Taking The Knee

Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t think for one minute people are booing racism I think they are booing because their fed up of seeing clubs still take the knee.
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I suppose the question should be, how long do you think anti-racist gestures should be allowed then?

What's an acceptable time frame for saying "we as players are united in our condemnation of racism against our friends and team mates?"

It's interesting that they've carried on, even though Grant Ward has gone, and he publicly stated he'd received racist abuse as a Blackpool player.

It's something our players feel strongly about obviously.
 
It's rather strange that they only thing they have ever protested about in football for years on end is an area that football has made tremendous progress in.

The tremendous progress had been made before the protest was introduced and it's possible that the protest has actually created more division ?

Remember the protest was introduced as a direct result of something that had the square root of feck all to do with football, apologies if any of the American coppers that killed the black career criminal or the black career criminal himself were involved in British football ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
It's rather strange that they only thing they have ever protested about in football for years on end is an area that football has made tremendous progress in.

The tremendous progress had been made before the protest was introduced and it's possible that the protest has actually created more division ?

Remember the protest was introduced as a direct result of something that had the square root of feck all to do with football, apologies if any of the American coppers that killed the black career criminal or the black career criminal himself were involved in British football ?
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There is no division in the ground, just on here. It gets applauded every time. As long as the players want to do it, then what's the issue?
 
Wizaard said:
There is no division in the ground, just on here. It gets applauded every time. As long as the players want to do it, then what's the issue?
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I think it does get applauded but by a lot less then you think.
In my block in the west very few actually applaud it I’ve even heard a few boo’s some even turn around and face away from the pitch.
I do agree though if the players are happy to continue with it then fair enough but the crowd seemingly a lot less so than some people think.
 
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Wizaard said:
There is no division in the ground, just on here. It gets applauded every time. As long as the players want to do it, then what's the issue?
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Wiz

You ask me what the issue is in response to my post.

No problem but reading my post again, the issue - if that's the word - is that, "It's rather strange that they only thing they have ever protested about in football for years on end is an area that football has made tremendous progress in".

In all my years of watching football, this knee thing is the only thing I can remember being protested about for years - please let me know if you don't believe that to be the case ?

So all I was suggesting is that I find it rather surprising that all the things that have happened in the game and in society over the years, by far the longest protest is on something that the sport has made tremendous progress in.

Our players MIGHT want to do it as you suggest, but whether they like it or not, I am not sure that the continued protest is actually helping the issue to progress, I think there is an argument to suggest that the protest has caused more division.

There are teams and individual players and individual black players who do not think that the protest should continue, I think you are possibly trying just a little too hard with your support with the protest.

There are already effective initiatives in place to address any problems and football continues to make great progress in this area so it might be an idea to concentrate on supporting the effective initiatives than continue to defend one that is questionable.


* AVFTT caveat - I say questionable, it might be the wrong word but I don't mean it's wrong full stop, I just mean the merit could be argued.

We just disagree on this one Wiz.
 
dodgy_surname said:
If it pisses off the Knowsley supporters on here I’d make it 2 minutes 👍
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Well done dodgy, you have perfectly demonstrated what I was just saying to Wiz.

It's clear that your primary interest is not to help solve any problems with racism but to frustrate those who don't agree with a certain form of protest or on other topic matters.

Your attitude will do nothing to help.

No sorry about that dodgy, your attitude will help create division.
 
It all deends on why they are doing it.
1. If it's the players themselves that want to do it and they all agree then fine carry on. It costs nothing and it reminder that racism still exists.
2. If they are told they have to do it, then that is a different matter. It then becomes a meaningless charade.
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
It all deends on why they are doing it.
1. If it's the players themselves that want to do it and they all agree then fine carry on. It costs nothing and it reminder that racism still exists.
2. If they are told they have to do it, then that is a different matter. It then becomes a meaningless charade.
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It will be the former.
 
Yes. And good on them for doing it. Makes me proud.

So what if other teams don't join in.? Shame on them.

Not surprised the knuckle draggers on here are out in force, though.
 
Pointless gesture now, always was really. Most teams have stopped it and it looked ridiculous when the US didn't even do it at the WC, the country the incident happened in.

But it's upto the players what they want to do.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The issue is that those with an agenda won't let it drop. It's the same posters every time.
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My agenda is wanting to watch a game of football and enjoy it without having other agendas (well-meaning or otherwise) and pointless gestures play out before me. Not asking for much really and used to be the standard before everyone started being insecure about everything.
 
Its up to the team, if they wish to that's fine by me. if they don't i wont be complaining either.
 
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