Structured Dialogue Minutes here....

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There's no need to get abusive... I'm not really sure what "Doing the job properly" means TBH, but as I said, there were a number of willing investors and so if he didn't feel like he had enough money (which I'm sure he didn't and that it is really just you making up daft excuses on his behalf) then he should have let someone else buy the club.

As it is, we need a new training ground and the sooner the Club get on and sort it the better..
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If you read my post you will see that I haven’t said that he hasn’t got enough money .

Im simply suggesting that before committing to a multi million project with a specific completion date SS might want the club to get some money in first which is an entirely reasonable thing to do.

I have absolutely no idea what the position or how much money SS has but what I do know is that if a deal involves a commercial land sale and a buyer is under pressure to complete by a certain date the price tends to go up.
 
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AngelBFC said:
If you read my post you will see that I haven’t said that he hasn’t got enough money .

Im simply suggesting that before committing to a multi million project with a specific completion date SS might want the club to get some money in first which is an entirely reasonable thing to do.

I have absolutely no idea what the position is but what I do know is that if a deal involves a land sale and a buyer is under pressure to complete by a certain date the price tends to go up.
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Well, I think it's fair to assume that if Sadler has decided to outbid the other interested parties in order to buy the Club, that he accepts the responsibilities that go along with that decsion. I really don't think that he would have gone into this with his eyes closed and without knowing full well that signifcant spending and development was required.

The training ground has been an issue for our club for a considerable time and there will also be costs associated with bridging the gap whilst we do not have the required facilities to meet our needs.

You seem to have a problem with Blackpool supporters wanting to know what progress is being made with a training ground and I'm not sure why that is. I just think that it is normal for supporters to show an interest and / or even been somewhat obsessed with that kind of thing and that is something that the Owners and Directors will likely appreciate and will hopefully try to address when they can. I'm not sure we need to manufacture pretend excuses on their behalf though TBH.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I can't take it seriously while BSA are still involved to be honest.
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I understand the upset that a few caused with the Os from BSA but it's only fair they are involved as a group, because in the bigger picture they've been an asset to Blackpool football club and have done things to improve its standing and honour its past.

I remember the debate on the purchase of the stadium signs when really the Os should have paid for it,but it's a fitting tribute to all the fans of the club who took pride in it when those ham shankers couldn't be bothered.

Just saying.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Well, I think it's fair to assume that if Sadler has decided to outbid the other interested parties in order to buy the Club, that he accepts the responsibilities that go along with that decsion. I really don't think that he would have gone into this with his eyes closed and without knowing full well that signifcant spending and development was required.

The training ground has been an issue for our club for a considerable time and there will also be costs associated with bridging the gap whilst we do not have the required facilities to meet our needs.

You seem to have a problem with Blackpool supporters wanting to know what progress is being made with a training ground and I'm not sure why that is. I just think that it is normal for supporters to show an interest and / or even been somewhat obsessed with that kind of thing and that is something that the Owners and Directors will likely appreciate and will hopefully try to address when they can. I'm not sure we need to manufacture pretend excuses on their behalf though TBH.
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A sensible post from you at last
 
Plumbs said:
I understand the upset that a few caused with the Os from BSA but it's only fair they are involved as a group, because in the bigger picture they've been an asset to Blackpool football club and have done things to improve its standing and honour its past.

I remember the debate on the purchase of the stadium signs when really the Os should have paid for it,but it's a fitting tribute to all the fans of the club who took pride in it when those ham shakers couldn't be bothered.

Just saying.
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Will never be forgiven I'm afraid as they didn't boycott so we move on together as fans but as an organisation they can get to fuck.
 
AngelBFC said:
If you read my post you will see that I haven’t said that he hasn’t got enough money .

Im simply suggesting that before committing to a multi million project with a specific completion date SS might want the club to get some money in first which is an entirely reasonable thing to do.

I have absolutely no idea what the position or how much money SS has but what I do know is that if a deal involves a commercial land sale and a buyer is under pressure to complete by a certain date the price tends to go up.
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Good post and this is the optimum time to sell that land if that is deemed the thing to do, and maybe look at other options if they are viable.
Over the years the club have used other facilities and there might just be an option with Fleetwood, because from a location perspective its always been in an awkward spot.
A season in the PL would solve the problem anyway given the incoming loot,but certainly redeveloping the training ground cant be that much of a priority?
 
poolseasider said:
Will never be forgiven I'm afraid as they didn't boycott so we move on together as fans but as an organisation they can get to fuck.
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Aye ok but they weren't the only ones were they? When the legal letters were flying around to fans (which included me btw) there were others who still attended, using the excuse that it was because there was no investment coming into the club anymore.
 
Plumbs said:
I understand the upset that a few caused with the Os from BSA but it's only fair they are involved as a group, because in the bigger picture they've been an asset to Blackpool football club and have done things to improve its standing and honour its past.

I remember the debate on the purchase of the stadium signs when really the Os should have paid for it,but it's a fitting tribute to all the fans of the club who took pride in it when those ham shankers couldn't be bothered.

Just saying.
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Fair points Plumbs.
 
Plumbs said:
Aye ok but they weren't the only ones were they? When the legal letters were flying around to fans (which included me btw) there were others who still attended, using the excuse that it was because there was no investment coming into the club anymore.
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The same sentiment applies to those who attended during the boycott.

BSA did some good things but it's all overshadowed by their endorsement of the Oystons until very very late in the day, they ponced about as the 'OFFICIAL' supporters group despite the mandate being about 200 people when the original dropping the independence vote took place.

As the OFFICIAL group they massively let the support down.

I understand why they're involved as they still have some form of membership and the new owner wants to move on, but as far as I'm concerned a meeting with them involved is null and void, but that's just a personal opinion.

I'll never have any time for committees or meetings, even though I still need to run them at work when I literally can't avoid it, nothing ever gets decided, nothing ever gets resolved, it only takes a couple of people with an agenda and you've lost it.

The oldest trick in the book is for the establishment to make any dissenters part of that establishment while massaging their egos, which is precisely what happened with BSA. I'm not suggesting that the Structured Dialogue Meeting is designed for this purpose and I truly believe that Sadler's aims are the same as ours, but the danger is always there, I'd rather the owners just get on with it.

I'm not saying I'm right, its just always been my gut feeling and I wouldn't knock anyone being involved, except BSA, they can fuck off.
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
The same sentiment applies to those who attended during the boycott.

BSA did some good things but it's all overshadowed by their endorsement of the Oystons until very very late in the day, they ponced about as the 'OFFICIAL' supporters group despite the mandate being about 200 people when the original dropping the independence vote took place.

As the OFFICIAL group they massively let the support down.

I understand why they're involved as they still have some form of membership and the new owner wants to move on, but as far as I'm concerned a meeting with them involved is null and void, but that's just a personal opinion.

I'll never have any time for committees or meetings, even though I still need to run them at work when I literally can't avoid it, nothing ever gets decided, nothing ever gets resolved, it only takes a couple of people with an agenda and you've lost it.

The oldest trick in the book is for the establishment to make any dissenters part of that establishment while massaging their egos, which is precisely what happened with BSA. I'm not suggesting that the Structured Dialogue Meeting is designed for this purpose and I truly believe that Sadler's aims are the same as ours, but the danger is always there, I'd rather the owners just get on with it.
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RossendaleSeasider said:
Re your questions, I can confirm that Rossendale Seasider is looking into all outcomes pertaining to answering them. However, at this stage, I am afraid I cannot commit to either agreeing or disagreeing with them, and do not wish to be held to a time frame as to when this may change. Going forward, if this changes, I can assure you that Rossendale Seasider will of course consider your proposals, and whether or not he may agree or disagree with them
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If I'm being honest here, I think It's pretty disappointing the way we just glibly dismiss the fans groups that were so vital in removing the Oystons and getting us to where we are right now. I'm also pretty shocked at the naivety of our fans concerning the need for solid supporter representation to continue to hold the Club to account.

Obviously it's absolutely fantastic that we have new owners and things are currently going fine... Though there are some potential issues that might need to be addressed (In particular Ticket pricing, which probably doesn't appear to have given a great deal of consideration to the local economic circumstances at all)....Things can, however, go wrong and they can go dramatically wrong very quickly...

Similar to Lytham I'm not really a great fan of meetings and committes and all the shyte that goes with it.... As is clear the bollocks that goes on in these structured dialogue meetings infuriates me... How the fuck anyone can be bothered wasting a night talking about half of the shit in that meeting amazes me, but people do and I suppose you have to respect that.

Likewise, I think we do need to also have some respect for those who do give up their time and considerable effort to ensure we have proper fans representation... It is easy to take the piss, but we need to keep these organisations ticking over (even when the going is good), because the Club is ultimately about the owners interests, not the fans...and like it or not, good owners or bad, those interests will conflict to a certain degree.
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
The same sentiment applies to those who attended during the boycott.
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I understand that but when the boycott start because that seems to be the contentious part? It seemed to me that the O's were taking money from the club long before PL promotion, and many were quite happy with that whilst the Travelodge was being built,the Ormerod transfer money was 'lost' where even Steve McMahon had enough given he wanted to move to the next level.
My own personal interest was my friendship with the guy who worked as the architect for Wyndyke Farm , who has sadly died and claimed he hadnt been paid a penny for several years.
Lytham_fy8 said:
The oldest trick in the book is for the establishment to make any dissenters part of that establishment while massaging their egos, which is precisely what happened with BSA. I'm not suggesting that the Structured Dialogue Meeting is designed for this purpose and I truly believe that Sadler's aims are the same as ours, but the danger is always there, I'd rather the owners just get on with it.

I'm not saying I'm right, its just always been my gut feeling and I wouldn't knock anyone being involved, except BSA, they can fuck off.
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Yup me too.Been there as a fans rep and apart from being a thankless task its difficult to steer when problems with the owners arise. The O's sucked many of you in the Riga revolution and also made sure that Ian Holloway left with questions on his integrity, not withstanding the huge support for their tenure for many years until the bitter end;especially on here when dissenters (as you say) were simply banned.

If you want to talk about egos being massaged then you might include the decision to stick PL away tickets on the 5 year season ticket threshold, because that too gave them a base to carry out the removal of even more money.

Not having a go at anyone but singling out the rank and file of BSA does seem unfair given that others really should be under the microscope too, and simply continues the divide which the O's would laugh at and hope it stops the club from moving forward.
 
Plumbs said:
I understand that but when the boycott start because that seems to be the contentious part? It seemed to me that the O's were taking money from the club long before PL promotion, and many were quite happy with that whilst the Travelodge was being built,the Ormerod transfer money was 'lost' where even Steve McMahon had enough given he wanted to move to the next level.
My own personal interest was my friendship with the guy who worked as the architect for Wyndyke Farm , who has sadly died and claimed he hadnt been paid a penny for several years.

Yup me too.Been there as a fans rep and apart from being a thankless task its difficult to steer when problems with the owners arise. The O's sucked many of you in the Riga revolution and also made sure that Ian Holloway left with questions on his integrity, not withstanding the huge support for their tenure for many years until the bitter end;especially on here when dissenters (as you say) were simply banned.

If you want to talk about egos being massaged then you might include the decision to stick PL away tickets on the 5 year season ticket threshold, because that too gave them a base to carry out the removal of even more money.

Not having a go at anyone but singling out the rank and file of BSA does seem unfair given that others really should be under the microscope too, and simply continues the divide which the O's would laugh at and hope it stops the club from moving forward.
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Aye, again, good points and I'm aware that I'm probably bang out of order on this one.

Oh and I also know that this is a cop out, not getting involved and just criticising from afar makes me look like a wanker.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's not really a valid question to pose at a meeting with the Clubs Directors IMHO.... It's an issue I'd expect the SLO or BST to take up as a routine question for the Club outside of the Structured Dialogue format. I think you have to ask yourself is this question really appropriate for the occasion.
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It took up about 30 seconds of time and is a valid concern for an increasing number of supporters. Don’t see the harm in the topic being raised.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Incredible... It's your big moment, we've been building up to this meeting for ages, you have the Club's board of Directors in front of you....Lights, Camera Action....

[Mr Bean Like Voice Pipes up]


"Errr will there be a vegan option in the Kiosks"

Only in ** Blackpool 😂
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It’s a fair question - I don’t buy food as it’s -
a) rubbish
B) isn’t what I like or want &
C) like Wembley, totally over priced ~ there should be profit limits an this stuff

You can stick your meat pies in the away - proper food please
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Aye, again, good points and I'm aware that I'm probably bang out of order on this one.

Oh and I also know that this is a cop out, not getting involved and just criticising from afar makes me look like a wanker.
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Not like we didn't know that already. I'm with you on your points though. And most will say on the wanker part too.
 
jta8 said:
It took up about 30 seconds of time and is a valid concern for an increasing number of supporters. Don’t see the harm in the topic being raised.
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Along with the other 30+ pointless questions, it detracts from important issues. I’m not wasting any more time discussing it… If you think it’s appropriate to raise questions like that in a limited time meeting with the club directors, then fair enough….
 
Camberwell1 said:
It’s a fair question - I don’t buy food as it’s -
a) rubbish
B) isn’t what I like or want &
C) like Wembley, totally over priced ~ there should be profit limits an this stuff

You can stick your meat pies in the away - proper food please
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It’s a fair question yes, but it could be asked at any time in a different format, because.

a) It relates only to a very small number of people
b) It is of extremely limited consequence &
c) There are better things to ask the CEO of a football club

At the end of the day it’s a football match in any case, with a limited window to try and serve refreshments and food to thousands.

It’s difficult to do that to anything other than a relatively basic standard. As far as cost is concerned, it isn’t like Wembley at all, that’s just a blatant lie.
 
Camberwell1 said:
It’s a fair question - I don’t buy food as it’s -
a) rubbish
B) isn’t what I like or want &
C) like Wembley, totally over priced ~ there should be profit limits an this stuff

You can stick your meat pies in the away - proper food please
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Absolute nonsense...

Its a football match not a Michelin star restaurant

As for the pies they are freshly made locally and a lot better than the rubbish served up at most places

Oh and Wembley prices are about 300% higher

You don't half post some shite ...
 
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Probably the only consumption question I would ask is…
Is it cost effective to install rapid/bottom fill pint pumps….as this would lead to less waiting time and hugely increasing sales.
Ideas/suggestions have a greater chance of being implemented if a financial gain can be made…..maybe the initial cost is prohibitive….
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Absolute nonsense...

Its a football match not a Michelin star restaurant

As for the pies they are freshly made locally and a lot better than the rubbish served up at most places

Oh and Wembley prices are about 300% higher

You don't half post some shite ...
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Well thanks for that Phil
We all seem to feast on your ‘I’m never wrong’ interesting posts ‘listen to me’. Well I do, and it’s like McDougall’s fast food - irritating and nutritionally poor

wishing you a nice day though whatever u are scoffing
Cambers the Organic, Vegan Spokesperson for AVFTT
 
Camberwell1 said:
It’s a fair question - I don’t buy food as it’s -
a) rubbish
B) isn’t what I like or want &
C) like Wembley, totally over priced ~ there should be profit limits an this stuff

You can stick your meat pies in the away - proper food please
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Try the cheese and onion instead. You might be surprised.
 
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