The Spectator - Rashford

[Wizaard]

Child Poverty. Just dreadful parents in my opinion. With the safety net of the welfare state and generous rates if you have kids I’m not having it that any kids can’t be fed three times a day if the parents gave a toss.

Could you bring up kids on the generous (sic) £74 a week? Don't forget this Government only pays child benefit (c£20 a week) for two kids. Any more and you get nothing.

Utter, utter bollox of a post.

What happens if you have three or four kids and a well paid job, then lose that job because, I don't know, there's a world wide pandemic?

Think that through.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

Child Poverty. Just dreadful parents in my opinion. With the safety net of the welfare state and generous rates if you have kids I’m not having it that any kids can’t be fed three times a day if the parents gave a toss.

Yes, let's starve the children to teach those feckless parents a lesson.

 

[coppiceman]

He's going in hospital for a shoulder operation.

I look forward to seeing him being criticised for taking up a valuable bed that could go to an old war veteran.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

He's going in hospital for a shoulder operation.

I look forward to seeing him being criticised for taking up a valuable bed that could go to an old war veteran.

He's probably going private, which will be another thing held against him.

 

[traffordtang]

If there is a serious case that someone in sport can make massive gains in their profile by tackling child hunger/poverty (or, creating the perception of doing so) then surely, what that suggests is that child poverty is quite a big issue...

If Danny Ings suddenly started banging on about, I dunno, wheelie bins in gender neutral colours or something, I doubt he'd see a great boost in his profile.

Whatever Rashford's motives, his popularity highlights a perception of a growing issue. As far as I know, the statistic are fairly stark. Child poverty really blossoms under Thatcherism, slows and reduces a bit for a while under labour and the goes up fairly steadily from 2008ish.

This is a bigger issue really than the finer points of Rashford's motives and the tax system.

Which is exactly the reason why people(or bots) like lost Seasiders turn up on football message boards trying to discredit him.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

Marcus Rashford tops Sunday Times Giving List after raising £20m to tackle food poverty

www.civilsociety.co.uk

I'm not sure why anyone would want to criticize Rashford unless they had an ulterior motive. Whatever way you look at it he has had a positive influence on people's lives and he has never made any party political statement. All he did 'wrong' in the eyes of some was to help feed and educate under privileged children. As if he actually needs any more publicity than he already has. This is another whopping smear after the false allegations about his tax affairs.

 

[Killingmesoftly]

I’ve not read this thread as I can’t really be arsed…for me, i’ll always now associate him with that shit penalty, when it mattered he fuked it up….

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

He's going in hospital for a shoulder operation.

I look forward to seeing him being criticised for taking up a valuable bed that could go to an old war veteran.

He injured his shoulder on purpose as part of a PR campaign to increase his media profile.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Marcus Rashford tops Sunday Times Giving List after raising £20m to tackle food poverty

www.civilsociety.co.uk

I'm not sure why anyone would want to criticize Rashford unless they had an ulterior motive. Whatever way you look at it he has had a positive influence on people's lives and he has never made any party political statement. All he did 'wrong' in the eyes of some was to help feed and educate under privileged children. As if he actually needs any more publicity than he already has. This is another whopping smear after the false allegations about his tax affairs.

Interesting that he's managed to end up top on a giving list on the strength of having solicited donations, it's not clear how much if any he has donated himself.

He injured his shoulder on purpose as part of a PR campaign to increase his media profile.

I doubt Roc Nation could do that, I suspect that his club might've had something to say about it.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Marcus Rashford tops Sunday Times Giving List after raising £20m to tackle food poverty

www.civilsociety.co.uk

Apologies for replying to the same post twice, but I've looked into this and the claim that "he helped to raise £20m for FareShare" looks on the face of it more than a little bit dodgy.

From the Charity Commission: Fareshare

Total income for y/e 31/03/2020 £16m, if you dig down into the accounts most of that is corporate and similar, individual donations are only about £300k.

So the question is what does "helped to raise £20m for FareShare" mean?

Has Fareshare's income jumped from £16m to £36m for the y/e 31/03/2021? I have my doubts and we don't have accounts to check at this stage, but even if this were the case, how does one apportion between Rashford's efforts, and all other fundraising efforts by the charity during the year, and is it really appropriate to claim 100% for Rashford?

More likely IMO, is that the total charity income for the year was £20m, in which case Rashford (or rather Roc Nation) has attached his name to an existing charity with an income of about £20m/year, and then claimed that all of this charity income was in fact down to him. I hope I don't have to explain the obvious problems with this.

Which goes back to the fundamental point I raise about (almost) everything: don't take what you see in the media at face value, doubt it, check it and find out what's really going on, the truth is usually vastly different from the headline.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

Apologies for replying to the same post twice, but I've looked into this and the claim that "he helped to raise £20m for FareShare" looks on the face of it more than a little bit dodgy.

From the Charity Commission: Fareshare

Total income for y/e 31/03/2020 £16m, if you dig down into the accounts most of that is corporate and similar, individual donations are only about £300k.

So the question is what does "helped to raise £20m for FareShare" mean?

Has Fareshare's income jumped from £16m to £36m for the y/e 31/03/2021? I have my doubts and we don't have accounts to check at this stage, but even if this were the case, how does one apportion between Rashford's efforts, and all other fundraising efforts by the charity during the year, and is it really appropriate to claim 100% for Rashford?

More likely IMO, is that the total charity income for the year was £20m, in which case Rashford (or rather Roc Nation) has attached his name to an existing charity with an income of about £20m/year, and then claimed that all of this charity income was in fact down to him. I hope I don't have to explain the obvious problems with this.

Which goes back to the fundamental point I raise about (almost) everything: don't take what you see in the media at face value, doubt it, check it and find out what's really going on, the truth is usually vastly different from the headline.

Fair enough but there doesn't really seem to be any dirt on Rashford however far you dig.
So far we have found out;
1] His tax affairs are all in order despite attempt to smear him
2] Thar there is no evidence that his charitable works are anything other than altruistic despite attempts to smear him
3] That he has topped the Sunday Times list of charitable givers in 2020 based on the criteria that they use

No 3 gives rise to another poor attempt to smear him from Lost. What is wrong with you?

 

[Wizaard]

Fair enough but there doesn't really seem to be any dirt on Rashford however far you dig.
So far we have found out;
1] His tax affairs are all in order despite attempt to smear him
2] Thar there is no evidence that his charitable works are anything other than altruistic despite attempts to smear him
3] That he has topped the Sunday Times list of charitable givers in 2020 based on the criteria that they use

No 3 gives rise to another poor attempt to smear him from Lost. What is wrong with you?

Which goes back to the fundamental point I raise about (almost) everything: don't take what you see from Lost Seasider at face value, doubt it, check it and find out what's really going on, the truth is usually vastly different from the headline.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Fair enough but there doesn't really seem to be any dirt on Rashford however far you dig.
So far we have found out;
1] His tax affairs are all in order despite attempt to smear him
2] Thar there is no evidence that his charitable works are anything other than altruistic despite attempts to smear him
3] That he has topped the Sunday Times list of charitable givers in 2020 based on the criteria that they use

No 3 gives rise to another poor attempt to smear him from Lost. What is wrong with you?

Don't you get it? You're being lied to.

He's claiming to have raised £20m for Fareshare, apparently based on the fact that it's their annual income and he's involved with them as an ambassador and somehow this means that everything they've raised is down to him.

He's used this spurious claim to get himself promoted to #1 in a "giving list" ahead of people who've given tens if not hundreds of millions of their own money to charity, I suspect that if CAF were to take a close look at this they would remove him from their ranking list.

It's grade A bulls***.

Here's an link for you: Cancer Research UK

It's a very important subject and I urge everybody to donate as much as they can.

Hey, I've just help raise £500m for Cancer Research, aren't I good.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

I’ve not read this thread as I can’t really be arsed…for me, i’ll always now associate him with that shit penalty, when it mattered he fuked it up….

Killingmesoftly

I laughed at your response before but apologise for doing so as you hit the nail on the head with what say.

Don't get me wrong, any footballer can miss a penalty, far better footballers than Rashford have done so in the past and I'm sure they will do so again in the future.

Criticism when failing to deliver is part of the job for all those involved in professional support and especially in high profile sports and in high profile events.

We were allowed to laugh at the likes of Jean van de Velde after he blew an opportunity to win the Open and Steve Davis when he missed a relatively easy black against Dennis Taylor and we weren't told to feel sorry for them.

I'd imagine if Harry Maguire had missed his penalty we would have been allowed to say that, "Slabhead made a cnut of his pen" or words to that effect but because Rashford happens to be black, you are not allowed to say something like, "What the feck was that silly dance he did, why didn't he just run up and smash it" or "He fcuked it up" as you suggest.

I have no problem if folk want to go with the, "How brave was he to volunteer" line but his penalty had feck all to do with his skin colour and once you are involved in an event and make a cnut of it then folk should be allowed to say you made a cnut of it without facing ridiculous accusations of racism.

Why do so many on here appear so determined to introduce non existent race angles ?

 

[SEASIDE2020]

Don't you get it? You're being lied to.

He's claiming to have raised £20m for Fareshare, apparently based on the fact that it's their annual income and he's involved with them as an ambassador and somehow this means that everything they've raised is down to him.

He's used this spurious claim to get himself promoted to #1 in a "giving list" ahead of people who've given tens if not hundreds of millions of their own money to charity.

It's grade A bulls***.

Here's an link for you: Cancer Research UK

It's a very important subject and I urge everybody to donate as much as they can.

Hey, I've just help raise £500m for Cancer Research, aren't I good.

Lost

Fair points but maybe we shouldn't be too harsh on Rashford.

I'm sure he means well whether you or I may question some of his actions.

I certainly know where you are coming from but without going into exact figures, he can be afforded praise if he has inspired the raising of a large sum of money without making a significant contribution from his own funds*.



* For the benefit of the tape, I am not suggesting that Marcus Rashford does not or has not contributed to worthwhile causes out of his own pocket, my point is that we can praise him for helping to raise significant sums of money without considering his own personal donations which may very well be considerable sums.

 

[Lost Seasider]

I certainly know where you are coming from but without going into exact figures, he can be afforded praise if he has inspired the raising of a large sum of money without making a significant contribution from his own funds*.

The point is that it's doubtful he's even done that.

His name has been associated with an existing charity that raises about £15m - £20m annually, on the strength of that it appears to be claimed that everything they raise is down to him, it's like the Duchess of Cambridge claiming to raise £150,000,000 for Action for Children on the strength of her being an ambassador for them.

One does not need to go into exact figures to realise that something fishy is going on here.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

The point is that it's doubtful he's even done that.

His name has been associated with an existing charity that raises about £15m - £20m annually, on the strength of that it appears to be claimed that everything they raise is down to him, it's like the Duchess of Cambridge claiming to raise £150,000,000 for Action for Children on the strength of her being an ambassador for them.

One does not need to go into exact figures to realise that something fishy is going on here.

Lost

I'm generally in agreement with you.

I just don't think that we should go overboard with criticism of Rashford, I'd imagine he means well and that there are far worse humans than him whether or not you and I may question some of his actions.

He has clearly been put on a pedestal on here and it's clear that he's not to be criticised but I'd imagine that's more to do with his political leaning than anything else.

Plenty others have done more for charity than Rashford ever will but their charitable efforts won't get a mention.

 

[Killingmesoftly]

Killingmesoftly

I laughed at your response before but apologise for doing so as you hit the nail on the head with what say.

Don't get me wrong, any footballer can miss a penalty, far better footballers than Rashford have done so in the past and I'm sure they will do so again in the future.

Criticism when failing to deliver is part of the job for all those involved in professional support and especially in high profile sports and in high profile events.

We were allowed to laugh at the likes of Jean van de Velde after he blew an opportunity to win the Open and Steve Davis when he missed a relatively easy black against Dennis Taylor and we weren't told to feel sorry for them.

I'd imagine if Harry Maguire had missed his penalty we would have been allowed to say that, "Slabhead made a cnut of his pen" or words to that effect but because Rashford happens to be black, you are not allowed to say something like, "What the feck was that silly dance he did, why didn't he just run up and smash it" or "He fcuked it up" as you suggest.

I have no problem if folk want to go with the, "How brave was he to volunteer" line but his penalty had feck all to do with his skin colour and once you are involved in an event and make a cnut of it then folk should be allowed to say you made a cnut of it without facing ridiculous accusations of racism.

Why do so many on here appear so determined to introduce non existent race angles ?

It was just a shit penalty, at least get it on target and make the keeper save it…..if maguire had done the same I would react the same…nothing to do with colour….

 

[SEASIDE2020]

It was just a shit penalty, at least get it on target and make the keeper save it…..if maguire had done the same I would react the same…nothing to do with colour….

Killing

Exactly, it was a chite penalty, no need to hang him, as I've already said they are far better players than Rashford who have missed penalties in big games but it was a chite penalty and you should expect a bit of criticism in the circumstances, rightly or wrongly not everybody is going to go down the, "How brave was he" route and a few weapons are going to go OTT with the abuse.

Nothing to do with the colour of his skin and it goes without saying that the racial abuse he received from a small number of even bigger weapons was completely unacceptable.

 

[bollieboy]

Not sure on the veracity of this but if true it looks like the Spectator has been victim of a wind-up.

The author is a comedienne (with connections to an erstwhile AVFTT poster.)

What ever happened to that Spectator article about Marcus Rashford?

You may recall the hoo-hah the other week about Marcus Rashford and a Spectator story. Rashford tweeted that the Spectator were preparing to run a story about him but strangely the story then never appeared. So what was it all about, and what happened to the story? Well I’ll have to take you...

sunbeamsoutofcucumbers.substack.com

 

[Wizaard]

Lost

Fair points but maybe we shouldn't be too harsh on Rashford.

I'm sure he means well whether you or I may question some of his actions.

I certainly know where you are coming from but without going into exact figures, he can be afforded praise if he has inspired the raising of a large sum of money without making a significant contribution from his own funds*.



* For the benefit of the tape, I am not suggesting that Marcus Rashford does not or has not contributed to worthwhile causes out of his own pocket, my point is that we can praise him for helping to raise significant sums of money without considering his own personal donations which may very well be considerable sums.

Rashford hadn't claimed anything. The likes of the people who compile these things have done it.

See also the Times Rich List having the Oystons on it.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

Rashford hadn't claimed anything. The likes of the people who compile these things have done it.

See also the Times Rich List having the Oystons on it.

Wiz

I didn't suggest he had claimed anything and said to Lost that we shouldn't be too harsh on him.

 

[TomGxPool]

Wiz

I didn't suggest he had claimed anything and said to Lost that we shouldn't be too harsh on him.

Harsh about what, exactly? Not doing the things he's being accused of? I suppose it's one approach, but it lacks a bit in terms of fairness, dontcha think?

 

[SEASIDE2020]

Harsh about what, exactly? Not doing the things he's being accused of? I suppose it's one approach, but it lacks a bit in terms of fairness, dontcha think?

Tom

It doesn't lack fairness in the slightest.

I said that we shouldn't be too harsh on Marcus Rashford whether he had made huge charitable contributions from his own personal wealth or whether he had inspired others to make contributions.

If you think that lacks fairness then so be it.

I hope you are enjoying the forum.

 

[Lost Seasider]

I'd be interested to know how you happened to come across the blog you link, it might give a few further clues about it's origin, anyway:

Not sure on the veracity of this but if true it looks like the Spectator has been victim of a wind-up.

The author is a comedienne (with connections to an erstwhile AVFTT poster.)

What ever happened to that Spectator article about Marcus Rashford?

You may recall the hoo-hah the other week about Marcus Rashford and a Spectator story. Rashford tweeted that the Spectator were preparing to run a story about him but strangely the story then never appeared. So what was it all about, and what happened to the story? Well I’ll have to take you...

sunbeamsoutofcucumbers.substack.com

Two options spring to mind:

• un-named and otherwise unknown blog with one and only post is making stuff up for whatever reason;
• said blog is actually telling truth and accidentally stumbled upon story that was being worked on anyway;

personally I suspect the former but the latter is at least plausible.

There's at least one potentially major problem with the blog's claim, in that "Wokeyleaks" (the starting point for the blog) started in January 2021, but my earlier link on the subject predates that by about a month and Daily Mail articles go back further still, thus your link is cliaming to have invented a story that was bubbling away already.

In any event, rather than speculation about motives, what is rather more solid is that the claims about him having raised £20m for Fareshare appear to be wildly exaggerated, and demonstrably so.