The Most Confusing Part for Me

AmericanTangerine

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Is that Critchley has never ONCE played 3-5-2, 3-4-3 or any of its variations successfully in his career.

Why the insistence now? Sure we’ve had some good results and performances with it but we’ve had equally as many poor ones too.

He hasn’t had one successful period in his career utilizing the setup.

His best runs with us before we’re with 4-4-2.

I’d cut him some more slack if he’d had a good spell using 3-4-3/3-5-2 but he hasn’t which is why his stint now is so mind boggling.

It’s clearly not working consistently enough so why persist?
 
I seem to remember him starting off with a 3-5-2 in his first spell, then shortly after realising it was ineffective, he switched to 4-4-2.
 
No excuse having Dembele on the bench and Virtue, Connolly on the pitch. Peterborough seemed to have a good few skillful players and our only one is benched!
Virtue never found his man and all Connolly could do was boot it in the sky to a blue shirt.
 
No excuse having Dembele on the bench and Virtue, Connolly on the pitch. Peterborough seemed to have a good few skillful players and our only one is benched!
Virtue never found his man and all Connolly could do was boot it in the sky to a blue shirt.
Virtue and Connolly are unfortunately League Two standard players.

They are the kind of players you’d bring on for extra ‘legs’ in the last 10/15 minutes of games when we’re leading and need to see the game out.
 
Peterborough play 4-2-3-1 which we literally have the players to play. They pass it around nicely, although I don’t agree with the unnecessary possession they have in stupid areas. Anyone who has a bit of quality beat Peterborough with the mistakes they made consistently in the second half.

Connolly and Husband spent the entire half playing these god awful diagonal balls. That generally didn’t go anywhere near our players.
 
Virtue and Connolly are unfortunately League Two standard players.

They are the kind of players you’d bring on for extra ‘legs’ in the last 10/15 minutes of games when we’re leading and need to see the game out.
True
And we bring on our best player with 30 mins to go!
 
Playing 3 at the back with Connelly and husband included in it was a recipe for disaster those long balls just kept coming back and had it not been for O'Donnell we'd of lost by a lot more Ekpiteta saved us as well those two must of had a very frustrating night.
 
Yeh i dont really get where the 352/343 has come from. Pre season we should have been a nailed on 4231 but then we let some players go and brought some in so our squad has moved away from that a bit. We would have to go Dembele and CJ as the wingers in every match cos we dont have anyone else to do it really. Joseph/Lavery whilst okay as a wide forwards are absolutely not wingers. I still think it would be worth a go though. Interestingly we did go 442 last night just before the penalty but that finished it for us anyway.
 
Peterborough play 4-2-3-1 which we literally have the players to play. They pass it around nicely, although I don’t agree with the unnecessary possession they have in stupid areas. Anyone who has a bit of quality beat Peterborough with the mistakes they made consistently in the second half.

Connolly and Husband spent the entire half playing these god awful diagonal balls. That generally didn’t go anywhere near our players.
Peterborough were playing in a manner that was quite risky, particularly behind their 18 yard line: but they often had 5 or maybe 6 players involved and quite stretched out with options to the opposite side and to the front, the midfield are fully involved and they had the capacity to turn a move quickly into attack, our press needed to be four or five players in layers, with the midfield and the wing backs providing a second layer. Peterborough made enough mistakes whilst pissing about last night, that critchley and his team should have seen it and taken action. If Peterborough had been caught a couple of times they would have probably gone a bit more direct and probably tried to play more long balls.

We have a very tight routine for playing out from the back, which is incredibly predictable and relatively easy to press with just a couple of players, our midfield isnt really involved in the playing out because they are so far advanced and relatively static and particularly our so called anchor player doesn't move from a zone which is about ten yards through the centre of the pitch, so hubby in particular ends up getting the ball and having no options, also because coulson is usually not available to play to. With Connolly on the other side he doesn't have a great deal of vision so whatever he does is likely to mean a pass back from whence it came or a long pass (hoof) forward. I'm pretty sure that these routines are practiced they are just too predictable to not be, players have set positions on the pitch where they are supposed to be in these situations. Peterborough on the other hand were playing with a level of freedom in those areas which we cannot muster or the players are too scared of making a mistake, which ultimately leads them to making even more bigger mistakes.

Players are not played to their strengths whatever they may be, and at least three players last night were just passengers and yet two of them stayed on till the end.

its a cup competition - a semi final - and nothing to lose already being a goal down, why not bring on a third striker instead of the wholesale like for like changes and just go for it.
 
Peterborough were playing in a manner that was quite risky, particularly behind their 18 yard line: but they often had 5 or maybe 6 players involved and quite stretched out with options to the opposite side and to the front, the midfield are fully involved and they had the capacity to turn a move quickly into attack, our press needed to be four or five players in layers, with the midfield and the wing backs providing a second layer. Peterborough made enough mistakes whilst pissing about last night, that critchley and his team should have seen it and taken action. If Peterborough had been caught a couple of times they would have probably gone a bit more direct and probably tried to play more long balls.

We have a very tight routine for playing out from the back, which is incredibly predictable and relatively easy to press with just a couple of players, our midfield isnt really involved in the playing out because they are so far advanced and relatively static and particularly our so called anchor player doesn't move from a zone which is about ten yards through the centre of the pitch, so hubby in particular ends up getting the ball and having no options, also because coulson is usually not available to play to. With Connolly on the other side he doesn't have a great deal of vision so whatever he does is likely to mean a pass back from whence it came or a long pass (hoof) forward. I'm pretty sure that these routines are practiced they are just too predictable to not be, players have set positions on the pitch where they are supposed to be in these situations. Peterborough on the other hand were playing with a level of freedom in those areas which we cannot muster or the players are too scared of making a mistake, which ultimately leads them to making even more bigger mistakes.

Players are not played to their strengths whatever they may be, and at least three players last night were just passengers and yet two of them stayed on till the end.

its a cup competition - a semi final - and nothing to lose already being a goal down, why not bring on a third striker instead of the wholesale like for like changes and just go for it.
Exactly literally a meaningless cup and we couldn’t line up in a way that at least tried to win.

Just hoofing the ball forward with no goal.
 
The lack of HT changes is what bugs me the most. Last night and Cheltenham were crying out for a change of tactics, personnel or even just attitude.
 
The lack of HT changes is what bugs me the most. Last night and Cheltenham were crying out for a change of tactics, personnel or even just attitude.
A half time change in personnel is a slight possibility. If its a change of tactics or attitude you’re anticipating, I’m afraid you’ll be in for a very long wait, which will likely end in disappointment.😁
 
Peterborough play 4-2-3-1 which we literally have the players to play. They pass it around nicely, although I don’t agree with the unnecessary possession they have in stupid areas. Anyone who has a bit of quality beat Peterborough with the mistakes they made consistently in the second half.

Connolly and Husband spent the entire half playing these god awful diagonal balls. That generally didn’t go anywhere near our players.
Their back 6 (defenders and 2 deep midfielders) sucked us in time after time and then hit us quickly once we were out of shape

Captain Boring on the touchline couldn't see that but thousands watching from the stands and TV could
 
I seem to remember him starting off with a 3-5-2 in his first spell, then shortly after realising it was ineffective, he switched to 4-4-2.
Calderwood was probably as baffled as us and eventually talked a bit of sense into him.these two clowns are just yes men.no good to the club.
 
I just wonder if it's to do with personnel and actually we have better in some areas than others.
Am no fan of Critchley or the formation but wonder if he has to deal with the hand he was dealt and if next season that might change with new personnel.
 
Is that Critchley has never ONCE played 3-5-2, 3-4-3 or any of its variations successfully in his career.

Why the insistence now? Sure we’ve had some good results and performances with it but we’ve had equally as many poor ones too.

He hasn’t had one successful period in his career utilizing the setup.

His best runs with us before we’re with 4-4-2.

I’d cut him some more slack if he’d had a good spell using 3-4-3/3-5-2 but he hasn’t which is why his stint now is so mind boggling.

It’s clearly not working consistently enough so why persist?
It seemed more like a 4-2-3-1 in his previous spell here … that’s why he signed players like Dale, Bowler,Anderson,CJ,Ward,Kirk etc they can all play in the 3 behind the 1 !! He should try that again …. It would suit Dembele … he could be great floating around in that 3 👍
 
I just wonder if it's to do with personnel and actually we have better in some areas than others.
Am no fan of Critchley or the formation but wonder if he has to deal with the hand he was dealt and if next season that might change with new personnel.
Don’t think so, more than 1/3 the squad we have now was here during his last stint where we played 4/4/2.

Think he’s just being stubborn.
 
I just wonder if it's to do with personnel and actually we have better in some areas than others.
Am no fan of Critchley or the formation but wonder if he has to deal with the hand he was dealt and if next season that might change with new personnel.

You can't walk into a club with your preferred formation and play it regardless of whether you actually have the personnel to play it or not
You have to find a formation and style of play to suit the players at your disposal.

Mad Mick did exactly the same, we simply didn't have the players to play his route one shite. Something that the owner, board, director of football etc should have seen a mile off.
 
I think Critch and his two assistants base all their decisions on the data, one of them clued to the iPad for the latest stats. The system of 3 at the back is the most successful at the moment in football according to the stats, zonal marking is the most successful way of marking according to the stats. Never leaving anyone upfront at a corner is due to the stats. Using subs at 70mins again is due to stats. Players are picked for the team based on the stats. The big problem with stats-based decisions is that it is based on the past, and successful managers have the knack of seeing what is happening now and making the big decisions quickly that can win games. Maybe none of the current team have that ability, and we have only had Calderwood in recent times that maybe has had it.
 
Developing a coaching philosophy is possibly as much about the journey as the destination, but unfortunately NC seems to be stuck in second gear.
 
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