The Kop

I think the definition of a Kop varies, it isn't just an end. As a true Kop Liverpoo's was the biggest followed by Sheff Wed, then us.

I think the magnificent Celtic Park had the largest end, but wasn't a kop.

All from memory....
 
What memories that brought back.
Remember going with my Dad just after the War. He always made sure we were on the wall behind the goals.
The opening scene is particularly memorable, we used to go down on Sunday mornings, and in the school hols, and play football with the big wooden gates as goals. Often had to climb over to get the ball (usually a skinned tennis ball) back.
God, what memories.
 
Yes, seen that video before. It was the Kop when I started watching BFC regularly in 1970, with the roof still on, no centre segregation fence and the full size floodlights. Walking up the back and onto a full Kop was a sight to behold and got the adrenalin going
It certainly was, coming out of the dark up those steps,then suddenly that burst of colour, magical
 
Charlton's East terrace was huge - think that held 44,000 at one time
That is (I think) the biggest though the old Molyneux had a huge terrace which might have come close irc. I think the Holte End was the biggest 'end' of any English ground.

Edited, I looked this up and not surprisingly the massive are claiming their kop was massive and second biggest behind Holte End.
 
Top right of the kop by the West stand side (after the roof had gone) in the early / mid '80s was where I used to go. 50p entrance fee.

Happy days.
 
Sends shiver down the spine watching that,I remember getting to the turnstile at 1pm to get in from the age of 10 in the 70s and no segregation,fantastic on big crowd days.Who was the guy who led the chanting bit of an eccentric character ?
Pommo
 
Just watched this again, love grainy old footage of stuff from before my time.

The guy goes thru turnstile 42 then to his right is turnstile 43. Sandwiched inbetween is tangerine door marked Gentlemen which looks like the most inadequate of facilities for the 17000 people mentioned in this thread!!
 
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When did the roof come off the Kop? And was it for safety reasons.

I ask as after seeing @Potts Must Go video I’d never realised it had one as I spent most of the 80s as a kid in America so didn’t really go to Bloomfield Road then.

When we came back to Blackpool in the early 90s. I remember my first game walking up the steps to the inside of the South Stand the atmosphere hit me, and remember seeing the old Kop, it looked absolutely massive to me then even though it was divided then with no roof and in a bit of a state.

I can’t remember what year but we got thumped by Burnley at home and they’d packed the stand out and we’re going crazy in there remember thinking there must be millions of them in there not fingers just the people. 😉
 
When did the roof come off the Kop? And was it for safety reasons.

I ask as after seeing @Potts Must Go video I’d never realised it had one as I spent most of the 80s as a kid in America so didn’t really go to Bloomfield Road then.

When we came back to Blackpool in the early 90s. I remember my first game walking up the steps to the inside of the South Stand the atmosphere hit me, and remember seeing the old Kop, it looked absolutely massive to me then even though it was divided then with no roof and in a bit of a state.

I can’t remember what year but we got thumped by Burnley at home and they’d packed the stand out and we’re going crazy in there remember thinking there must be millions of them in there not fingers just the people. 😉
May 1980 ( it was less than 20 years old )
 
Think it was pre season as Alan Ball arrived as manager.
If I remember rightly Rotherham at home was one of the first games minus roof.
First crowd in excess of 10k for quite a while.
Rammy lads went in the Rotherham side & then proudly got led out back into the home end.
40yrs ago yet I can't remember what I had for my tea last night.
 
Think it was pre season as Alan Ball arrived as manager.
If I remember rightly Rotherham at home was one of the first games minus roof.
First crowd in excess of 10k for quite a while.
Rammy lads went in the Rotherham side & then proudly got led out back into the home end.
40yrs ago yet I can't remember what I had for my tea last night.
You're right, it was the first home game of the season and was played on a Tuesday night from memory, we lost 1-2, it was the game after we'd won at Swindon 2-1 on the opening day.....but yes, 10k + attendance.

I had fried rice with crispy belly pork, washed down with a few Singha........
 
You're right, it was the first home game of the season and was played on a Tuesday night from memory, we lost 1-2, it was the game after we'd won at Swindon 2-1 on the opening day.....but yes, 10k + attendance.

I had fried rice with crispy belly pork, washed down with a few Singha........
😀 👍
 
May 1980 is correct. The Rotherham game mentioned we drew 0-0, having won the first game away at Swindon, and beaten everyone pre-season. We got beaten by Everton in the League Cup the following week. Everyone was buzzing with Alan Ball at the helm but it all went pear after that really.

The Scratching Shed was divided and fences put up at the same time as the Kop Roof came off, so at the start of the 1980 season people were a bit undecided as to where to go. I think that night the Scratching Shed was full, with its limited capacity for the first time. I know I was in there and can remember only just getting in before they closed the gates, there was still a big queue behind me, must've been the Rammy lads 🤣
 
May 1980 is correct. The Rotherham game mentioned we drew 0-0, having won the first game away at Swindon, and beaten everyone pre-season. We got beaten by Everton in the League Cup the following week. Everyone was buzzing with Alan Ball at the helm but it all went pear after that really.

The Scratching Shed was divided and fences put up at the same time as the Kop Roof came off, so at the start of the 1980 season people were a bit undecided as to where to go. I think that night the Scratching Shed was full, with its limited capacity for the first time. I know I was in there and can remember only just getting in before they closed the gates, there was still a big queue behind me, must've been the Rammy lads 🤣
What caused the changes to it in 1980? I assume it was just falling apart and it was a way of keeping it open?
 
What caused the changes to it in 1980? I assume it was just falling apart and it was a way of keeping it open?
Entry from the back of the Kop was deemed unsafe as it was too steep from the turnstiles up to the top. The away side could be accessed from half way up, reducing the risk. There had been issues at other grounds where a crush on steep stairs resulted in fatalities, including Ibrox.
 
I think the home side was built on less secure foundations and was written off as no good finally in 1985. Part of the Away side was on concrete stilts at the very back, on the left hand side as you went in, but I think these were done away with on safety grounds and a bit of the terrace at the back corner was demolished at that time as well.

Look closely at this picture, bottom left you can see the concrete stilts just about if you can zoom in Kop
 
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It was a big old kop wasn’t it? Has anyone ever done a size comparison for these things...I bet ours ran a few big city clubs close.
In the 1970's Blackpools kop was the third largest behind Liverpool's kop and Villa's Holte end
 
Part of the Away side was on concrete stilts at the very back, on the left hand side as you went in, but I think these were done away with on safety grounds and a bit of the terrace at the back corner was demolished at that time as well.
This is correct. This is also what caused the roof to be removed. The ground in that part of Bloomfield Road is very very boggy due to there being an old underground stream there. The bit of the Kop on concrete stilts was starting to sink so had to be demolished. Presumably they had to take the roof off to demolish it, and also one of the roof supports stood on that part of the terracing.
 
This is correct. This is also what caused the roof to be removed. The ground in that part of Bloomfield Road is very very boggy due to there being an old underground stream there. The bit of the Kop on concrete stilts was starting to sink so had to be demolished. Presumably they had to take the roof off to demolish it, and also one of the roof supports stood on that part of the terracing.

Not a great job really when you think of it, it only lasted 20 years. On in 1960, off in 1980 and was probably full of asbestos .

Still, i wish I was older and would have been able to experience it in all its glory. Even half full or in our dark days of the late 70s, would do.
 
Kop held at least 16k as that was the amount of tickets the board in their wisdom gave Man United in 74 when they're in the 2nd division.
I watched the game in South stand seats and only 7k Pool in the ground.
I started watchingf rom the kop end about 69 before it was segregated. Fantastic view from there. Great memories of Suddicks goal of the century in Anglo Italian cup and Tony Green destroying Bobby Moore in the 4-0 win over West Ham in FA Cup.Other vivid memories the leader of kop with the distinctive voice leading the weyo weyo gob gob goball chants.Was that Pono?
Wolve fans kicking shit out of the rear of kop and making huge holes with the police backing off.
Chelsea and Sunderland fans throwing coal and missiles of all descriptions over the dividing fence.There was a strange kind of acceptance that these things would happen.
Sad that it fell out of use and for years the ground neglected and was frankly a bit of a shit hole.
 
Cheers.

I got really into Ian Nairn's stuff a while book. He did a series called 'Football Towns' in the 70s and it's unbelievably evocative as is 'Nairn's Britain' where he goes from London to Edinburgh.

The fella isn't Ian Nairn, but I wondered if it was from something like that.
though i don't know the original derivation, i believe that the bloke in the op's clip is arthur hopcraft, former football writer and author of the seminal book 'the football man'. he went on to write numerous screenplays including, famously, the tv adaptation of 'tinker, tailor, soldier spy'.

'nairn across britain' is still available on the bbc iplayer and 'football towns' is on youtube. both great.

 
though i don't know the original derivation, i believe that the bloke in the op's clip is arthur hopcraft, former football writer and author of the seminal book 'the football man'. he went on to write numerous screenplays including, famously, the tv adaptation of 'tinker, tailor, soldier spy'.

'nairn across britain' is still available on the bbc iplayer and 'football towns' is on youtube. both great.

Thanks! Appreciate that.

Nairn across britain is wonderful, both as a piece of work and as a reminder of a world I just about remember. He actually travels pretty much past my old house in Leigh as well when he goes on the bridgewater canal. I also love Jonathan Meade's and discovering Nairn explained a lot about Meades! I particularly enjoy the way he's clearly three sheets to the wind with a tab on half the time
 
Mentioned it on a similar thread a week or so ago but I only remember the kop when it was half shut and looking a mess. Someone mentioned it was shut down due to the steps at the back being to steep.
I recall the decision coming down to the crush barriers where the metal had rotted. It would have cost too much to replace each and every one of them.
 
Kop held at least 16k as that was the amount of tickets the board in their wisdom gave Man United in 74 when they're in the 2nd division.
I watched the game in South stand seats and only 7k Pool in the ground.
I started watchingf rom the kop end about 69 before it was segregated. Fantastic view from there. Great memories of Suddicks goal of the century in Anglo Italian cup and Tony Green destroying Bobby Moore in the 4-0 win over West Ham in FA Cup.Other vivid memories the leader of kop with the distinctive voice leading the weyo weyo gob gob goball chants.Was that Pono?
Wolve fans kicking shit out of the rear of kop and making huge holes with the police backing off.
Chelsea and Sunderland fans throwing coal and missiles of all descriptions over the dividing fence.There was a strange kind of acceptance that these things would happen.
Sad that it fell out of use and for years the ground neglected and was frankly a bit of a shit hole.

Not sure about all of that Atchet.

Your estimate of the capacity of the Kop is pretty close, I think. But ticket allocations for away fans wasn't even a thing then, was it? I know United took the Kop, but there were Blackpool fans on it - I was one of them, at least until I paid a few pence to go through the transfer turnstile into the scratchers.

Edit to add : Just realised that you were talking about 74 and not 71. Doh!
 
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Not sure about all of that Atchet.

Your estimate of the capacity of the Kop is pretty close, I think. But ticket allocations for away fans wasn't even a thing then, was it? I know United took the Kop, but there were Blackpool fans on it - I was one of them, at least until I paid a few pence to go through the transfer turnstile into the scratchers.
We were also on the Kop that day, as my mate said ‘ not letting United stop me standing on my own end’! We were squashed down by the scratchers, no scarves mind! 😂 It was pay at the turnstiles back then as you say. Over 25,000 there that game, it would be interesting to know how many spectators were allowed on each side back then, any ideas?
 
We were also on the Kop that day, as my mate said ‘ not letting United stop me standing on my own end’! We were squashed down by the scratchers, no scarves mind! 😂 It was pay at the turnstiles back then as you say. Over 25,000 there that game, it would be interesting to know how many spectators were allowed on each side back then, any ideas?
I've always wondered this. Given that our record attendance is around 38,000, I would suggest something along the following:-

South Stand Seats: 2000
South Paddock: 4,000
West Stand Seats: (including SW and NW stands): 3000
West Paddock: 2,000
East Paddock: 9,000
Kop: 18,000
 
I've always wondered this. Given that our record attendance is around 38,000, I would suggest something along the following:-

South Stand Seats: 2000
South Paddock: 4,000
West Stand Seats: (including SW and NW stands): 3000
West Paddock: 2,000
East Paddock: 9,000
Kop: 18,000
Yeh, that must have been some squash! Probably about 10.000 on Kop for the Man U game, remember most big games in the early 60’s when the Kop was totally rammed and you ended up being carried downwards with no control after a goal! Fun but a bit scary also.
 
I've always wondered this. Given that our record attendance is around 38,000, I would suggest something along the following:-

South Stand Seats: 2000
South Paddock: 4,000
West Stand Seats: (including SW and NW stands): 3000
West Paddock: 2,000
East Paddock: 9,000
Kop: 18,000

Look like pretty good estimates to me, apart from the South Paddock of course 😉
After reading AVFTT for a few years, I reckon there were 15,000 in the South Paddock when Mickey Walsh scored against Sunderland
 
Look like pretty good estimates to me, apart from the South Paddock of course 😉
After reading AVFTT for a few years, I reckon there were 15,000 in the South Paddock when Mickey Walsh scored against Sunderland
Suspect the West Paddock held more than 2k

The Kop was 12k
 
Memories of the kop my first visit 1966 we played MU in a league cup game Busby rested Law,Best & Charlton we beat them 5-1 weather was horrendous as a newcomer I was stood at the front exposed to the elements. A chant of Harry Roberts kills coppers was one of mine enduring memories of the match not sure which set of supporters were responsible. Pommo was in the same class as me at Millfield and October 1968 I introduced him to Bloomfield Road Pool v Palace a 3-0 win and the rest is history. He now lives out of town but we did catch up at the Winter Gardens Soul Festival in 2017.
Our time in Division 1 70-71 saw very large gates due to the away fans attracted to Blackpool for a weekend as well as the football. When Leeds were in town I found myself queuing along side some Leeds fans, one was trying to belittle a female mounted officer by saying her mount was sweating her reply was class " listen son if you were between my legs you would be sweating"
 
I think some of you are mistaken about 1974. The game against united was all ticket with the Kop given to united. I had a season ticket for the Kop and had to go in the west paddock. I was on the kop in 1971 when united took it over and I moved to the scratching shed, think it cost 6d. Someone mentioned the cup game when we won 5-1, I thought Charlton played that game scoring their goal.
 
I think some of you are mistaken about 1974. The game against united was all ticket with the Kop given to united. I had a season ticket for the Kop and had to go in the west paddock. I was on the kop in 1971 when united took it over and I moved to the scratching shed, think it cost 6d. Someone mentioned the cup game when we won 5-1, I thought Charlton played that game scoring their goal.
I can't remember any all ticket games until the 80s.
 
I think some of you are mistaken about 1974. The game against united was all ticket with the Kop given to united. I had a season ticket for the Kop and had to go in the west paddock. I was on the kop in 1971 when united took it over and I moved to the scratching shed, think it cost 6d. Someone mentioned the cup game when we won 5-1, I thought Charlton played that game scoring their goal.
Did not mention 1974 and Charlton could have been a sub 54 years ago is a long time
 
Hi Thornton. they didn't have subs 54yrs ago. Never said you mentioned 1974, it was Basilrobbie.
 
I remember going back one season and the handrails and white stripes had been painted and we thought it was real progress 😆
 
Kopite is correct. The 74 game v Man Utd was 100% all ticket with the whole of the kop 16k tickets given to the Mancs. Total attendance was 22k. I know because I was there!
The boards decision was a disaster because we ended getting hammered 3-0 on the pitch and there was a load of trouble in the surrounding streets.
 
I think the definition of a Kop varies, it isn't just an end. As a true Kop Liverpoo's was the biggest followed by Sheff Wed, then us.

I think the magnificent Celtic Park had the largest end, but wasn't a kop.

All from memory....
Originally to be a Kop, it had to sit on an earth banking and had to sweep straight back on one incline (ie. no separation as with a two tiered stand).
The image below is of Spion Kop mountain in South Africa.
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