Structured Dialogue Minutes here....

AllOrNothing said:
A lot of waffle about not a lot. Most concerning is the East stand news, you can tell we're planning to hand it all over to away fans. Apart from the obvious reason (money/income), which is a very good one, this is a difficult decision for the fans to reconcile. If we get off to a good start demand will increase but we'll have effectively closed off the option of having more home fans in the ground
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The club have to allow for a certain percentage for away following. The club is now being run well and the owner has the interests of the club, the fans and the town at heart...
 
Plumbs said:
Thank you for clarifying that and avoiding the confusion that arose, which of course conflicts with FSA standard policy of marginalizing non Trust supporters groups.

There still seems to be an issue with individual fans being able to raise a question directly with the club as indeed there is with other clubs. Surely the priority should be with Blackpool FC and not having to go through a Trust, as inevitably I guess it might not be a straightforward question.

The FSA usually only allow regular fans to speak on one occasion ie at the AGM, and that seems to be replicated to some degree by you 'shielding' fans views.
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Again, just for the sake of being clear - we don't alter or edit questions. We do group together similar questions on the same subject simply as a courtesy to the SLO.

On individual fans making representations - the original message from Steve made it clear that individuals could mail him direct if they wished. One or two of our Members do both.
 
Insider said:
With the greatest respect to the Board there's alot of "wait and see" answers.
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And very similar to previous structured dialogue meetings. We can see progress both on and off the pitch. Just wish they were a little more open on some things.
 
BlackpoolSupportersTrust said:
Again, just for the sake of being clear - we don't alter or edit questions. We do group together similar questions on the same subject simply as a courtesy to the SLO.

On individual fans making representations - the original message from Steve made it clear that individuals could mail him direct if they wished. One or two of our Members do both.
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I haven't said you alter or edit questions but -for instance- there was some uncertainty previously when the SLO stated fans were threatening to sue the club over season ticket refunds which wasnt necessarily the case.

I think the point is that Blackpool fans would like the opportunity to ask things themselves, and one thing you could facilitate is a couple of random fans being invited at each meeting.

Btw these meetings are miles better than anything else other clubs do and your efforts in helping with this are noted. I just wish the FSA would acknowledge this and use it as a blueprint for other clubs.

MOT
 
Not very happy with what I've just read. We'd love to tell you everything that's happening and what's got no chance but....we've no intention of doing so.

What a charade.
 
Mansford obviously wary of making sweeping, grandiose statements having had them backfire before. Gerrity obviously wary of coming across poorly. The reality is that SS, despite having put a management structure in place, essentially runs the club day to day and it's a pretty tight ship - hence the 'wait and see' answers.

Will they/he get everything right? No. Will they/he do things as quickly as we want? No. Do they/he have our best interests in mind? Yes. They'll do for me.

Onwards and upwards.
 
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Abel said:
Mansford obviously wary of making sweeping, grandiose statements having had them backfire before. Gerrity obviously wary of coming across poorly. The reality is that SS, despite having put a management structure in place, essentially runs the club day to day and it's a pretty tight ship - hence the 'wait and see' answers.

Will they/he get everything right? No. Will they/he do things as quickly as we want? No. Do they/he have our best interests in mind? Yes. They'll do for me.

Onwards and upwards.
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They/he will also have their own interests at heart too. Common sense.
 
Abel said:
Mansford obviously wary of making sweeping, grandiose statements having had them backfire before. Gerrity obviously wary of coming across poorly. The reality is that SS, despite having put a management structure in place, essentially runs the club day to day and it's a pretty tight ship - hence the 'wait and see' answers.

Will they/he get everything right? No. Will they/he do things as quickly as we want? No. Do they/he have our best interests in mind? Yes. They'll do for me.

Onwards and upwards.
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It’s interesting to note that people who’ve dealt with Segantii Capital have also had difficulty in getting them to talk about specifics of how they do business … not investors, I might add. They certainly get more detail.

Mr Sadler certainly thinks strategy and technique are his ‘secret sauce’ and he doesn’t want to give too many clues to his rivals. Maybe doesn’t work quite the same in football as in hedge fund management 🤔
 
TKL_Seasider said:
It’s interesting to note that people who’ve dealt with Segantii Capital have also had difficulty in getting them to talk about specifics of how they do business … not investors, I might add. They certainly get more detail.

Mr Sadler certainly thinks strategy and technique are his ‘secret sauce’ and he doesn’t want to give too many clues to his rivals. Maybe doesn’t work quite the same in football as in hedge fund management 🤔
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It's interesting to read up on Lincoln's chairman Clive Nates. Also a hedge fund manager, and from what I understand not dissimilar in style from SS (he too runs a very tight ship, for example).
 
Rock and Roll Star said:
The club have to allow for a certain percentage for away following. The club is now being run well and the owner has the interests of the club, the fans and the town at heart...
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Well if we give the whole East to away fans its nearly a third of capacity going to away fans.
 
Exactly 👍🏼
SomersetSeasider said:
We’re clearly moving in the right direction on and off the pitch. Too many people want instant answers now and the board aren’t going to commit to things until they’re certain.
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Simon has invested in the team, manager, back room staff, ground etc etc etc and some people still moan cos they aren’t told everything that’s going on 🙄…….. oh and all done during a pandemic. The man and his close team are heroes to me and I personally won’t be pushing for answers that are kept private for a reason 👍🏼
 
Martonmosser said:
Exactly 👍🏼

Simon has invested in the team, manager, back room staff, ground etc etc etc and some people still moan cos they aren’t told everything that’s going on 🙄…….. oh and all done during a pandemic. The man and his close team are heroes to me and I personally won’t be pushing for answers that are kept private for a reason 👍🏼
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Try not to get stuck too far up his backside... PastorMosser🤣
 
Martonmosser said:
Exactly 👍🏼

Simon has invested in the team, manager, back room staff, ground etc etc etc and some people still moan cos they aren’t told everything that’s going on 🙄…….. oh and all done during a pandemic. The man and his close team are heroes to me and I personally won’t be pushing for answers that are kept private for a reason 👍🏼
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I think, going back to the bad old days, some people (not me obviously) would call you a bumspider. 😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Crikey... I was only having a laugh... I didn't expect you to stoop that low.

But let's face it, the bloke's treated some pretty decent and committed supporters rather shabbily
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Which bloke? Simon, Ben or Brett? And why didn’t you have it out with them directly instead of sniping on here……I thought better of you than that. Oh and as for the pastor comment, that was always going to provoke a reaction wasn’t it 🤔
 
Martonmosser said:
Which bloke? Simon, Ben or Brett? And why didn’t you have it out with them directly instead of sniping on here……I thought better of you than that. Oh and as for the pastor comment, that was always going to provoke a reaction wasn’t it 🤔
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I'm not sniping on here, I'm simply responding to you....

A reaction, yes, but there's taking the piss and overstepping the mark mate (I though you might see the funny side).... Have a pop at me personally by all means.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That was certainly worth the wait 👍

Any chance of a diary date for the next "Pointless Dialogie Meeting"

On the plus side, we have a 'vegan option' and the potential installation of some pigeo netting to look forward to. Not to mention the hugely important matter of painting the concourse... Quite why we need a structured fan meeting to bring up the idea of painting the concourse God only knows!! Surely BST could just speak to the Club, rather than wasting time and potential more valuable questions....?

Ithink some of the lines of questions were a bit weak too, particulary around issues like the East Stand... I mean they were asked about the Timeline, but no question concerning how they feel about long term capacity or what their vision might be in an ideal situation, not that they wouldn't have skilfully sidestepped whatever they were asked.

All too polite and easily brushed off for me and frankly if an Oyston had of been conducting that, the fans would be in uproar.... Not good enough IMHO...
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Bit of sniping on this post…..
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I know Robbie and Wiz, but on the basis of their questions, I'd probably question why they were involved....I mean WTF are we asking questions about when the Season Ticket Cards are going to be issued to the Board of Directors for? Ring up the Ticket Office FFS!!

That's the point I'm making though, it's easy to brush of the key questions when a) They are asked poorly b) they are not properly followed up and c) we have 45 pointless questions to muddy the waters with.

I agree it's a bit of a joke...It's clear the Club are adopting a "Give us your money and mind your own business" type of approach and fair enough. At the end of the day if they deliver some success whio cares... However if they seriously want to grow the fan base and the revenue, then perhaps they ought to be sharing something of their vision for the future...

That for me is where we let them off the hook.... Is there a timeline for the East Stand development is a good question, but in isolation, it really doesn't enable us to extract what information might be available.... "OK so there isn't a clear timescale or plans for the East, but what does your vision for the stadium look like, what do you think would be an ideal capacity to meet with your ambitions for the club" etc.. etc..

As you say it's all bullshit anyway, but I just think the pathetic questions (questions for questions sake really) just make the whole thing a bit of a pantomime.
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And a bit more on this one….
 
Martonmosser said:
Bit of sniping on this post…..
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That's not sniping, it's making some valid observations about the nature of the questions that were being asked....

Do you think that we should be using an opportunity to meet the board to discuss Pigeon Shit and Vegan Options at the Snack Bar or do you think it might be more appropriate to try and make better use of the opportunity?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That's not sniping, it's making some valid observations about the nature of the questions that were being asked....

Do you think that we should be using an opportunity to meet the board to discuss Pigeon Shit and Vegan Options at the Snack Bar or do you think it might be more appropriate to try and make better use of the opportunity?
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I really couldn’t care less about most of the questions that are asked. In my opinion fans groups and their self importance are totally irrelevant when we have owners as good as we have
 
Martonmosser said:
I really couldn’t care less about most of the questions that are asked. In my opinion fans groups and their self importance are totally irrelevant when we have owners as good as we have
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Whatever we might think about the owners (particularly in this honeymoon period) as Supporters it is us who have the best interests of our Club and Community at heart. It's absolutely fantastic that we are seeing some moderate investment in the Club after all these years and that we now have a new owner who appears to care about the Club and delivering success on the field.

That doesn't men that we can afford to take our eye off the ball and it certainly doesn't mean that Supporters and their input doesn't matter. Yes, these people may have the big bucks and of course, we value their investment, but it's also important to respect the fans and for the fans to feeel like they matter.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Whatever we might think about the owners (particularly in this honeymoon period) as Supporters it is us who have the best interests of our Club and Community at heart. It's absolutely fantastic that we are seeing some moderate investment in the Club after all these years and that we now have a new owner who appears to care about the Club and delivering success on the field.

That doesn't men that we can afford to take our eye off the ball and it certainly doesn't mean that Supporters and their input doesn't matter. Yes, these people may have the big bucks and of course, we value their investment, but it's also important to respect the fans and for the fans to feeel like they matter.
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Moderate investment ?

Don’t the figures show that SS has invested many millions of his personal cash into the club in the space of 2 years aside from the initial purchase price .

Id hardly call that moderate . More like heavy investment IMO
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Whatever we might think about the owners (particularly in this honeymoon period) as Supporters it is us who have the best interests of our Club and Community at heart. It's absolutely fantastic that we are seeing some moderate investment in the Club after all these years and that we now have a new owner who appears to care about the Club and delivering success on the field.

That doesn't men that we can afford to take our eye off the ball and it certainly doesn't mean that Supporters and their input doesn't matter. Yes, these people may have the big bucks and of course, we value their investment, but it's also important to respect the fans and for the fans to feeel like they matter.
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Think you’re giving Simon less credit than he deserves in your first paragraph mate…… how much was it him and his family donated again at Christmas for the kids???
 
AngelBFC said:
Moderate investment ?

Don’t the figures show that SS has invested many millions of his personal cash into the club in the space of 2 years aside from the initial purchase price .

Id hardly call that moderate . More like heavy investment IMO
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Good job he has done Angel…….. if he hadn’t I seriously doubt we would have survived
 
AngelBFC said:
Moderate investment ?

Don’t the figures show that SS has invested many millions of his personal cash into the club in the space of 2 years aside from the initial purchase price .

Id hardly call that moderate . More like heavy investment IMO
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Fair point, I suppose you might call it 'heavy investment' in Blackpool terms... I think in footballing terms it would be pretty fair to call it moderate though.
Martonmosser said:
Think you’re giving Simon less credit than he deserves in your first paragraph mate…… how much was it him and his family donated again at Christmas for the kids???
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A fantastic gesture yes, but I think the general point remains.... .
 
Hmm - I see that well known supporters' group Tangerine Seasiders is still at the nerve centre of club/fan relations 🏝️ 🤨
What happened with the MSG? They were best placed to represent a hefty proportion of the fanbase, particularly at the younger end.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
Well for decades we had some weird fella showing us models of super stadiums with floating pitches, moveable roofs and a whole host of smoke and mirrors…

I much prefer actions than words which is what we have now.
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Yeah actions like...

The training ground ? We will let you know

Repeated at every meeting without fail.

Can kicking at its finest.
 
Tangerine 77 said:
Yeah actions like...

The training ground ? We will let you know

Repeated at every meeting without fail.

Can kicking at its finest.
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What’s the obsession with the training ground anyway ?

It’s not as if the fans use it.

We are doing alright without it anyway.

If SS says he is going to build a training ground his track record so far suggests he will.

If they start giving dates / years as to when it will happen and it doesn’t meet the date for whatever reason then people like you will moan ‘where’s the fecking training ground ‘
 
AngelBFC said:
What’s the obsession with the training ground anyway ?

It’s not as if the fans use it.

We are doing alright without it anyway.

If SS says he is going to build a training ground his track record so far suggests he will.

If they start giving dates / years as to when it will happen and it doesn’t meet the date for whatever reason then people like you will moan ‘where’s the fecking training ground ‘
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His track record?

He has only been here 5 minutes lol.

Of course, things have gone well so far, but the training ground has a fundamental part to play in the long term ambition of the fan, the attraction and development of young players etc… So fans are quite rightly keen to see things progress.

I don’t think having an interest in your club, beyond the immediate result on a Saturday is wrong.
 
Tangerine 77 said:
Yeah actions like...

The training ground ? We will let you know

Repeated at every meeting without fail.

Can kicking at its finest.
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Have we had a nonsense false promise on this because I have perhaps missed it?

I have been told the club are progressing discussions and accept these are probably commercially sensitive - a deal is not done until it is done.

I do recall being told ‘Ian (Holloway) has said Squires Gate is not good enough, and I agree. We will not be returning there’ circa 2010 amongst other nonsense re the training ground.
Comparing Sadler in 2 years and that shower of fuckwits over 20 is comparing apples with oranges.
 
jta8 said:
Valid question no?
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It's not really a valid question to pose at a meeting with the Clubs Directors IMHO.... It's an issue I'd expect the SLO or BST to take up as a routine question for the Club outside of the Structured Dialogue format. I think you have to ask yourself is this question really appropriate for the occasion.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
His track record?

He has only been here 5 minutes lol.

Of course, things have gone well so far, but the training ground has a fundamental part to play in the long term ambition of the fan, the attraction and development of young players etc… So fans are quite rightly keen to see things progress.

I don’t think having an interest in your club, beyond the immediate result on a Saturday is wrong.
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I agree the club needs a training ground but it’s this constant obsession that I find strange .

When’s it happening when’s it happening all the time .

They know we need a new training ground they can’t give a date .

Sadler lost 4 million the other year he’s told us his pockets aren’t deep.

Maybe just maybe he wants the club to get some money in before committing himself to a load more money which he may or may not have or getting the club into debt.

In the meantime Critch seems to be doing perfectly fine developing new young players with the current facilities .
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's not really a valid question to pose at a meeting with the Clubs Directors IMHO.... It's an issue I'd expect the SLO or BST to take up as a routine question for the Club outside of the Structured Dialogue format. I think you have to ask yourself is this question really appropriate for the occasion.
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It's a fair point. Strategic Dialogue should be.... well, strategic.
 
AngelBFC said:
I agree the club needs a training ground but it’s this constant obsession that I find strange .

When’s it happening when’s it happening all the time .

They know we need a new training ground they can’t give a date .

Sadler lost 4 million the other year he’s told us his pockets aren’t deep.

Maybe just maybe he wants the club to get some money in before committing himself to a load more money or getting the club into debt.

In the meantime Critch seems to be doing perfectly fine developing new young players with the current facilities .
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I think people understand the limitations, but there ought to be no good reason why the Club cannot give us some vision of what they are aiming for and whether or not progress is being made.

I know it may sound harsh, but I really couldn't give a shit about Sadlers losses... If he felt he didn't have deep enough pockets to do the job properly, then I'd argue he should have let someone else buy the club.... So not interested in those kind of excuses and I'm hoping that we won't be held back.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think people understand the limitations, but there ought to be no good reason why the Club cannot give us some vision of what they are aiming for and whether or not progress is being made.

I know it may sound harsh, but I really couldn't give a shit about Sadlers losses... If he felt he didn't have deep enough pockets to do the job properly, then I'd argue he should have let someone else buy the club.... So not interested in those kind of excuses and I'm hoping that we won't be held back.
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This has to be the most ridiculous post I’ve ever read . Oystonite written all over.

He hasn’t made any excuses .

He has said he will build a new training ground .

He is doing the job properly you daft twunt.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think people understand the limitations, but there ought to be no good reason why the Club cannot give us some vision of what they are aiming for and whether or not progress is being made.

I know it may sound harsh, but I really couldn't give a shit about Sadlers losses... If he felt he didn't have deep enough pockets to do the job properly, then I'd argue he should have let someone else buy the club.... So not interested in those kind of excuses and I'm hoping that we won't be held back.
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To be fair, that is someone else's words, not Sadler's. He has said he hasn't got bottomless pockets, but that isn't the same thing. And your second paragraph is just bullshit, no offence.
 
AngelBFC said:
Ridiculous .

He is doing the job properly you daft twunt
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There's no need to get abusive... I'm not really sure what "Doing the job properly" means TBH, but as I said, there were a number of willing investors and so if he didn't feel like he had enough money (which I'm sure he didn't and that it is really just you making up daft excuses on his behalf) then he should have let someone else buy the club.

As it is, we need a new training ground and the sooner the Club get on and sort it the better..
 
coppiceman said:
To be fair, that is someone else's words, not Sadler's. He has said he hasn't got bottomless pockets, but that isn't the same thing. And your second paragraph is just bullshit, no offence.
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It was someone elses words I was responding to... I was challenging the argument and not Sadler himself...
 
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