how bad must your life be to attempt what these people are doing - think about that next time you complain about the contents of the Pies at Bloomers!

Open doors for genuine asylum seekers - absolutely. That’s what being British is about. Done it for Centuries.

Open doors for uncontrolled immigration - absolutely not. There has to be a fair and workable system, not slogans or dogma.

Controlled immigration - a national imperative given the current demographic trends.

* Rant mode off *

Cuppa time
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Funnily enough I bought a hand axe just a couple of days ago. Along with a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle of Chester High Street.

Strange combination really.
 
Roy Kent said:
Except he was mostly of Viking descent - also known as William the B*stard. But hey, most of us have a lot of Viking blood anyway. Hence the large appetites for Beer and not having anyone tell you what to do - and a penchant for axes (or is that just me). A winning combination.

And to respond to an earlier post about Japan - they have the largest debt of any industrialised nation (263% of GDP). Just to put a perspective on things.

Without net surpluses in immigration they’ll be nobody to pay the taxes to fund my state pension when I retire - so unless you all get out there and make more babies (probably a long shot given the average age on here) we need controlled immigration.
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😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Classic AVFTT, sideways humour and real knowledge
 
News is we’re giving the French £480 million over the next three years to help stop the boats. This will be for extra beach patrols, drones and a new detention centre in France. I’m at a loss to understand why when we’re going to stop the boats by detaining and sending them back
 
Matesrates said:
News is we’re giving the French £480 million over the next three years to help stop the boats. This will be for extra beach patrols, drones and a new detention centre in France. I’m at a loss to understand why when we’re going to stop the boats by detaining and sending them back
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Good point 👍

I can't understand why they haven't set up the processing facility there, as the French have offered. There are many solutions before they hit the Channel, it is just a political decision.
 
Rishi is playing a blinder. The next general election is quite some way off. He’s looking more Prime Ministerial every day.
The left and the remainers must be spewing that Rishi is building bridges with France. (Sorry though it’s only a metaphorical bridge).
He’s head and shoulders above Starmer in how he comes across. He a shrewd guy politically too. My expectation that Labour would inevitably win the next election is beginning to seem premature. Starmer needs to up his game cos he’s too much on the fence and increasingly seems on the back foot.
 
Malced said:
Rishi is playing a blinder. The next general election is quite some way off. He’s looking more Prime Ministerial every day.
The left and the remainers must be spewing that Rishi is building bridges with France. (Sorry though it’s only a metaphorical bridge).
He’s head and shoulders above Starmer in how he comes across. He a shrewd guy politically too. My expectation that Labour would inevitably win the next election is beginning to seem premature. Starmer needs to up his game cos he’s too much on the fence and increasingly seems on the back foot.
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Comedy gold, well done 👍

Weak, corrupt, disorganised, cannot answer a single question directly.

Where's his tax return promised at Christmas?

How much of his wealth does he not pay tax on because it is overseas?

How much has he taken in donations from Russia and its citizens?

How many lives did his disastrous eat out to help out cost?

Why did he have a US green card whilst serving as a UK MP?

The fact that he is not as incompetent as Truss and Johnson is hardly a recommendation
 
And, as I think it was Matesrates pointed out, why fund a detention centre in France, to the tune of half a billion, if his small boats and deportation policy was going to work?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
And, as I think it was Matesrates pointed out, why fund a detention centre in France, to the tune of half a billion, if his small boats and deportation policy was going to work?
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Because there’s no silver bullet. Many different interventions are needed.
 
So you're blaming the asylum seekers directly for the plight of homeless people on the streets and the cost of living crisis.

Directly blaming foreigners for that, but it's not the language of Germany in the 30s, oh no.

Meanwhile the Government know their pressure on the BBC has worked a treat.

Job done.
 
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You are a fairly typical RWNJ. Xenophobic, insecure and nervous about losing an identity that you've contrived, largely from old black and white films.
 
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I just hope that some of those commenting on here have read the story about the homeless children that I put on this site. It reminded me of two things.

1. In 1976, I left my job as a Hotel Manager, a long story, but suffice to say I was working on average well over 100 hours a week and often 7 days a week, other matters were policies I could not agree with such as cutting certain jobs etc, I'd had enough. Unfortunately by leaving I was also losing my accommodation and with a wife plus a baby and a two year old I had to return to Blackpool and stay with my mother. Because I had 'purposely made myself homeless', I could not get any help either monetarily or for accommodation and had it not been for the help of both sets of parents would have been out on the streets.

2. Whilst working for the National Union of Licensed Victuallers, I was called to a member's pub who had locked himself and his family in the pub and refused to leave. His rent had doubled but his trade would not be sufficient to pay the rent the Brewery were asking for. He was classed the same as I had been in 1976, if he left voluntarily he would have 'purposely made himself homeless'. I therefore had to advise him to lock himself in and be ejected by the brewery so that accommodation would have to be found for him, and that was precisely what happened.

There are, unfortunately, many people in the UK who are in the same boat, if they are the right words to use, who were born and brought up here and need help, due to no fault of there own. In my book, they should be a priority.

I am all for allowing those in need to apply and be granted asylum, from places such as Syria and Ukrain, but as has been said on here, there appear to be a great deal of single young men from various safe countries trying to gain access to our shores, a lot I have read, have disposed of their passports and other documentation. We don'I know who they are, what age they are or if they have a criminal background. I just hope we are taking DNA samples from them all, so that if they are refused asylum and try again to enter the UK they can be deported immediately. I know these words won't go down well with some, but, it has to be taken into account when processing these people.

It's often stated that Germany and France are taking more in than we are, but if we consider the relative size of those countries and populations to our own, a simple they are taking more than us does not mean anything.

I may sound cruel and uncaring, but something has to be done to solve the situation, and I can't presently see any party solving it by being soft.
 
Curryman said:
I just hope that some of those commenting on here have read the story about the homeless children that I put on this site. It reminded me of two things.

1. In 1976, I left my job as a Hotel Manager, a long story, but suffice to say I was working on average well over 100 hours a week and often 7 days a week, other matters were policies I could not agree with such as cutting certain jobs etc, I'd had enough. Unfortunately by leaving I was also losing my accommodation and with a wife plus a baby and a two year old I had to return to Blackpool and stay with my mother. Because I had 'purposely made myself homeless', I could not get any help either monetarily or for accommodation and had it not been for the help of both sets of parents would have been out on the streets.

2. Whilst working for the National Union of Licensed Victuallers, I was called to a member's pub who had locked himself and his family in the pub and refused to leave. His rent had doubled but his trade would not be sufficient to pay the rent the Brewery were asking for. He was classed the same as I had been in 1976, if he left voluntarily he would have 'purposely made himself homeless'. I therefore had to advise him to lock himself in and be ejected by the brewery so that accommodation would have to be found for him, and that was precisely what happened.

There are, unfortunately, many people in the UK who are in the same boat, if they are the right words to use, who were born and brought up here and need help, due to no fault of there own. In my book, they should be a priority.

I am all for allowing those in need to apply and be granted asylum, from places such as Syria and Ukrain, but as has been said on here, there appear to be a great deal of single young men from various safe countries trying to gain access to our shores, a lot I have read, have disposed of their passports and other documentation. We don'I know who they are, what age they are or if they have a criminal background. I just hope we are taking DNA samples from them all, so that if they are refused asylum and try again to enter the UK they can be deported immediately. I know these words won't go down well with some, but, it has to be taken into account when processing these people.

It's often stated that Germany and France are taking more in than we are, but if we consider the relative size of those countries and populations to our own, a simple they are taking more than us does not mean anything.

I may sound cruel and uncaring, but something has to be done to solve the situation, and I can't presently see any party solving it by being soft.
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And a Party that promises to put funding into the processing of those who show up in the boats, so as to correctly identify those who should be granted asylum, aren't going to be cheered from the rafters by the dog-whistle right wing press. This is all about dividing the country and benefitting from the votes of those who are all too ready to be swayed by this garbage.
 
Curryman said:
I just hope that some of those commenting on here have read the story about the homeless children that I put on this site. It reminded me of two things.

1. In 1976, I left my job as a Hotel Manager, a long story, but suffice to say I was working on average well over 100 hours a week and often 7 days a week, other matters were policies I could not agree with such as cutting certain jobs etc, I'd had enough. Unfortunately by leaving I was also losing my accommodation and with a wife plus a baby and a two year old I had to return to Blackpool and stay with my mother. Because I had 'purposely made myself homeless', I could not get any help either monetarily or for accommodation and had it not been for the help of both sets of parents would have been out on the streets.

2. Whilst working for the National Union of Licensed Victuallers, I was called to a member's pub who had locked himself and his family in the pub and refused to leave. His rent had doubled but his trade would not be sufficient to pay the rent the Brewery were asking for. He was classed the same as I had been in 1976, if he left voluntarily he would have 'purposely made himself homeless'. I therefore had to advise him to lock himself in and be ejected by the brewery so that accommodation would have to be found for him, and that was precisely what happened.

There are, unfortunately, many people in the UK who are in the same boat, if they are the right words to use, who were born and brought up here and need help, due to no fault of there own. In my book, they should be a priority.

I am all for allowing those in need to apply and be granted asylum, from places such as Syria and Ukrain, but as has been said on here, there appear to be a great deal of single young men from various safe countries trying to gain access to our shores, a lot I have read, have disposed of their passports and other documentation. We don'I know who they are, what age they are or if they have a criminal background. I just hope we are taking DNA samples from them all, so that if they are refused asylum and try again to enter the UK they can be deported immediately. I know these words won't go down well with some, but, it has to be taken into account when processing these people.

It's often stated that Germany and France are taking more in than we are, but if we consider the relative size of those countries and populations to our own, a simple they are taking more than us does not mean anything.

I may sound cruel and uncaring, but something has to be done to solve the situation, and I can't presently see any party solving it by being soft.
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Germany have taken over 3 million in the last decade. Proportionally were taking a miniscule proportion.
 
Curryman said:
I just hope that some of those commenting on here have read the story about the homeless children that I put on this site. It reminded me of two things.

1. In 1976, I left my job as a Hotel Manager, a long story, but suffice to say I was working on average well over 100 hours a week and often 7 days a week, other matters were policies I could not agree with such as cutting certain jobs etc, I'd had enough. Unfortunately by leaving I was also losing my accommodation and with a wife plus a baby and a two year old I had to return to Blackpool and stay with my mother. Because I had 'purposely made myself homeless', I could not get any help either monetarily or for accommodation and had it not been for the help of both sets of parents would have been out on the streets.

2. Whilst working for the National Union of Licensed Victuallers, I was called to a member's pub who had locked himself and his family in the pub and refused to leave. His rent had doubled but his trade would not be sufficient to pay the rent the Brewery were asking for. He was classed the same as I had been in 1976, if he left voluntarily he would have 'purposely made himself homeless'. I therefore had to advise him to lock himself in and be ejected by the brewery so that accommodation would have to be found for him, and that was precisely what happened.

There are, unfortunately, many people in the UK who are in the same boat, if they are the right words to use, who were born and brought up here and need help, due to no fault of there own. In my book, they should be a priority.

I am all for allowing those in need to apply and be granted asylum, from places such as Syria and Ukrain, but as has been said on here, there appear to be a great deal of single young men from various safe countries trying to gain access to our shores, a lot I have read, have disposed of their passports and other documentation. We don'I know who they are, what age they are or if they have a criminal background. I just hope we are taking DNA samples from them all, so that if they are refused asylum and try again to enter the UK they can be deported immediately. I know these words won't go down well with some, but, it has to be taken into account when processing these people.

It's often stated that Germany and France are taking more in than we are, but if we consider the relative size of those countries and populations to our own, a simple they are taking more than us does not mean anything.

I may sound cruel and uncaring, but something has to be done to solve the situation, and I can't presently see any party solving it by being soft.
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Good post, and I would agree with a lot of it, and good on you for for fighting back from your misfortune.

To me though the link between lack of help for the homeless, and support for refugees is disingenuous. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. That is a political choice.

I think we would all like to see the small boats stopped, but in trying to do that the Government seems to me at the same time trying to renege from it’s existing responsibility for refugees/asylum seekers.
It looks like they are engineering a bizarre Catch 22 situation whereby virtually all those who would previously have been able to apply for asylum could now never actually practically be able to do so.

I am fairly sure it will be illegal and they won’t be able to find another country to pass them onto in any numbers.
Maybe the hostility of this approach including the language used, and lack of respect from the Home Secretary will magic them all away though? Who knows, but I don’t think it will work and I don’t think they think it will either.

I agree it isn’t easy, and we shouldn’t be soft in deciding who comes in and getting them to contribute positively to our society.
This doesn’t feel like the right way to go about things though.
 
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And a Party that promises to put funding into the processing of those who show up in the boats, so as to correctly identify those who should be granted asylum, aren't going to be cheered from the rafters by the dog-whistle right wing press. This is all about dividing the country and benefitting from the votes of those who are all too ready to be swayed by this garbage.
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There is support for tough and radical action to stop the illegal immigration.
The numbers keep increasing. It’s only going to be more problematic if we don’t intervene.
The policy to forever exclude someone who tries to enter illegally is all about deterrence.
At the moment there is no deterrent. They pay for the journey and they abuse the system to gain asylum. We need to break the cycle and destroy the people smugglers business model.
If they know they will be refused asylum if they cross illegally they will stop coming. That’s the idea. No one wants to be removing people or detaining them. They want to stop the crossings full stop.
We can’t carry on with the status quo as we see the numbers are getting higher each year. We had many Afghanistan immigrants arrive via legal means. I believe there’s hundreds in the Metropole Hotel. They’ve been in there for many months. That serves to highlight the challenges we face. There’s isn’t any housing for them so they’re stuck in hotels. It’s difficult to cater tor the legal migrants without also having to manage untold numbers rocking up on the shores every day. Many of these are economic migrants. I can see why they want to come here. But they’re not what the asylum system was designed for. They’re economic chancers. So I’ve zero sympathy. If we can remove anyone who tries to cheat their way into our country then great.
I’d much rather see our precious and limited capacity used to the poor souls that had to flee Ukraine, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
I know it’s a complex picture due to the number of different nations from which we see immigrants originate. So I’d very much start with the firm approach for the Albanians. There’s simply no just cause for their migration to the UK.
I do think we should do more to facilitate legal migration. We’ve a much better chance of managing that better if we don’t have illegals to deal with in parallel.
 
Malced, you are conflating two issues: those who arrive via legal means and those who are legal migrants. These are not the same thing at all. For one thing, not all of the people arriving via legal means are migrants; many are asylum seekers. there is a significant difference, both in the reason for coming and the manner in which they are processed once they get here. That distinction also applies to those who arrive in the small boats via non-approved routes.

Then there is the third factor leads to anxiety and protest in this country - the housing of these people for long periods in hotels.
When asylum seekers and those migrating arrive in the UK, they are unlikely to know anyone here or have anywhere to go. The Home Office will house them in an initial accommodation centre. This is a temporary measure before they’re moved on elsewhere. However, an unprecedented asylum backlog in the UK means that 'temporary' can last months. British Red Cross research published at the end of November 2022 shows that the asylum backlog has now got so bad in the UK, people are suffering with poor mental and physical health for years. It also revealed that the backlog in asylum cases has increased 74 per cent in the last year, with nearly 150,000 men, women and children forced to live in limbo. Two thirds of these cases wait for longer than six months for a decision on their case.

So, setting up well staffed and well funded processing facilities would help to more quickly distinguish between asylum seekers and economic migrants. Full processing of their claims for asylum could then be made and the backlog cleared. This would then enable those seeking asylum to be put into better and more permanent housing and those economic migrants given leave to stay could be put into the system for welfare and housing support.

In the meantime, whilst this backlog continues to grow, the right wing media can feed on these distinct issues by conflating them and selling them as one mass problem: ie. illegals coming here to sponge off the State and being housed in nice hotels whilst we have citizens begging on the streets. It is deliberate baiting designed to whip up fear and loathing among the public. Is it any wonder that the Government sits on its hands because that narrative suits its agenda for looking tough on crime, and defending our boarders against bad people.
 
Curryman said:
I just hope that some of those commenting on here have read the story about the homeless children that I put on this site. It reminded me of two things.

1. In 1976, I left my job as a Hotel Manager, a long story, but suffice to say I was working on average well over 100 hours a week and often 7 days a week, other matters were policies I could not agree with such as cutting certain jobs etc, I'd had enough. Unfortunately by leaving I was also losing my accommodation and with a wife plus a baby and a two year old I had to return to Blackpool and stay with my mother. Because I had 'purposely made myself homeless', I could not get any help either monetarily or for accommodation and had it not been for the help of both sets of parents would have been out on the streets.

2. Whilst working for the National Union of Licensed Victuallers, I was called to a member's pub who had locked himself and his family in the pub and refused to leave. His rent had doubled but his trade would not be sufficient to pay the rent the Brewery were asking for. He was classed the same as I had been in 1976, if he left voluntarily he would have 'purposely made himself homeless'. I therefore had to advise him to lock himself in and be ejected by the brewery so that accommodation would have to be found for him, and that was precisely what happened.

There are, unfortunately, many people in the UK who are in the same boat, if they are the right words to use, who were born and brought up here and need help, due to no fault of there own. In my book, they should be a priority.

I am all for allowing those in need to apply and be granted asylum, from places such as Syria and Ukrain, but as has been said on here, there appear to be a great deal of single young men from various safe countries trying to gain access to our shores, a lot I have read, have disposed of their passports and other documentation. We don'I know who they are, what age they are or if they have a criminal background. I just hope we are taking DNA samples from them all, so that if they are refused asylum and try again to enter the UK they can be deported immediately. I know these words won't go down well with some, but, it has to be taken into account when processing these people.

It's often stated that Germany and France are taking more in than we are, but if we consider the relative size of those countries and populations to our own, a simple they are taking more than us does not mean anything.

I may sound cruel and uncaring, but something has to be done to solve the situation, and I can't presently see any party solving it by being soft.
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Agree totally, and I was in the same business, long hours, seven days a week
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Malced, you are conflating two issues: those who arrive via legal means and those who are legal migrants. These are not the same thing at all. For one thing, not all of the people arriving via legal means are migrants; many are asylum seekers. there is a significant difference, both in the reason for coming and the manner in which they are processed once they get here. That distinction also applies to those who arrive in the small boats via non-approved routes.

Then there is the third factor leads to anxiety and protest in this country - the housing of these people for long periods in hotels.
When asylum seekers and those migrating arrive in the UK, they are unlikely to know anyone here or have anywhere to go. The Home Office will house them in an initial accommodation centre. This is a temporary measure before they’re moved on elsewhere. However, an unprecedented asylum backlog in the UK means that 'temporary' can last months. British Red Cross research published at the end of November 2022 shows that the asylum backlog has now got so bad in the UK, people are suffering with poor mental and physical health for years. It also revealed that the backlog in asylum cases has increased 74 per cent in the last year, with nearly 150,000 men, women and children forced to live in limbo. Two thirds of these cases wait for longer than six months for a decision on their case.

So, setting up well staffed and well funded processing facilities would help to more quickly distinguish between asylum seekers and economic migrants. Full processing of their claims for asylum could then be made and the backlog cleared. This would then enable those seeking asylum to be put into better and more permanent housing and those economic migrants given leave to stay could be put into the system for welfare and housing support.

In the meantime, whilst this backlog continues to grow, the right wing media can feed on these distinct issues by conflating them and selling them as one mass problem: ie. illegals coming here to sponge off the State and being housed in nice hotels whilst we have citizens begging on the streets. It is deliberate baiting designed to whip up fear and loathing among the public. Is it any wonder that the Government sits on its hands because that narrative suits its agenda for looking tough on crime, and defending our boarders against bad people.
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Neither I, nor the media, are conflating anything. There's a whole of host of people coming to this country via one means or another. It's the folk arriving via the illegal people smuggling route that many fair-minded folk have an issue with. This isn't something that should be politicised and badged as a right-wing extremist issue.
There's voters from all parties that aren't content to see the ever increasing numbers of boat crossings. They want it stopping. I can't for the life of me understand anyone who thinks these boat crossings aren't a problem.
There's bound to be some genuine asylum seekers on the boats, but it's clear that many of them are trying to cheat their way into the country as they are wanting to live in the UK as their country of choice. They're economic migrants.
The problem with the current laws and rules are that these economic migrants mostly will have their applications accepted. So they then need to be catered for and found permanent accommodation etc.
You talk about processing them quickly, which we all want. But you say:-
this would then enable those seeking asylum to be put into better and more permanent housing and those economic migrants given leave to stay could be put into the system for welfare and housing support.
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Well what's the difference between the two? By your own words, both need housing. So it's not conflation. Its the same requirement on social services and local authorities. Let's keep it simple - there will be additional people with a whole host of needs including accommodation needs.
The issue I have is that the economic migrants are clogging up the system and they shouldn't be taking our vital resources away from those who have genuine need for our help.

You talk about the migrants given leave to stay, but what about those not given leave to stay? As you know, many baulk at any suggestion to return migrants or send them elsewhere. So I'd say whether they're what I call genuine asylum seekers, or economic migrants, and whether they have leave to stay or not, they're a person with many needs, and they need to be managed and catered for.
So for me, it's absolutely sensible to try and limit the number of economic migrants, so we can be in a position to help those in most real need. I've no time, sympathy, or sense of obligation, to what are mainly young male men, paying thousands of euros to criminals in order to cheat their way into our country. That's not a right wing position, it's a very balanced position.
 
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