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Camberwell1

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How can you announce free up of the bonus cap

Take your money out and stop their salaries and certainly their unearned bonuses - tell us what your bonuses are especially if a Public Sector worker

No cost of living crisis for banks !
 
…and you think the majority make most their money on the retail side?
This is an important point. Having worked for 3 banks over 15 years in retail banking, the 10's of thousands of employees you'd be hurting would be nothing to do with the "bankers" you have a problem with. The retail banks are entirely separate businesses, without the massive pay etc. that the commercial businesses have.
 
How can you announce free up of the bonus cap

Take your money out and stop their salaries and certainly their unearned bonuses - tell us what your bonuses are especially if a Public Sector worker

No cost of living crisis for banks !
No chance mate.
 
You know I always thought Starmer's tactic was to copy Joe Biden and basically do nothing and just try to appear normal while your opponent is drowning in his own buffoonery. I wondered whether he could continue to do this bare minimum once Boris left. But Liz Truss and her Z-list cabinet are proving that the Tories will continue to kick endless own goals and he can just do nothing and win.
 
You know I always thought Starmer's tactic was to copy Joe Biden and basically do nothing and just try to appear normal while your opponent is drowning in his own buffoonery. I wondered whether he could continue to do this bare minimum once Boris left. But Liz Truss and her Z-list cabinet are proving that the Tories will continue to kick endless own goals and he can just do nothing and win.
Isn't that the type of arrogance that gave them a 80 seat majority ?
 
Retail side, what's that? Oh, you mean like banks...when they used to be on the streets of every town. I remember those days.
Retail is the side where retail customers put their money in either a lesser spotted branch or internet. It is also where you get your loans and mortgages from.

The other side is the investment side, which gambles heavily with money that people or organisations place with them.

Both sides are seperate these days so one side cannot bring the other down.
 
Isn't that the type of arrogance that gave them a 80 seat majority ?
Are you asking me if I think Labour's strategy in 2020-22 is the same as Labour's under Corbyn between 2017-19? Because no, it's clearly night and day. It's not arrogance to be generally aware of the fact that Boris Johnson was becoming increasingly unpopular and imploding, as evidenced by the fact that, you know, he has now resigned in disgrace. Time will tell how things pan out with Truss.
 
There seems to be quite a divide opening up between the parties. So far under Truss we have;
  • lifted the ban on fracking
  • taxed working people over the next 20 years instead of imposing a windfall tax on energy producers (or trying to do a price fix deal with them)
  • plan to lift limit on bankers bonusses - a Brexit 'benefit' that wasn't on the side of a bus
I think Labour would be against all of these things, it's good that there will be an ideological choice for electors to make at the next election.
 
You know I always thought Starmer's tactic was to copy Joe Biden and basically do nothing and just try to appear normal while your opponent is drowning in his own buffoonery. I wondered whether he could continue to do this bare minimum once Boris left. But Liz Truss and her Z-list cabinet are proving that the Tories will continue to kick endless own goals and he can just do nothing and win
There seems to be quite a divide opening up between the parties. So far under Truss we have;
  • lifted the ban on fracking
  • taxed working people over the next 20 years instead of imposing a windfall tax on energy producers (or trying to do a price fix deal with them)
  • plan to lift limit on bankers bonusses - a Brexit 'benefit' that wasn't on the side of a bus
I think Labour would be against all of these things, it's good that there will be an ideological choice for electors to make at the next election.
Er I think you will find income tax coming down under Truss according to all the media- even the Guardian.🤣😜🇬🇧
 
Are you asking me if I think Labour's strategy in 2020-22 is the same as Labour's under Corbyn between 2017-19? Because no, it's clearly night and day. It's not arrogance to be generally aware of the fact that Boris Johnson was becoming increasingly unpopular and imploding, as evidenced by the fact that, you know, he has now resigned in disgrace. Time will tell how things pan out with Truss.
he can just do nothing and win.

Twist it however you like, but you clearly implied Keith can do NOTHING and win. That's arrogance, im not saying he wont win, but beware the silent majority.
 
Er I think you will find income tax coming down under Truss according to all the media- even the Guardian.🤣😜🇬🇧
Yes I forgot - Truss plans to borrow more money to fund tax cuts - an approach that just about every mainstream economist says will lead to higher inflation. And as you would expect the tax cuts will disproportionately benefit the already comfortable, whilst many poorer people will be unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.
To be fair, Truss is making it pretty clear whose side she is on.
 
Yes I forgot - Truss plans to borrow more money to fund tax cuts - an approach that just about every mainstream economist says will lead to higher inflation. And as you would expect the tax cuts will disproportionately benefit the already comfortable, whilst many poorer people will be unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.
To be fair, Truss is making it pretty clear whose side she is on.
Indeed she is.

It’s also fair to say that the non taxpayer (not the rich obviously) is generally more likely to vote labour - so reducing taxes is probably a big vote winner for her - that said in an era of high inflation I disagree with it.

It makes no sense, increase the money supply through lower taxation and then have to reduce it by increasing interest rates.

Although they can always claim the BoE is independent!!!

I don’t agree with windfall taxes introduced for specific things HOWEVER I would introduce a higher corp tax rate for companies making over x - what that rate or level should be is above my pay grade - BUT that is equal to all.

It will be good to have an election based on ideology - but last time the country picked the Tories just and that was with Corbyn promising the moon on a stick.

How it will go - I honestly don’t know but as a betting man I would currently have a very small wager on Labour providing they don’t drift back to Corbyn’s left again.

….but don’t forget - high inflation is a quick way to reduce the actual value of debt.
 
he can just do nothing and win.

Twist it however you like, but you clearly implied Keith can do NOTHING and win. That's arrogance, im not saying he wont win, but beware the silent majority.
I said Keir's strategy was to appear sensible and normal and yes, basically do nothing while your opponent defeats himself. Oldest strategy in the book (literally - in The Art of War). It worked. Boris resigned in disgrace. Whether it will work against Truss, time will tell, but when the Tories are asking for more money for bankers during a cost of living crisis, they are doing Starmer's job for him. I couldn't think of a more universally loathed policy to announce at exactly the worst possible time. It's shockingly bad politics.
 
It makes no sense, increase the money supply through lower taxation and then have to reduce it by increasing interest rates
That makes perfect sense to me. The wealthiest who benefit most from tax cuts will now earn more interest on their savings which will be growing thanks to those same tax cuts. Win win all round for them
 
That makes perfect sense to me. The wealthiest who benefit most from tax cuts will now earn more interest on their savings which will be growing thanks to those same tax cuts. Win win all round for them
That’s not correct though.

The vast majority of the rich will only hold a small amount of their wealth in cash and interest rates are so poor compared to inflation - you actually lose money.

You need to invest it in something that hopefully gives you a decent return - which is easier said than done.
 
Yes I forgot - Truss plans to borrow more money to fund tax cuts - an approach that just about every mainstream economist says will lead to higher inflation. And as you would expect the tax cuts will disproportionately benefit the already comfortable, whilst many poorer people will be unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.
To be fair, Truss is making it pretty clear whose side she is on.
As you are not paying any taxes- being a donkey with no name you are invisible to HMRC.Also Robbie from Catford is giving you loads of free carrots no doubt.Donkey youv'e never had it so good!😂
 
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Retail is the side where retail customers put their money in either a lesser spotted branch or internet. It is also where you get your loans and mortgages from.

The other side is the investment side, which gambles heavily with money that people or organisations place with them.

Both sides are seperate these days so one side cannot bring the other down.
Yes, I am aware.
 
Indeed she is.

It’s also fair to say that the non taxpayer (not the rich obviously) is generally more likely to vote labour - so reducing taxes is probably a big vote winner for her - that said in an era of high inflation I disagree with it.

It makes no sense, increase the money supply through lower taxation and then have to reduce it by increasing interest rates.

Although they can always claim the BoE is independent!!!

I don’t agree with windfall taxes introduced for specific things HOWEVER I would introduce a higher corp tax rate for companies making over x - what that rate or level should be is above my pay grade - BUT that is equal to all.

It will be good to have an election based on ideology - but last time the country picked the Tories just and that was with Corbyn promising the moon on a stick.

How it will go - I honestly don’t know but as a betting man I would currently have a very small wager on Labour providing they don’t drift back to Corbyn’s left again.

….but don’t forget - high inflation is a quick way to reduce the actual value of debt.
you seem to be coming around to something id said a few months ago about wealth taxes for very large companies,
 
Retail is the side where retail customers put their money in either a lesser spotted branch or internet. It is also where you get your loans and mortgages from.

The other side is the investment side, which gambles heavily with money that people or organisations place with them.

Both sides are seperate these days so one side cannot bring the other down.
But there is no dividing line, the banks are very specifically lobbying to oppose the proposed ring-fencing of retail and corporate investment banking. Mortgages, Credit cards and personal loans are still being used as the basis of investment products, and retail funds are still being used as assets in the investment arena.
 
Not sure the wife's employer is going to pay her wages that way.
Nah until something comes along better than the banks for running our household with no charge I'll stay thanks.
no reason why not, you can do direct debits, have cards, and operate at a consumer level pretty much the same as any bank.
 
not quite free but in my own instance what was defined as commission and charges free banking by my bank was costing me about 800 euros a year on my personal account and about 3k per year for my business account, Ive reduced those charges by about 90% on my personal accounts, and by about 75% on my business accounts. They wont work for everyone, and i have some issues with them in Spain in that several financial institutions wont accept the account numbers for things like direct debits which is contrary to EU law - obviously that no longer applies to the UK. Ive not heard any issues like that in the UK though, and its regulated by the FSA.

the other thing that is interesting is that on a transaction platform the money remains in legal ownership of the customer, whereas money in a bank is legally the property of the bank.
 
About to put the same thing, they wouldn't care less if customers stopped using.
Captive market - try operating in the modern world without a bank account. When i first started working in the banking sector in 1476 or thereabouts, I was going through a report on charging errors for credit cards, which was being estimated at something like 7 or 8 % of operating profits.

I was having a conversation the other day about competition in the banking sector, and the truth is the main banks in any most respects are not competing with each other, they are competing with the regulators, the customers (in terms of how much they can extract) and innovations in the market either new entrants or new methods.

I think corporate tax could be linked to earnings inequality in the company. The more disparate it is the higher the tax rate.

The whole banking sector needs a root and branch reform starting with proper separation of the retail side and the high risk corporate investment side, including removing the retail products from the investment portfolios. The government has just given UK banking execs the green light to speed up their run to the next crash.
 
There seems to be quite a divide opening up between the parties. So far under Truss we have;
  • lifted the ban on fracking
  • taxed working people over the next 20 years instead of imposing a windfall tax on energy producers (or trying to do a price fix deal with them)
  • plan to lift limit on bankers bonusses - a Brexit 'benefit' that wasn't on the side of a bus
I think Labour would be against all of these things, it's good that there will be an ideological choice for electors to make at the next election.
Unfortunately I get the feeling that Starmer is scared stiff of offending Mail and Express readers so will say nothing about this stuff.
Problem is he seems to be placating and not offending people that will never vote for him instead of firing up the people who are progressive, forward thinking and wanting a change from backward looking minority based Tory policies.
Starmer is pathetic and uninspiring, Truss is deluded and self serving, not much of a choice from the two major parties.
 
Isn't that the type of arrogance that gave them a 80 seat majority ?
No, not really. The election was won by the Tories on three fronts:

1. Corbyn vascilated about the EU, which partly drove the urban working classes away from Labour.

2. Corbyn was not trusted on foreign policy because of the way he was painted by the right-wing press as a Russia supporter and an IRA camp follower. His history made it easy to convince about the latter.

3. Johnson sold himself as a no-nonsense "get Brexit done" man. That captured a lot of votes.
 
Unfortunately I get the feeling that Starmer is scared stiff of offending Mail and Express readers so will say nothing about this stuff.
Problem is he seems to be placating and not offending people that will never vote for him instead of firing up the people who are progressive, forward thinking and wanting a change from backward looking minority based Tory policies.
Starmer is pathetic and uninspiring, Truss is deluded and self serving, not much of a choice from the two major parties.
Just commenting on the politics here, not whether I personally like it, I think he's betting those progressive forward thinking voters who want change will vote for him anyway. He doesn't need to veer too far left because he can count on their support because ultimately, a large section of these people just despise the Tories. Like you said, they want change. They are politically engaged and determined to get them out. They'll hold their noses and vote for Starmer. Meanwhile, current polls show 10% of 2019 Tory voters have flipped to Labour (which can obviously change between now and the election). So they have converted a decent chunk, likely a lot of 'red wall' voters. I will say however, in my opinion, there will likely come a time to be bold and stand for things, rather than just stand against the Tories. And going off against bankers bonuses is the easiest attack line in the world. I'd bet all my money you'll see it in the next PMQs.
 
No, not really. The election was won by the Tories on three fronts:

1. Corbyn vascilated about the EU, which partly drove the urban working classes away from Labour.

2. Corbyn was not trusted on foreign policy because of the way he was painted by the right-wing press as a Russia supporter and an IRA camp follower. His history made it easy to convince about the latter.

3. Johnson sold himself as a no-nonsense "get Brexit done" man. That captured a lot of votes.
Yeah, Boris was in exceptionally strong position because of Brexit. In 2019 Brexit was the most important issue in politics. Not anymore. 78% of people say the economy is the most important issue, with just 16% for Brexit. And Labour are slightly ahead of the Tories on the economy. Which is shocking. I always kinda think that if Labour are winning on the economy the Tories are screwed and if the Tories are winning on the NHS (which they were under Corbyn), Labour are screwed.
 
Just commenting on the politics here, not whether I personally like it, I think he's betting those progressive forward thinking voters who want change will vote for him anyway. He doesn't need to veer too far left because he can count on their support because ultimately, a large section of these people just despise the Tories. Like you said, they want change. They are politically engaged and determined to get them out. They'll hold their noses and vote for Starmer. Meanwhile, current polls show 10% of 2019 Tory voters have flipped to Labour (which can obviously change between now and the election). So they have converted a decent chunk, likely a lot of 'red wall' voters. I will say however, in my opinion, there will likely come a time to be bold and stand for things, rather than just stand against the Tories. And going off against bankers bonuses is the easiest attack line in the world. I'd bet all my money you'll see it in the next PMQs.
Politicians that speak freely and from the heart convince people. The politicians that are playing the game, don't convince. You can spot it a mile off. Can't stand Farage but he had one issue that he believed in and gave his truth about, managed to convince 52% that it was the right thing but if you gave it some thought there were far more possible negatives than he ever mentioned.
Personally on the back of Starmer acting as he does I will vote Green, Lib Dem or just spoil the voting slip, he's playing the game and does it badly. Give people a positive alternative that makes life better for more people and I'll probably vote Labour.
 
Politicians that speak freely and from the heart convince people. The politicians that are playing the game, don't convince. You can spot it a mile off. Can't stand Farage but he had one issue that he believed in and gave his truth about, managed to convince 52% that it was the right thing but if you gave it some thought there were far more possible negatives than he ever mentioned.
Personally on the back of Starmer acting as he does I will vote Green, Lib Dem or just spoil the voting slip, he's playing the game and does it badly. Give people a positive alternative that makes life better for more people and I'll probably vote Labour.
May I ask are you in a marginal seat? If you were in a marginal seat where it's neck and neck between the Tories and Labour, with no 3rd party having any chance in your seat, who would you vote for tomorrow?
 
May I ask are you in a marginal seat? If you were in a marginal seat where it's neck and neck between the Tories and Labour, with no 3rd party having any chance in your seat, who would you vote for tomorrow?
I'm in one of the least marginal seats in the UK. FY8. If I was in a.marginal I would vote tactically to eliminate the Tory. In my opinion Labour and Green should stand down in FY8 which might cause Menzies to actually have to fight for his place in Westminster!
 
I'm in one of the least marginal seats in the UK. FY8. If I was in a.marginal I would vote tactically to eliminate the Tory. In my opinion Labour and Green should stand down in FY8 which might cause Menzies to actually have to fight for his place in Westminster!
Yeah that's kind of what I mean. Again, just speaking strategically here to win, Starmer can ''afford' to lose your vote, because yours is an extremely safe seat. They will be betting people such as yourself (and frankly me) who are uninspired, would vote anyway in a marginal because it's tactical. I think we will see more aggressive tactical voting, whether led by the parties or done by the people anyway.
 
I'm in one of the least marginal seats in the UK. FY8. If I was in a.marginal I would vote tactically to eliminate the Tory. In my opinion Labour and Green should stand down in FY8 which might cause Menzies to actually have to fight for his place in Westminster!
As recently as the 1980s Fylde was the safest Tory seat in the country. I think Labour need to fight every seat in order to be a truly national party. As for the voters, I agree that those who would vote Labour and Green might vote Lib Dem tactically. That said , I can understand Labour voters balking at a vote for the Lib Dems after their lickspittle support of the Tories in 2010-15.
 
As recently as the 1980s Fylde was the safest Tory seat in the country. I think Labour need to fight every seat in order to be a truly national party. As for the voters, I agree that those who would vote Labour and Green might vote Lib Dem tactically. That said , I can understand Labour voters balking at a vote for the Lib Dems after their lickspittle support of the Tories in 2010-15.
And this is where the Tories have it easy and cash in. Left and centre splits at least 55% of the vote. The Tories eliminate UKIP and pretty much secure the other 45. With our antiquated voting system they are very difficult to beat.
 
How can you announce free up of the bonus cap

Take your money out and stop their salaries and certainly their unearned bonuses - tell us what your bonuses are especially if a Public Sector worker

No cost of living crisis for banks !
I don't think any incoming Premier has ever been so blatant about sucking up to big business and sod the electorate.

First no windfall tax on energy companies and now bankers' bonuses.

It's like it's deliberate.
 
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