The Darkest Days.

Jaffa_The_Hut

Jaffa_The_Hut

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Of the Israel Gaza war.

Anyone else watch it was on BBC2.

It’s been a big debate on here since that shocking day back on 07/10/23.

Video/phone pictures from both sides not previously seen before just shocking to watch.

Local Israeli’s citizen’s cowering in tiny air raid shelters as Hamas fighters outside tossing Grenades inside one after the other blowing people to pieces then as if they didn’t do enough they eventually go inside and shooting every blown up body to ensure they killed everyone a few lucky ones who did survive by covering themselves with dismembered corpses were then dragged out and thrown in the back of a pick up truck some horrifically injured but didn’t get any medical help.

Those people at that open air concert were just massacred as they stood listening to the music those that ran away (most of them) were hunted down by Hamas fighters and shot as they ran many hid in the fields but most were hunted down and shot many as they begged for mercy whole families were wiped out that day 350 killed at this music festival alone many being teenagers.

Now we’re seeing the Palestinian civilians and children caught up in the aftermath by the IDF being blown to pieces in air raids it really is shocking to watch.

The last 10 minutes was about the heroic efforts by the paramedic drivers responding to the aftermath of the IDF attacks many who were sadly killed just doing their job.

Now I’m not taking sides in this as it’s just a shocking watch from both sides but when so many innocent civilians especially children are caught up in this but anyone who watched this can understand the severity of the Israeli reprisals because what Hamas did on that day was just unforgivable it was just inhumane the way they murdered people.

Yes it’s safe to say war crimes have been committed by the IDF we saw it only a few days ago with the killings of those 7 aid workers but sorry no one will ever convince me otherwise all this didn’t come about because of those atrocities carried out on 07/10/23 by Hamas scum and in my opinion they alone have brought this on themselves and it’s clear none of them give a flying fcuk what they’ve done to their own people.

Every death on every side since that terrible day has got Hamas blood on it plain and simple.
 
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Still cannot believe how easily Hamas penetrated the Israeli defences that fateful day..

Where on earth were the borderline security forces?

You expect Israel to be so much better prepared for any such eventuality.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Still cannot believe how easily Hamas penetrated the Israeli defences that fateful day..

Where on earth were the borderline security forces?

You expect Israel to be so much better prepared for any such eventuality.
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I don’t think there’s ever that many controlling the crossing point to be honest but let’s not forget up to 400-500 armed terrorists crossed that morning so they would have been completely over powered.

A total lack of intelligence though is rather baffling.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t think there’s ever that many controlling the crossing point to be honest but let’s not forget up to 400-500 armed terrorists crossed that morning so they would have been completely over powered.

A total lack of intelligence though is rather baffling.
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Especially as we are talking about Mossad and their operations which are probably the best in the world along with the UK's
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t think there’s ever that many controlling the crossing point to be honest but let’s not forget up to 400-500 armed terrorists crossed that morning so they would have been completely over powered.

A total lack of intelligence though is rather baffling.
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Just good basic security on the part of Hamas, make sure the plan is known to as few people as possible, avoid electronic communications that can be intercepted, brief those involved at the very last minute and then go, it's similar to D-day 80 years ago.

Prior to 7/10 there were apparently senior Hamas leaders complaining about the lack of activity, that's how tightly the plan was being held.
 
Hamas fooled the IDF and Mossad over the past five years by frequently giving reliable intelligence on rocket launch sites and storage dumps that the Israelis could act on. However, the info was on rockets held by their rival terrorists in Gaza, Palestine Islamic Jihad.

The Israelis were fooled to such an extent that they allowed 15,000 Palestinians to cross daily out of Gaza to work in Israel, allowing Hamas to gather information on their surroundings.

In addition, because Israel thought Hamas was becoming more reasonable they allowed Qatar to continue funding Hamas without interference, because they thought Hamas being dominant would suppress the “more extreme” Islamic elements in Gaza. Qatar is estimated by some sources to have been sending Hamas about $30 million each month for several years.

Yes, there were Israeli intelligence failures on many levels, from government through intelligence down to the IDF and local kibbutz security teams. But Hamas was clever, and the role of Qatar in building up their offensive plans should not be overlooked. The Saudis reckon Qatar has also been funding the Houthis in Yemen.

Many think that Iran is the only bad faith actor in the ME, but that ain’t necessarily so. To think that Qatar hosted a World Cup less than two years ago while all this was building !?!?! Sports-washing or Sports-camouflage ?

But, as usual it’s the innocent Palestine civilians who suffer Israel’s retribution, not the oil-rich political shit-stirrers in the Middle East who are protected by the West since we need their oil and gas. Will we see the UK blocking the regular shipments of LPG from Qatar arriving by tanker at the South Wales gas terminal ? Hmmm.
 
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Apparently Mossad is only involved in Foreign intelligence so perhaps this is why the IDF was so utterly unprepared for 7/10. Reminiscent of 9/11 and the failure security forces and intelligence agencies to communicate vital information to each other.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Still cannot believe how easily Hamas penetrated the Israeli defences that fateful day..

Where on earth were the borderline security forces?

You expect Israel to be so much better prepared for any such eventuality.
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Think they used powered hang gliders and then having control of an area of fencing rammed it with JCBs and trucks to allow many vehicles to pass through.
Those funding Hamas have a lot to answer for, and how much of the spend on tunnels was sythoned off from legitimate rebuilding programs, and probably will be again.
 
Seainsea said:
Apparently Mossad is only involved in Foreign intelligence so perhaps this is why the IDF was so utterly unprepared for 7/10. Reminiscent of 9/11 and the failure security forces and intelligence agencies to communicate vital information to each other.
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They'll have agencies dedicated to internal security, just like we do, but from time to time even the best fail.
 
The darkest days are yet to come if Iran goes to war with Israel. If that happens does America heavily back Israel whilst Russia and China sponsor Iran? Bear in mind that Israel is a nuclear power. Frightening stuff.
 
Okay, I've just skimmed the first half of this, I won't bother with the second, but my opinion is that the BBC have seriously downplayed what happened on 7/10, since the details are distressing I'm going to put this in a spoiler for those who don't want to read it:

  • no mention of the gang rapes, of which there were many;
  • no mention of the mutilation of still living victims;
  • no mention of babies decapitated or shot in the head at close range;
  • no mention of the baby baked alive in a hot oven;
  • no mention of children, and families, tied up and then burned alive;
and those are just some of the things I know about.

Having minimized as far as possible the gravity of what happened on 7/10, I presume the rest of the programme goes on to present what is happening in Gaza as "just as bad", and invites the viewer to equate Israel's actions with those of Hamas.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Just good basic security on the part of Hamas, make sure the plan is known to as few people as possible, avoid electronic communications that can be intercepted, brief those involved at the very last minute and then go, it's similar to D-day 80 years ago.

Prior to 7/10 there were apparently senior Hamas leaders complaining about the lack of activity, that's how tightly the plan was being held.
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But it wasn't, this is a myth. It has been very widely reported that Israel's border watchers saw many examples of recon and trial runs, but were "ignored". No one seems to dare ask the question "Why?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
But it wasn't, this is a myth. It has been very widely reported that Israel's border watchers saw many examples of recon and trial runs, but were "ignored". No one seems to dare ask the question "Why?
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@Archibald Knox gives the answer above.

Hamas essentially fooled Israel into thinking that they'd given up, and had settled for running their patch of dirt, so long as the money could keep coming in from overseas, and enough Gazans (is that a word) could get work permits to cross into Israel to keep the economy ticking over.

As I said, similar, but different, to D-day.
 
Interesting that the "usual suspects" are conspicuous by their absence, it's almost as if they want to pretend that 7/10 didn't happen.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
www.politico.eu

Our warnings on Hamas were ignored, Israel’s women border troops say

Testimony from members of mainly female look-out units adds fuel to accusations that Netanyahu badly misread the dangers from Gaza.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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Lost Seasider said:
@Archibald Knox gives the answer above.

Hamas essentially fooled Israel into thinking that they'd given up, and had settled for running their patch of dirt, so long as the money could keep coming in from overseas, and enough Gazans (is that a word) could get work permits to cross into Israel to keep the economy ticking over.

As I said, similar, but different, to D-day.
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Tangerinemoss said:
But it wasn't, this is a myth. It has been very widely reported that Israel's border watchers saw many examples of recon and trial runs, but were "ignored". No one seems to dare ask the question "Why?
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The failure to prevent the Hamas incursion and terrorist atrocities was due to a combination of both elements. Both resulted in a failure of the Israeli Likud government to station precautionary IDF units in the region.

However, it is valid to ask why Netanyahu and his colleagues were so feckless. Incompetent or intentional? I think the first is more likely. And the savagery with which they have launched the IDF heavy weapons on Palestinian civilians is stimulated by their huge embarrassment at such a great failure to protect their citizens.
 
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Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, says three of his sons and several of his grandchildren have been killed in an Israeli air strike in Gaza.

His response? He said he thanked God for what he called the "honour bestowed on me with the martyrdom of my children and grandchildren".

I would expect nothing less from the Leader of a Death Cult.
By the way, he has lived quite safely for the past few years in Qatar .... there’s that Qatar link again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68777333
 
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