The Marv conundrum

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If we continue to play it out from the back like we did first half and other games (though not second half interestingly) can we please only give it to Marv in emergencies.
He is our best defender, great interceptions, last ditch tackes/headers etc but he is not Maldini. He panics when he is on the ball, either dithers on it for ten seconds then plays it to a player who is under pressure or hoofs an aimless ball long. Why are we giving him the ball?
We can either drop our best defender or change the way we play.
 
It's not a conundrum for me. He has been awful this season and last season and can't play out with the ball which is what we need him to do. As a result his defensive abilities aren't really relevant to the argument. Ideally he would play as a 2 with a ball playing partner but If we keep a 3 then for me he has to be dropped unfortunately.
 
Norburn must come deep to take the ball from the defence and use it. And I don't mean he should just sit in the defence - what was that about! Nobody ever asked Wilson or Cohen to put the ball up to the forwards. That was for Stiles and Ball to do.
 
tommytwojags said:
He's our best defender and the worst passer of a ball I've ever seen.
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He's not the worst passer, he just doesn't have quick enough feet/head when put under pressure. The lack of movement in front of him leaves him with few options and invariably puts him under pressure. We need more than just Norburn coming back and offering an outlet because teams are realising that stopping Norburn taking the ball stops Blackpool building from the back!
 
One thing is for certain, he won’t get any better at anything whilst the fans are getting on his back the moment he has the ball.

Teams are purposely giving him time and blocking most options to start a press. It’s going to take time to get this right…give it chance.
 
RambleFan said:
2nd half Grimshaw played as the defensive outlet, seemed to work better. Giving Marv too much time to think is dangerous, far better when he can just react
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There were two times in the second half where he reacted quickly, because he was under pressure and let a very good pass go to send I think Morgan on his way and a second time sending a nice through ball to virtue which nearly ended in us scoring.

When he's coming out with ball, he's got no movement in front of him, Morgan and weir were both out on the wings quite deep, often behind CJ and Lyons. When it comes to them there's often no outlet because the team is concentrated wide.

Critchley I think is putting order in the defensive part but he don't half stifle the attacking part.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
There were two times in the second half where he reacted quickly, because he was under pressure and let a very good pass go to send I think Morgan on his way and a second time sending a nice through ball to virtue which nearly ended in us scoring.

When he's coming out with ball, he's got no movement in front of him, Morgan and weir were both out on the wings quite deep, often behind CJ and Lyons. When it comes to them there's often no outlet because the team is concentrated wide.

Critchley I think is putting order in the defensive part but he don't half stifle the attacking part.
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spot on. There is simply no-one for Marv to pass to. It's a system that just isn't working at the moment. A midfield that just simply isn't involved in the game. Not a single player who wants to carry the ball forward in midfield, not a midfield player who wants the ball of our back line apart from Norburn who is always tightly marked. It just means that all our passing bypasses midfield with diagonal long balls.
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
He's not the worst passer, he just doesn't have quick enough feet/head when put under pressure. The lack of movement in front of him leaves him with few options and invariably puts him under pressure. We need more than just Norburn coming back and offering an outlet because teams are realising that stopping Norburn taking the ball stops Blackpool building from the back!
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Spot on.
 
The only conundrum we have is, do we have someone to replace him because he's been dreadful since Keogh left. Calamitous sums him up.
 
In the first half it looked like Norburn was missing but in second he started getting more ball and looked more like the part and gave marv less decisions to make
 
IMO 5-3-2 is the problem not Marv. I don't know why we are so inflexible in terms of the system. The midfield is being reconstructed but it's asking a lot for young players like Morgan and Weir to come in and get up to speed straight away. I much preferred 4-2-3-1 perming any two from Norburn/Dougall/Trybull and Virtue for the defensive 2. This would release Morgan/Weir/Dale/T O-B to play in the opponents half with Lavery upfront.
 
When did this idea of rolling the ball to a defender without the ability to pass a ball, play it long and lose possession become part of Critch's masterplan. Thought we were all about fluidity and total football. Not what was on display yesterday.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Norburn must come deep to take the ball from the defence and use it. And I don't mean he should just sit in the defence - what was that about! Nobody ever asked Wilson or Cohen to put the ball up to the forwards. That was for Stiles and Ball to do.
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Crikey. I actually agree with this.
 
Seainsea said:
IMO 5-3-2 is the problem not Marv. I don't know why we are so inflexible in terms of the system. The midfield is being reconstructed but it's asking a lot for young players like Morgan and Weir to come in and get up to speed straight away. I much preferred 4-2-3-1 perming any two from Norburn/Dougall/Trybull and Virtue for the defensive 2. This would release Morgan/Weir/Dale/T O-B to play in the opponents half with Lavery upfront.
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Wow. Another one I agree with.

It's a work in progress. If Critch can watch Marv playing out from the back and not think to himself "there's something we need to address asap" then he's not a pro coach. Which he is course.

Unlike all on here.
 
Its purely down to the manager. The players are only good Marv especially, when the game is played at Tempo. Just up the tempo and job sorted.
 
Voice of Reason said:
Wow. Another one I agree with.

It's a work in progress. If Critch can watch Marv playing out from the back and not think to himself "there's something we need to address asap" then he's not a pro coach. Which he is course.

Unlike all on here.
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There may be no pro coaches on here, but there's years and years of watching football and having enough knowledge to be able to spot glaringly obvious problems.
 
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FY4MIKEH said:
There may be no pro coaches on here, but there's years and years of watching football and having enough knowledge to be able to spot glaringly obvious problems.
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Yep. Easy isn't it?

Do you read the Guardian at all?
 
I wonder if he’d be better if players in front of him actually tried moving to create space. After watching us yesterday, I watched Man City, and there’s constant movement in front of defenders to create space, almost every one of their players are moving.
 
Voice of Reason said:
Wow. Another one I agree with.

It's a work in progress. If Critch can watch Marv playing out from the back and not think to himself "there's something we need to address asap" then he's not a pro coach. Which he is course.

Unlike all on here.
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We are allowed to make sense of what we see. Then we come on here and share that view.
 
Oliver Casey looks a great deal more comfortable on the ball. When he gets the ball on the right, there seems to be no one in space ahead, so it's a Chuckle Brothers pass back to Marvin.
I thought when Andy Lyons moved to the right that Oliver seemed to have more space and options.
 
I think Marv got a raw deal in the first half. I sit behind the goal in the south: much of the time when he was on the ball there were nine static players in from of him, all marked, and not moving laterally or forward (aside: another frustration is how frequently our forward players were not looking at the ball!). The movement was non-existent. As other posters have suggested, he needs a midfield to drop to him for this to work.

Marv didn’t take the booing well, it led to several frustrated arguments with Hubby and the bench. He kept on getting put in the same position, and each time the crowd gave him less time before the moaning started. You could understand why he looked rattled. He had no other options on but to long-ball forward which is always going to be fruitless.

I think he did well defensively. If he looked ponderous on the ball, it’s because there were no obvious outlets. And that isn’t on Marv, it’s on Critch.
 
Despite bringing in a host of midfielders, I think midfield is still the problem and not Marv. He isn't the best passer, obviously, but he's clearly under instructions to pass into midfield, and yet absolutely no-one is showing for the ball. I don't know whether it's a confidence thing, or we haven't got the setup quite right. But Marv demonstrated a couple of times in the game yesterday that he actually can pick a pass when there's an option.
 
cside said:
I think Marv got a raw deal in the first half. I sit behind the goal in the south: much of the time when he was on the ball there were nine static players in from of him, all marked, and not moving laterally or forward (aside: another frustration is how frequently our forward players were not looking at the ball!). The movement was non-existent. As other posters have suggested, he needs a midfield to drop to him for this to work.

Marv didn’t take the booing well, it led to several frustrated arguments with Hubby and the bench. He kept on getting put in the same position, and each time the crowd gave him less time before the moaning started. You could understand why he looked rattled. He had no other options on but to long-ball forward which is always going to be fruitless.

I think he did well defensively. If he looked ponderous on the ball, it’s because there were no obvious outlets. And that isn’t on Marv, it’s on Critch.
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Spot on this. Crtich needs to sort the situation, or it'll wreck his confidence.
 
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