The Alan Ball management era

Re Ted McDougall, I recall there used to be a flag behind the South Stand goal with the legend “Tap it in Ted” which he duly did on one occasion against Kilmarnock in the quarter final of the Anglo Scottish Cup. And that was it
Ted moved like he was on casters!

To be fair, although he was crap on the pitch, our downturn in form seem to coincide with him leaving (wasn't he coach?).
 
One of my favourite memories of Bally was when we played Leeds United at BR.
Bremner did yet another dirty foul on AB,
AB got up, smacked BB in the gob, turned round and walked off before the Ref got his book out.
 
Also local Blackpool lad Roger Kenyon who went on to have a great career at Everton alongside Bally was a member of the 1979 Whitecaps National league title win. When Bally took over at Pool after leaving Vancouver he signed up his old mate Roger but alas he didn't appear in a Tangerine shirt.
No Kenyon joined in October 1981 when Allan Brown was manager. He was on a short term contract till the end of the season. However he suffered an injury in training soon after signing and that kept him out for the rest of the season. He left in June 1982 without making an appearance. He then went into non lg football for the rest of his career.
 
No Kenyon joined in October 1981 when Allan Brown was manager. He was on a short term contract till the end of the season. However he suffered an injury in training soon after signing and that kept him out for the rest of the season. He left in June 1982 without making an appearance. He then went into non lg football for the rest of his career.
The passage of time does have its effects on the clarity of memory. I was sure it was Bally. Anyways as team mates they made Whitecaps very happy in their glory year of 79. Roger went to a 40th year celebration over there a few years back.
 
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Yes Bally took us down to Div.4 and was a terrible manager for us but a great player. He did however have some success as a manager with Portsmouth who he took up to the top division.
Was that just one season think he relegated umpteen clubs
 
I’d signed schoolboy forms under Ternent and was down there under the Ball era.
As some have said on here he got frustrated, as the players were just not the same class he’d been used to.
End of the weeks training we’d play against the first team which was quite an experience.
He did sign Bamber and Wayne Harrison.
On a Friday morning prior to the weekends game the team for Saturday would be typed out in BFC paper and Ball would sign it before it went up in the ‘cabin’ at Squires Gate. I managed to get a few of those 😉.
Shame it didn’t work out under Ball, the club was totally broke when he left!
 
Also local Blackpool lad Roger Kenyon who went on to have a great career at Everton alongside Bally was a member of the 1979 Whitecaps National league title win. When Bally took over at Pool after leaving Vancouver he signed up his old mate Roger but alas he didn't appear in a Tangerine shirt.
I used to play in the same local team (under 16’s) as Roger and Eric Curwen who captained England schoolboys and also went to Everton. We were sponsored by Billy Cartmell who paid for our kit and put on a party at his hotel when we won the Kenny Shield
 
I used to play in the same local team (under 16’s) as Roger and Eric Curwen who captained England schoolboys and also went to Everton. We were sponsored by Billy Cartmell who paid for our kit and put on a party at his hotel when we won the Kenny Shield
Everton were known in the early 60’s for being generous with the” brown envelope” when signing up schoolboys. Against the rules but hard to prove etc. Other clubs did it as well.
 
Remember that there were a full 2 sides of the ground filled with Pool. Left late from work with some mates expecting a few hundred to attend at most. What an atmosphere.
I remember that night well. We were In a pub after the game somewhere between Rotherham and Manchester celebrating.

Someone put “ I’m in the mood for dancing” by the Nolan’s on the jukebox repeatedly. Miserable landlord took the plug out at the walk eventually..
 
Great player of course, but I remember being stood towards the back of the kop, with him in the middle of the pitch and I could clearly hear him screaming and what he was shouting. We all know that was due to his frustration that he didn’t have the quality he was used to, but that wasn’t the way to go about getting the best out of his players.
 
Alan Ball was 34 when he was appointed by Blackpool as Player Manager. He had no management or coaching experience and knew nothing about the third tier of English football. Blackpool were in decline and the Board took a big risk which didn’t pay off on the pitch, albeit attendances, income and the profile of the Club definitely improved. Ball later admitted the Player Manager job at Blackpool was too big for him and he didn’t have the knowledge or experience and his ego got in the way. He also had regrets that he didn’t retain Stan Ternent to work alongside him. Ball was always a winner and managing a struggling Blackpool side would have been impossible for him to handle. I blame the BFC Board not Alan Ball. After Ball left Blackpool in Div 3 he rejoined Southampton as a player in Div 1 and played 63 games for the Saints in the top tier of English football. He didn’t return to football management until 1984 when he became Portsmouth Manager and just missed out on promotion to Div 1 in his 1st season, but went on to deliver promotion to Div 1 in 1987, then later on his management career he kept a struggling Southampton in Div 1 for two consecutive seasons and revitalised Matt Le Tissier’s career. Alan Ball was a Manager for a total of 666 games over a 20 year period, I believe he is still well thought of on the South Coast but he had limited success over his management career and there were more downsides than upsides. Personally I prefer to remember the brilliant Alan Ball who kept Blackpool in the top tier of English football for three consecutive seasons in the 1960s, won the World Cup as a Blackpool player in 1966 and gave a man of the match performance in the Final and was then sold to Everton for a record fee. Ball is the last Blackpool player to play for England and that was 56 years ago and he is arguably the best player Blackpool have ever produced in their whole 135 year history,
 
Yes Bally took us down to Div.4 and was a terrible manager for us but a great player. He did however have some success as a manager with Portsmouth who he took up to the top division.
Alan Ball was sacked by Blackpool in Feb 1981 after just 34 League games in charge. Allan Brown was in charge when Blackpool were relegated to Div 4, however I am not saying if Ball had stayed that Blackpool would not have been relegated. Ball’s most successful period as a Manager was at Portsmouth (first time around) and at Southampton.
 
Bally was the highest paid manager in England whilst at BFC - probably because he was player manager
Remember the headlines about it Think it made back page headlines in the Mail
Alan Ball was 34 and still a very good Div 1 player when he became Blackpool Player Manager, he was also doing two jobs at Blackpool. When he was sacked by Blackpool, Ball rejoined Southampton and played a further 63 games in Div 1.
 
Bally was the highest paid manager in England whilst at BFC - probably because he was player manager
Remember the headlines about it Think it made back page headlines in the Mail
Great player of course, but I remember being stood towards the back of the kop, with him in the middle of the pitch and I could clearly hear him screaming and what he was shouting. We all know that was due to his frustration that he didn’t have the quality he was used to, but that wasn’t the way to go about getting the best out of his
It’s all about perspective I suppose.

I am one of those who started watching Blackpool just after Alan Ball left, too young to properly remember 1966, so didn’t get to see him play for us, but was a young adult by the time he made a colossal mess of the player manager job. And let’s face it, he did just that. We were going down like a stone, we had to make a massive payoff to him when he left and we took years to recover from it.

Living in Hampshire, I know he is well thought of at Pompey. And he had the good fortune to succeed Ian Branfoot at Southampton which meant all he had to do was reinstate Matt Le T into the team (Branfoot had dropped him) to become instantly popular.

On the other hand I shouldn’t think that he is quite so well though of as a manager in places like Manchester City and Stoke City..
 
It’s all about perspective I suppose.

I am one of those who started watching Blackpool just after Alan Ball left, too young to properly remember 1966, so didn’t get to see him play for us, but was a young adult by the time he made a colossal mess of the player manager job. And let’s face it, he did just that. We were going down like a stone, we had to make a massive payoff to him when he left and we took years to recover from it.

Living in Hampshire, I know he is well thought of at Pompey. And he had the good fortune to succeed Ian Branfoot at Southampton which meant all he had to do was reinstate Matt Le T into the team (Branfoot had dropped him) to become instantly popular.

On the other hand I shouldn’t think that he is quite so well though of as a manager in places like Manchester City and Stoke City..
I still think the demise of Blackpool started in the late 70s when in 1978 Blackpool inexplicably sacked Allan Brown when we were challenging for promotion to Div 1 and after that we won just 1 game and got relegated instead and then brought in Bob Stokoe for another stint of asset stripping,
 
I still think the demise of Blackpool started in the late 70s when in 1978 Blackpool inexplicably sacked Allan Brown when we were challenging for promotion to Div 1 and after that we won just 1 game and got relegated instead and then brought in Bob Stokoe for another stint of asset stripping,
The demise began in the early 60s when the maximum wage was abolished and immediately disadvantaged the 'smaller' clubs who couldn't offer
the bigger wages. Blackpool , Preston , Bolton and Blackburn were all relegated from the top division between 1961 and 1967 .

The 1978 relegation wouldn't have happened if Brown hadn't been sacked but we weren't really in the promotion race at the time and had actually
gone backwards from the previous season.
 
Everton were known in the early 60’s for being generous with the” brown envelope” when signing up schoolboys. Against the rules but hard to prove etc. Other clubs did it as well.
Yes they’d go and bribe the parents with new cars etc. They did that with John Hurst
 
The demise began in the early 60s when the maximum wage was abolished and immediately disadvantaged the 'smaller' clubs who couldn't offer
the bigger wages. Blackpool , Preston , Bolton and Blackburn were all relegated from the top division between 1961 and 1967 .

The 1978 relegation wouldn't have happened if Brown hadn't been sacked but we weren't really in the promotion race at the time and had actually
gone backwards from the previous season.
Blackpool still had some great players in the 1960s & 197Os after the maximum wage was abolished and spent the entire period in the top 2 tiers of English football, often challenging for Promotion to the Top Tier. It was a very exciting time to be a Blackpool fan. The surprise sacking of Allan Brown in 1978 took us into a completely new ball park as we won just one Div 2 game in the last 16 games after he left and ended up in Div 3 and then shortly afterwards in Div 4.
 
Totally different scenario in that Alan Ball had a fantastic career as a player but there are similarities in what is happening now and how history is repeating itself with his return to Blackpool as a player-manager. Although Bally was appointed in the summer of 1980 there was a delay in arriving as he honoured his contract at Vancouver Whitecaps. There was a lot of euphoria and things got off to a flying start with some scintillating football. As the season went on things began to slide and we just avoided relegation by winning at Rotherham. One of the problems Ball encountered was expecting lower league footballers to be able to play like First Division players. He tried to introduce youngsters and things went from bad to worse he ended up with a winning percentage at 20%.

>>>In March 2005, Ball finally commented on his time as Blackpool manager. He said, "Jack Charlton, a good friend, had offered me a coaching role at Sheffield Wednesday, and with hindsight I should have done that instead: got a bit of experience under my belt. Another thing I should have done was kept Stan Ternent on. I replaced him as manager, but he was very good. I think I was a bit big-headed, a little headstrong, and I thought being a player-manager would be no problem for me. It was a lot more difficult than I thought, and not helped by dealing with the boardroom."[2]
Everyone knew what a hopeless manager he was.
 
The win at Rotherham was at the end of the 79/80 season. Stan Ternant had been sacked in the February and Ball agreed to be Manager at that time but couldn't start until the summer . The 80/81 season started quite well , we were 7th in mid October but we fell away when the heavier pitches came along. He was sacked at the end of February and we were relegated at the end of the season. His next managerial job was at Portsmouth ( 1984 to 1989) where he was a success.
He remains the best player I have seen in a tangerine shirt and almost single handedly kept us in the first division in 1964/5 and 1965/6. We were virtually relegated the following Christmas following his sale to Everton.
The Rotherham win was preceded by wins at Oxford and and Reading. Although Bally was in Canada? He resigned immediately after an away game at Brentford where we lost and seemed quite a shock to the staff. By that time we were doomed and saddled with a major wage bill.
 
John Hurst yes he went to St. Georges. He lived in a prefab on Lawson Rd as a kid.
Great player for Everton, as a kid he was so much bigger than the rest of us and could literally dribble past us all and score.
Plus he was the only one on the pitch who could kick the big heavy case ball in the air!!
 
I've mentioned this before but Alan Ball is one of the main reasons I kept supporting the Pool as a kid. We lived in Buckinghamshire, well over 200 miles away from Blackpool, and were lucky to get up for two games a season as it was a good 4 hour or more drive each way in the trusty family Allegro. Meanwhile all my friends and classmates at school either supported Liverpool or Arsenal or Spurs (as we were fairly close to London). It was really hard being a Blackpool supporter as a 9 year old back then - mates used to rip the piss out of me when I wore my kit, and it would have been very easy for me to switch allegiances to either a more successful team or a more local one to stop getting grief. When we played football at playtime at school all the other kids would pretend they were Kegan, Hoddle or Shilton and I'd be Dave Bamber, Stan McEwan or Iain Hesford much to their amusement.

One time we were up at the club shop and I went to buy an autograph book. The lady behind the counter said "oh, Mr Ball is in the office next door, want me to get him to sign it for you?" and of course I was made up. Not only did he sign it but Alan called me and my dad through and was fairly amazed that a lad from Aylesbury supported Blackpool. "Do you want to get some more autographs? Then I've got an idea" he told me. He had a word with my dad and next thing I knew I was bundled in the back of a minibus with all the players and whisked off for a training session at Squires Gate with all my heroes. I had the best hour of my life, with all the players really looking after me as I joined in with their training, and it was all thanks to Alan Ball. He really didn't have to go out of his way to do that, but it had a massive impact on me and it's why, over 4 decades later, I'm still here.
 
It was in the days before agents. Bally took advice from his dad and no one else.
I remember Trevor Francis having an agent (Dennis Roach) when he was transferred from Birmingham to Forest for £1M in the late 1970s. High profile players like Alan Ball would also have agents, certainly in the early 80s when Ball came to Blackpool as Player Manager and handling the complexity of his ongoing contract with Vancouver Whitecaps. Yes in the early days of his career Alan Ball did take advice from his Dad and nobody else, unfortunately his Dad died in early 1982.
 
Were you his agent?
Forgot to mention that I employed Alan Ball as an after dinner and motivational speaker in the 1990s at three events I organised, he was brilliant and I got to sit next to him on the top table. I also enjoyed the Q&As, Bally didn’t know what questions were coming and he answered them all with honesty.
 
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