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Quite enjoyed the setup. Thought he came across quite well tbh, clearly a sharp and intelligent politician and seems to know what he stands for.

Got quite heated with that bloke...


As for not knowing what their party stands for, this is embarrassing from a Labour MP.

 
This from a reader in the Guardian comments section:

So, have I got this right about this GBNews channel? The Tories can freely use it to have months of regular self-publicity in the run-up to a general election. Tory MPs are also allowed to interview other Tory MPs about what a damned fine job they’re doing, and agree with each other that it would be terrible if Labour gets into power. And they get away with this by getting the so-called regulator (OFCOM) to declare that this channel with the word “news” in its name is not really a news channel.
 
And this from the Guardian's sketch writer, John Crace:

I suppose it was almost inevitable. Nearly every Conservative MP has their own show on GB News, so it was only a matter of time before it was Rishi Sunak’s turn. The prime minister is going to have a free diary after the next election. Perhaps he could do a weekly phone-in show from California. Though the £100,000 he might get for it probably won’t be nearly enough to make ends meet. He paid five times more than that in tax last year.

For Rishi’s Big Break on GB News, we got an hour-long Q&A on the People’s Forum – a lucky audience of undecided voters selected by the polling company Survation.

“Rishi here,” he gurned in trailers screened throughout the day. “Ask me anything.” Though hopefully not about tax. Sunak didn’t seem that keen to explain why he paid a lower tax rate than most of the rest of the country.

On the GB News message board, the first questions started rolling in. “Hedgehog” wanted to know why the Muslims got a special vote in elections. It’s possible Hedgehog hadn’t quite understood what commentators meant when they talked of the Muslim vote. Ray Sellars reckoned there should be daily flights of illegal immigrants to the Falklands. Somehow I didn’t think that question would get selected either.

Presenter Stephen Dixon opened the show with a brief welcome and then handed over to Rish!, who proceeded to make his opening remarks with his back to the camera. Not the greatest 60 seconds of television.

It’s been a tough few years, Sunak began. Covid. Ukraine. Curiously he didn’t also think to mention Brexit or the Liz Truss budget. Or 14 years of Conservative incompetence. Sunak is getting very forgetful these days.

Rish! then moved on to his five priorities. Sorry, your priorities. Yet again, he has merely been doing us all a favour. Mumble, mumble, mumble. So as we could all see – well, we might have done if we had been able to hear properly – he was actually delivering on all five of his priorities.

Everything was working perfectly. We had never had it so good. “I can offer change,” he concluded. Let’s run through this again. You can offer change from yourself and your government. That’s very big of you.

On to the first question. David from Darlington. Tell us one thing of any substance you’ve actually done. Rish! bounced into life. He had been to Darlington. Once. Never again. But he loved the north. That’s why he had levelled it up. Teesside was going brilliantly. Apart from the reports that said there were financial concerns. He finished off by lying about freeports.

Next. Alex from London. Why was the NHS falling apart? Sunak wiped away an imaginary tear. He came from an NHS family, which was why he was determined never to use the NHS again.

The doctors were all a bunch of greedy bastards who didn’t know a good deal when they were offered it. The Tories had given the NHS record funding. Though they do seem to have gone quiet on the imaginary 40 new hospitals they had promised to build.

Keith from Edinburgh wanted to know what was happening with social care. So too did Rishi. He suggested it was a problem for local government. Nothing to do with him. On to Linda from Middleton. Why was he so adamant about Rwanda? Everyone knew it wasn’t going to work.

Now Rish! got all down with the people. Keepin’ it real for GB News. He started dropping his consonants and introducing glottal stops into his sentences. “Stoppin’ the li-ull boats.” Rishi. The Millionaire of the People. The authen-ic voice of yoof. It was sad. Pathetic even. Tryin desperately to fi’ in.

Then he had nothing to say. Other than Rwanda would be a deterrent. He didn’t seem to grasp the difference between sending Albanians to Albania and Afghan refugees to Rwanda. He even tried to blame Labour for stopping him. This is a man who takes no responsibility for his own legislation failing to comply with international law.

There was a brief interruption from John who was furious about the Covid vaccine compensation scheme. “Look me in the eye, Rishi Sunak,” he barked. If it was all the same, Rish! would rather not. He’s not a man who handles confrontation well.

Jake from York wondered what Sunak could offer disillusioned Tory voters like him to stop him voting Reform. It was at this point we realised that the undecided voters were not primarily those torn between Tory and Labour. This was a GB News audience after all.

Robin wanted to know what the Conservatives could offer people who were LGBT. Rish! looked horrified. Why should he offer them anything? He was fed up with being inclusive. Hell, what was the country coming to these days. You couldn’t even make a trans joke in front of the mother of a murdered trans teenager without the Labour thought police being on your case.

Housebuilding was on the mind of 19-year-old Josh from Shrewsbury. There was nowhere to live. Rish! flicked the switch marked empathy. He felt Josh’s pain. He wanted Josh to be able to buy a house like he had. All it would take was for Josh to make his first million as a hedge fund manager for Goldman Sachs betting against sterling. That was the patriotic thing to do. Josh looked understandably deflated. He got the message. He was never going to have his own home.

And that was just about it. An hour that had passed quite quickly. If totally pointlessly. Because we hadn’t learned any more about Rish! than we already knew. That he’s just not very good at this sort of thing. He can’t connect with people. He lives in a parallel world to the rest of us.

Whatever the questions, he gives the same boilerplate answers. He doesn’t believe what he’s saying, so why should we? He’s merely going through the motions. Someone should have a word. For his sanity as well as ours. It’s going to be a long eight months. Not all of us are going to get out of it alive.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And this from the Guardian's sketch writer, John Crace:

I suppose it was almost inevitable. Nearly every Conservative MP has their own show on GB News, so it was only a matter of time before it was Rishi Sunak’s turn. The prime minister is going to have a free diary after the next election. Perhaps he could do a weekly phone-in show from California. Though the £100,000 he might get for it probably won’t be nearly enough to make ends meet. He paid five times more than that in tax last year.

For Rishi’s Big Break on GB News, we got an hour-long Q&A on the People’s Forum – a lucky audience of undecided voters selected by the polling company Survation.

“Rishi here,” he gurned in trailers screened throughout the day. “Ask me anything.” Though hopefully not about tax. Sunak didn’t seem that keen to explain why he paid a lower tax rate than most of the rest of the country.

On the GB News message board, the first questions started rolling in. “Hedgehog” wanted to know why the Muslims got a special vote in elections. It’s possible Hedgehog hadn’t quite understood what commentators meant when they talked of the Muslim vote. Ray Sellars reckoned there should be daily flights of illegal immigrants to the Falklands. Somehow I didn’t think that question would get selected either.

Presenter Stephen Dixon opened the show with a brief welcome and then handed over to Rish!, who proceeded to make his opening remarks with his back to the camera. Not the greatest 60 seconds of television.

It’s been a tough few years, Sunak began. Covid. Ukraine. Curiously he didn’t also think to mention Brexit or the Liz Truss budget. Or 14 years of Conservative incompetence. Sunak is getting very forgetful these days.

Rish! then moved on to his five priorities. Sorry, your priorities. Yet again, he has merely been doing us all a favour. Mumble, mumble, mumble. So as we could all see – well, we might have done if we had been able to hear properly – he was actually delivering on all five of his priorities.

Everything was working perfectly. We had never had it so good. “I can offer change,” he concluded. Let’s run through this again. You can offer change from yourself and your government. That’s very big of you.

On to the first question. David from Darlington. Tell us one thing of any substance you’ve actually done. Rish! bounced into life. He had been to Darlington. Once. Never again. But he loved the north. That’s why he had levelled it up. Teesside was going brilliantly. Apart from the reports that said there were financial concerns. He finished off by lying about freeports.

Next. Alex from London. Why was the NHS falling apart? Sunak wiped away an imaginary tear. He came from an NHS family, which was why he was determined never to use the NHS again.

The doctors were all a bunch of greedy bastards who didn’t know a good deal when they were offered it. The Tories had given the NHS record funding. Though they do seem to have gone quiet on the imaginary 40 new hospitals they had promised to build.

Keith from Edinburgh wanted to know what was happening with social care. So too did Rishi. He suggested it was a problem for local government. Nothing to do with him. On to Linda from Middleton. Why was he so adamant about Rwanda? Everyone knew it wasn’t going to work.

Now Rish! got all down with the people. Keepin’ it real for GB News. He started dropping his consonants and introducing glottal stops into his sentences. “Stoppin’ the li-ull boats.” Rishi. The Millionaire of the People. The authen-ic voice of yoof. It was sad. Pathetic even. Tryin desperately to fi’ in.

Then he had nothing to say. Other than Rwanda would be a deterrent. He didn’t seem to grasp the difference between sending Albanians to Albania and Afghan refugees to Rwanda. He even tried to blame Labour for stopping him. This is a man who takes no responsibility for his own legislation failing to comply with international law.

There was a brief interruption from John who was furious about the Covid vaccine compensation scheme. “Look me in the eye, Rishi Sunak,” he barked. If it was all the same, Rish! would rather not. He’s not a man who handles confrontation well.

Jake from York wondered what Sunak could offer disillusioned Tory voters like him to stop him voting Reform. It was at this point we realised that the undecided voters were not primarily those torn between Tory and Labour. This was a GB News audience after all.

Robin wanted to know what the Conservatives could offer people who were LGBT. Rish! looked horrified. Why should he offer them anything? He was fed up with being inclusive. Hell, what was the country coming to these days. You couldn’t even make a trans joke in front of the mother of a murdered trans teenager without the Labour thought police being on your case.

Housebuilding was on the mind of 19-year-old Josh from Shrewsbury. There was nowhere to live. Rish! flicked the switch marked empathy. He felt Josh’s pain. He wanted Josh to be able to buy a house like he had. All it would take was for Josh to make his first million as a hedge fund manager for Goldman Sachs betting against sterling. That was the patriotic thing to do. Josh looked understandably deflated. He got the message. He was never going to have his own home.

And that was just about it. An hour that had passed quite quickly. If totally pointlessly. Because we hadn’t learned any more about Rish! than we already knew. That he’s just not very good at this sort of thing. He can’t connect with people. He lives in a parallel world to the rest of us.

Whatever the questions, he gives the same boilerplate answers. He doesn’t believe what he’s saying, so why should we? He’s merely going through the motions. Someone should have a word. For his sanity as well as ours. It’s going to be a long eight months. Not all of us are going to get out of it alive.
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A typical wet lettuce response from the guardian and from you, no surprise. They have Labour people on and are invited on but many won't go on, so who's fault it is that.

It was interesting to hear what he had to say. Some stock answers and waffling but some genuine things and some made sense.

They've invited Starmer on to do the same, so chill.
 
The Catcher in the Rye said:
I quite like GB News and I’ve never drank from the toilet. I use a cup☕️
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What's interesting is you get the usual crowd who bash the Tories are never likely to to change their mind, Labour lifers, fully entrenched who bash threads like this.

Whereas I've actually voted Labour, Tories, Ukip, probably Reform next.

I might actually consider Labour a lot more if they stopped being ridiculous and went back to what Labour used to be.

So this thread and infact Sunak’s debate wasn't to affect the people who are never likely to change their mind, it was for people who might genuinely consider their position.

I don't approach Sunak with any hate, so to watch it to me he is a skilled operator.

Maybe I've just seen too much slow Joe Biden.

But I will watch the Starmer one with the same open mind, if he dares to do it... but he's not as impressive a speaker.
 
JJpool said:
What's interesting is you get the usual crowd who bash the Tories are never likely to to change their mind, Labour lifers, fully entrenched who bash threads like this.
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Assuming that's pointed at me, I can confirm I've also voted for a range of parties as well. Forget what 'Labour used to be like' what matters is what have the Tories done and not done and by any measurement their tenure has been abysmal.
 
Macseasider said:
So your voting says you are a Tory unless they are really bad.
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Not really no, never had any real feeling to go that way before brexit, which did change the landscape and I have no real love for them now.

But now the country is in a bad shape and I can't see captain flip-flop and his merry band fixing it. They don't even know what they stand for FFS.

Need to get tough on crime and stop people taking the piss and playing the system, some with terrible consequences as shown with that alkaline attacker.
 
OneStepBeyond said:
Assuming that's pointed at me, I can confirm I've also voted for a range of parties. Forget what 'Labour used to be like' what matters is what have the Tories done and not done and by any measurement their tenure has been abysmal.
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Why would that be at you, I replied to someone else.

They have had a tough hand, brexit, no-one would come out of covid well, the following cost of living.

But they have messed up and probably had their chance, probably do deserve to lose. I'm not convinced Starmer is any good though.
 
JJpool said:
Why would that be at you, I replied to someone else.

They have had a tough hand, brexit, no-one would come out of covid well, the following cost of living.

But they have messed up and probably had their chance, probably do deserve to lose. I'm not convinced Starmer is any good though.
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JJ calm down. It doesn't matter what you think. The people will soon decide. And then you can properly weigh into PM Starmer.
 
Genuine post. Why was the Tory Leader allowed an hour long TV prograamme to spread his agenda? I Ithought there were supposed to be rules balancing the parties TV time?

I understand the audience was selected, and paid their expenses to be there. Did that include an element not related to actual travel expenses? It is important that Political programmes from any party are transparent.
 
Macseasider said:
JJ calm down. It doesn't matter what you think. The people will soon decide. And then you can properly weigh into PM Starmer.
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Who said I'm not calm?

If its him he'll get a chance to see what he does.

People will weigh into him anyway, you've only got to look at the Blackpool Labour council, many people absolutely slate them who would vote Labour. I've always tried to see the positives of what they're trying to do.
 
JJpool said:
What's interesting is you get the usual crowd who bash the Tories are never likely to to change their mind, Labour lifers, fully entrenched who bash threads like this.

Whereas I've actually voted Labour, Tories, Ukip, probably Reform next.

I might actually consider Labour a lot more if they stopped being ridiculous and went back to what Labour used to be.

So this thread and infact Sunak’s debate wasn't to affect the people who are never likely to change their mind, it was for people who might genuinely consider their position.

I don't approach Sunak with any hate, so to watch it to me he is a skilled operator.

Maybe I've just seen too much slow Joe Biden.

But I will watch the Starmer one with the same open mind, if he dares to do it... but he's not as impressive a speaker.
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Oh come on JJ...Sunak an impressive speaker? He quotes directly from the crib sheets he's been given. If you want good Tory speakers then look to Churchill, MacMillan, Iain McLeod, Powell (not the racist stuff), Thatcher (no humour unfortunately), Heseltine and Howe. Johnson imagines himself as a great orator but he isn't. Alongside these Sunak is both physically and metaphorically a midget.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Oh come on JJ...Sunak an impressive speaker? He quotes directly from the crib sheets he's been given. If you want good Tory speakers then look to Churchill, MacMillan, Iain McLeod, Powell (not the racist stuff), Thatcher (no humour unfortunately), Heseltine and Howe. Johnson imagines himself as a great orator but he isn't. Alongside these Sunak is both physically and metaphorically a midget.
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He came across pretty well in that and controlled the debate.

Starmer seems an intelligent bloke, doesn't come across quite as easy to listen to, another one in the Labour party with a blocked nose.
 
JJpool said:
He came across pretty well in that and controlled the debate.

Starmer seems an intelligent bloke, doesn't come across quite as easy to listen to, another one in the Labour party with a blocked nose.
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I’ll admit I know little about the Reform party. Which of their policies resonate with you most?
 
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JJpool said:
He came across pretty well in that and controlled the debate.

Starmer seems an intelligent bloke, doesn't come across quite as easy to listen to, another one in the Labour party with a blocked nose.
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Yes, you're right, Starmer doesn't get the blood pumping. He's not a Bevan, Foot, Benn or Blair. But the country needs rid of the Tories at the moment. I'm sorry JJ but they do need a time out. If there are one-nation Tories out there then no, I wouldn't support them personally. But God's teeth, they've got to be better than this shower of shit.
 
Chunkylad said:
I’ll admit I know little about the Reform party. Which of their policies resonate with you most?
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Proportional representation voting will chnage the country forever and create TRUE democracy where every vote counts, regardless of if you're in a safe seat, so in reality may as well not bother voting.

Plus other common sense issues, tough on immigration and blatant poss taking, tough on crime etc.
 
JJpool said:
Proportional representation voting will chnage the country forever and create TRUE democracy where every vote counts, regardless of if you're in a safe seat, so in reality may as well not bother voting.

Plus other common sense issues.
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I like PR and was gutted that the country didn’t take that up when it had the chance.

My Spanish friend explained that recently a small party (Basque) with only 9 MPs (sic) held the balance and as a result got some real results for their region before agreeing with the minority government
 
1966_and_all_that said:
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Yes, you're right, Starmer doesn't get the blood pumping. He's not a Bevan, Foot, Benn or Blair. But the country needs rid of the Tories at the moment. I'm sorry JJ but they do need a time out. If there are one-nation Tories out there then no, I wouldn't support them personally. But God's teeth, they've got to be better than this shower of shit.
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I've said they do deserve to go, I'm just worried about what comes next. If under a government on the right struggle to get things through and get any sort of control, then what will the country look like under a man who dare not define a woman, u turns on everything and always wants more, more lockdowns at the time, more uncontrolled immigration at a pace where integration isn't happening. Also one of his MP's had no idea what they actually stand for.

If that was the Tories people would be tearing them a new one.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Genuine post. Why was the Tory Leader allowed an hour long TV prograamme to spread his agenda? I Ithought there were supposed to be rules balancing the parties TV time?
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They couldn't give Stoma an hour, if they did everyone including Starmer himself would be too confused by all the u-turns he made in that hour
 
April13th1970 said:
They couldn't give Stoma an hour, if they did everyone including Starmer himself would be too confused by all the u-turns he made in that hour
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Great political reply, but doesn't answer the question. In the week of by-elections, the Tory leader gets an hour's Party Political Broadcast, that is against the rules. The fact that so few watched it is irrelevant.

Re the U turns, yeh, right, don't believe all the Tory Hype. The biggest change is the £28B for energy greening, forced because when they were finally allowed to see the books and forecasts, the money wasn't there. Now, many of us would argue they should get on and get it done, but their adherance to supposed fiscal rules, doesn't allow it.

Remind me again how many Prime Minister, Home Secretaries, Immigration Ministers, Chancellors the Tories had last year. Talk about U turns, Z turns, more like the Hokey Cokey.
 
He certainly knows what it's about.
His Missus earned £671 Million recently on her shares in Indian businesses.
He's no pauper either.
 
JJpool said:
Proportional representation voting will chnage the country forever and create TRUE democracy where every vote counts, regardless of if you're in a safe seat, so in reality may as well not bother voting.

Plus other common sense issues, tough on immigration and blatant poss taking, tough on crime etc.
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Reform is UKIP rebranded. Their plan is to go up against every Tory candidate. So a vote for Reform is music to all the other parties ears.
 
Davepick said:
He certainly knows what it's about.
His Missus earned £671 Million recently on her shares in Indian businesses.
He's no pauper either.
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'Tory trade minister Dominic Johnson reportedly held a meeting at Infosys’s offices in Bengaluru in India on April 27 2023, with a readout saying he “made clear that he was keen to see a bigger Infosys presence in the UK and would be happy to do what he could to facilitate that”.

Coincidence eh?
 
JJpool said:
Quite enjoyed the setup. Thought he came across quite well tbh, clearly a sharp and intelligent politician and seems to know what he stands for.

Got quite heated with that bloke...


As for not knowing what their party stands for, this is embarrassing from a Labour MP.

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3,000 viewers on you tube and 153,000 streaming. Average age of viewer 65. The deluded talking to themselves.
 
Macseasider said:
Reform is UKIP rebranded. Their plan is to go up against every Tory candidate. So a vote for Reform is music to all the other parties ears.
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Not quite but some similarities, bigger appeal, more broad party, not a one issue, even though they had some interesting policies.

It is what it is, if you're in a safe seat then may as well go with your principals.

If everyone did that we might get real change for once...

Nah, let's just vote Labour or tories because, "I always have"... many do that, then moan nothing changes.
 
refoam at the mouth party. richard lice or maybe tice but not really nice. wouldnt think twice about not voting for tice . wouldnt give them a throw of the dice because these gammon heads and mr tice are really not very nice.
 
Macseasider said:
Reform is UKIP rebranded. Their plan is to go up against every Tory candidate. So a vote for Reform is music to all the other parties ears.
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I still would not put it past Sunak to cut a deal with Tice whereby the Reform candidates were stood down in all Tory-held seats in order to avoid splitting the RW vote.

Just as Farage did in the 2019 general election for Johnson. I think that was maybe part of Farage’s long-term plan to rejoin the Conservatives after a decent interval.

It’s the obvious thing for Sunak to try. But what price would Tice demand? A peerage, perhaps. Would the price be too high? Would the electorate swallow that? Does Sunak have better morals? Who knows? I guess we will find out when the election is called.
 
Wizaard said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1757352329831952599
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What a sad twitter account.

I guess it depends how you compare it, it's not election time and it's not a main channel.

www.gbnews.com

GB News secures RECORD viewing figures for Rishi Sunak People's Forum grilling

The special televised event is one of a number taking place on the UK's Election Channel this year
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

www.telegraph.co.uk

A polished GBNews set-up delivers, but Rishi still can't quite pull off being a man of the people

Prime Minister ticks off Starmer jibes, chemist anecdotes and flaunting his maths prowess
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Archibald Knox said:
I still would not put it past Sunak to cut a deal with Tice whereby the Reform candidates were stood down in all Tory-held seats in order to avoid splitting the RW vote.

Just as Farage did in the 2019 general election for Johnson. I think that was maybe part of Farage’s long-term plan to rejoin the Conservatives after a decent interval.

It’s the obvious thing for Sunak to try. But what price would Tice demand? A peerage, perhaps. Would the price be too high? Would the electorate swallow that? Does Sunak have better morals? Who knows? I guess we will find out when the election is called.
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Tice has said he won't be standing down, he isn't prone to u turns so we'll have to see, but it would massively weaken him of he did, can't see it.
 
JJpool said:
Tice has said he won't be standing down, he isn't prone to u turns so we'll have to see, but it would massively weaken him of he did, can't see it.
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Depends upon Tice’s long term ambition. He wants to be an MP, but he will only get that if proportional representation is made law. That may not happen for years.

He might be Reform Party “leader” but it’s not a party, it’s a company owned by Nigel Farage. Farage can do what he likes with it, including sacking Tice at a moment’s notice.

So perhaps Tice cannot be “weakened” any further, as he already has a weak position. If Sunak bribes Tice in the GE campaign to explode Reform’s chances, he might take it and defect. Depends on the price/reward.

Sunak would have to be desperate though as it would likely backfire on him. It would be too embarrassing as well. So, it will not happen. But a week is a long time in politics.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Depends upon Tice’s long term ambition. He wants to be an MP, but he will only get that if proportional representation is made law. That may not happen for years.

He might be Reform Party “leader” but it’s not a party, it’s a company owned by Nigel Farage. Farage can do what he likes with it, including sacking Tice at a moment’s notice.

So perhaps Tice cannot be “weakened” any further, as he already has a weak position. If Sunak bribes Tice in the GE campaign to explode Reform’s chances, he might take it and defect. Depends on the price/reward.

Sunak would have to be desperate though as it would likely backfire on him. It would be too embarrassing as well. So, it will not happen. But a week is a long time in politics.
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I am looking forward to Reform taking a goodly chunk of Tory votes across all seats. I am looking forward to the Lib Dems giving the Tories a kicking in the South West. Less certain is my hope that Labour can regain some ground against the SNP. In terms of their record in Government the SNP deserve to be punished big time. However, if their support holds up because of their Nationalist credentials, Labour may not do as well North of the Border as they should.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Depends upon Tice’s long term ambition. He wants to be an MP, but he will only get that if proportional representation is made law. That may not happen for years.

He might be Reform Party “leader” but it’s not a party, it’s a company owned by Nigel Farage. Farage can do what he likes with it, including sacking Tice at a moment’s notice.

So perhaps Tice cannot be “weakened” any further, as he already has a weak position. If Sunak bribes Tice in the GE campaign to explode Reform’s chances, he might take it and defect. Depends on the price/reward.

Sunak would have to be desperate though as it would likely backfire on him. It would be too embarrassing as well. So, it will not happen. But a week is a long time in politics.
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Looks like those defecting to the far right UKIP, sorry Reform, are going to be the ones that bring down the Tories and put Starmer in. And that without Reform having any chance whatsoever of winning a seat.

BBC discussing this as a possible "extinction event" for the Conservative party.
 
Macseasider said:
Looks like those defecting to the far right UKIP, sorry Reform, are going to be the ones that bring down the Tories and put Starmer in. And that without Reform having any chance whatsoever of winning a seat.

BBC discussing this as a possible "extinction event" for the Conservative party.
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Despite all the excitement, Reform have got just over 10% of the vote.
 
refoam at the mouth party. there was one of these di.....ds on breakfast just now. charlie stayt tied him on knots. cluelless right wing nobody,
 
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