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Any chance that Pool would find that all important booster to their finances and ultimate status, disappeared when the enterprise was ludicrously awarded to East Manchester. Gordon Brown scrapped it on the spot. He was willing to proceed had it gone to Blackpool, recognising that it was a good fit. The impact would have been transformational. An expanded Airport, to cater for High Rollers flying in from everywhere, with thousands of jobs created in the services and support sectors. It would have been built just about in time to coincide with Pool’s elevation to the PL. The demand for tickets would have gone through the roof as football would have been one of the main attractions on offer. But it didn’t happen 😳
 
That result was a complete travesty as it went completely off brief that the gov't wanted a resort destination in need to redevelopment and crucially away from big conurbations
It was so warped you had a winner who never expected win
I know casinos bring issues however notwithstanding that what a tragedy for the town
 
This would have been massive for Blackpool and it was scandalous that it was hijacked by the Government. I don't know if the concept could be revived at some point because it would have been a big draw for the resort.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Attitude’s towards gambling are pretty frosty these days and rightly so really. In many ways I think people have clung onto the idea of the super-casino concept in the absence of an alternative really.
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Quite possibly, but to face facts the worlds biggest casino is the stock market, and the second biggest is probably your phone.

Either could be argued as number one.

People don’t have to get out of bed anymore to gamble.

Yes, there are negatives - but would the positives out weigh the negatives??

Imagine a place in Blackpool that could possibly / likely hold a world title fight, a place that could maybe host the worlds biggest music stars - after all, on every corner and in most pubs there is a slot machine.

I know I bang on about Singapore, but they built a Super Casino and have managed the risks.

…and made Billions in the process!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Attitude’s towards gambling are pretty frosty these days and rightly so really. In many ways I think people have clung onto the idea of the super-casino concept in the absence of an alternative really.
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Really well put. I think it’s time to move on from gambling solutions.
 
seasideone said:
Quite possibly, but to face facts the worlds biggest casino is the stock market, and the second biggest is probably your phone.

Either could be argued as number one.

People don’t have to get out of bed anymore to gamble.

Yes, there are negatives - but would the positives out weigh the negatives??

Imagine a place in Blackpool that could possibly / likely hold a world title fight, a place that could maybe host the worlds biggest music stars - after all, on every corner and in most pubs there is a slot machine.

I know I bang on about Singapore, but they built a Super Casino and have managed the risks.

…and made Billions in the process!!
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I'm not sure it is strictly correct to refer to the Stock Market in exactly the same context as a 'Casino' or Gambling, in the strictest sense. The business model of a Casino and / any Gambling establishment is to make a profit and therefore take a proportion of every pound you spend. There's no possibility of winning on a slot machine or a roulette wheel... Ultimately you are ging to lose money... It's inevitable.

From what I've seen they seem to have a growing problem with Gambling and Gambling Addiction over there in Singapore, so they may me making Billions, but lives are being negatively affected in the process.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure it is strictly correct to refer to the Stock Market in exactly the same context as a 'Casino' or Gambling, in the strictest sense. The business model of a Casino and / any Gambling establishment is to make a profit and therefore take a proportion of every pound you spend. There's no possibility of winning on a slot machine or a roulette wheel... Ultimately you are ging to lose money... It's inevitable.

From what I've seen they seem to have a growing problem with Gambling and Gambling Addiction over there in Singapore, so they may me making Billions, but lives are being negatively affected in the process.
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The stock market has many ways to gamble - many derivatives such as CFDs which give you leverage and are a gamble - look up the stats, most retail traders lose on CFDs.

I agree it’s a different type of gamble and not long term investing, where as a Casino knows the odds and mathematics always win - it’s generally why they are fitted out so well and can afford best in class!!

I haven’t seen a Singapore problem with gambling after living there for 10 plus years, and I am not saying some do not have issues - that said I am sure you can find some report to back up anything.

Blackpool needs an internal solution to its redevelopment away from Gov hand outs.

IMHO I would build the dam thing and take the downside it may bring.

I genuinely believe the positives out way the negatives for our town.

I would also have a local tax on the casino/business that must be spent on projects or needs within the FY postcode, so locals benefit.

We have Casinos in the town already, so if you are that desperate to go - you can!

Anyone got any better ideas on how to generate Billions for Blackpool?
 
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seasideone said:
The stock market has many ways to gamble - many derivatives such as CFDs which give you leverage and are a gamble - look up the stats, most retail traders lose on CFDs.

I agree it’s a different type of gamble and not long term investing, where as a Casino knows the odds and mathematics always win - it’s generally why they are fitted out so well and can afford best in class!!

I haven’t seen a Singapore problem with gambling after living there for 10 plus years, and I am not saying some have issues - that said I am sure you can find some report to back up anything.

Blackpool needs an internal solution to its redevelopment away from Gov hand outs.

IMHO I would build the dam thing and take the downside it may bring.

I genuinely believe the positives out way the negatives for our town.

I would also have a local tax on the casino/business that must be spent on projects or needs within the FY postcode, so locals benefit.

We have Casinos in the town already, so if you are that desperate to go - you can!

Anyone got any better ideas on how to generate Billions for Blackpool?
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I don't want to get into a massive debate with you about it.... The stock market has no ways to gamble... The stock market provides investment options with a range of different risk profiles. That doesn't mean that the trading in stocks or derivatives doesn't pose a risk, because it obviously does, however the underlying principle that sits behind the Stock Market is very different to that of a Casino (which is strictly about extracting money from the customer... There is no upside potential.

You don't need to search far... Singapore has the third highest 'Gambling Losses Per Capita' in the world, behind Australia and Hong Kong..

As far as I'm concerned, Blackpool has a big enough problem with addiction already, without throwing more vice into the mix. The results will simply be more misery, crime and deprivation over the longer term.


We need investment, but lets get some clean investment and something that will move the Town forwards....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don't want to get into a massive debate with you about it.... The stock market has no ways to gamble... The stock market provides investment options with a range of different risk profiles. That doesn't mean that the trading in stocks or derivatives doesn't pose a risk, because it obviously does, however the underlying principle that sits behind the Stock Market is very different to that of a Casino (which is strictly about extracting money from the customer... There is no upside potential.

You don't need to search far... Singapore has the third highest 'Gambling Losses Per Capita' in the world, behind Australia and Hong Kong..

As far as I'm concerned, Blackpool has a big enough problem with addiction already, without throwing more vice into the mix. The results will simply be more misery, crime and deprivation over the longer term.


We need investment, but let’s get some clean investment and something that will move the Town forwards....
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For many Options trades are calculated using probability- not an opinion.

That’s gambling.

Anyway - I am still waiting to hear anyone’s viable other option!!!

Many brokerage no longer lay off CFDs because the mathematics say they will win - exactly the same as a Casino.

Obviously someone will get lucky on occasion!
 
seasideone said:
For many Options trades are calculated using probability- not an opinion.

That’s gambling.

Anyway - I am still waiting to hear anyone’s viable other option!!!

Many brokerage no longer lay off CFDs because the mathematics say they will win - exactly the same as a Casino.

Obviously someone will get lucky on occasion!
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I'm sorry mate, you don't seem to be making much sense here... Every outcome has a potential 'probability'... Simply having a probability doesn't make something 'gambling'. CFD trading seems to be banned in the US... My only experience of CFD's is in the Energy Markets, where they have been used in conjunction with the Government to encourage green generation technology.

There doesn't need to be an immediate and 'viable' other option. This isn't an either / or situation.... I mean Legalising Cocaine sales and changing Blackpool's name to Snow City would most likely bring in billions, but that doesn't mean it would be the right thing to do (whether there's a viable alternative or not).
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm sorry mate, you don't seem to be making much sense here... Every outcome has a potential 'probability'... Simply having a probability doesn't make something 'gambling'. CFD trading seems to be banned in the US... My only experience of CFD's is in the Energy Markets, where they have been used in conjunction with the Government to encourage green generation technology.

There doesn't need to be an immediate and 'viable' other option. This isn't an either / or situation.... I mean Legalising Cocaine sales and changing Blackpool's name to Snow City would most likely bring in billions, but that doesn't mean it would be the right thing to do (whether there's a viable alternative or not).
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I can’t help it if you cannot follow sense - sorry!

CFDs are not used in the US - they just use an option equivalent - same thing.

They are just marketed different and brings it under a legal control. It’s just polotics.

It’s exactly the same though in reality for the person placing the bet!

Apart from Snow City - do you have any better ideas - as nobody seems to?

Cocaine isn’t legal either - gambling is!

No interest in the moral argument - do you have a legal alternative as to how a Super Casino could boost Blackpool massively financially?
 
Could have ended up with a 2 billion dollar stadium like the Vegas Raiders have now if the casino had been built here. You wonder if that’s what Owen Oy***n was always banging on about building all along!!
 
seasideone said:
I can’t help it if you cannot follow sense - sorry!

CFDs are not used in the US - they just use an option equivalent - same thing.

They are just marketed different and brings it under a legal control. It’s just polotics.

It’s exactly the same though in reality for the person placing the bet!

Apart from Snow City - do you have any better ideas - as nobody seems to?

Cocaine isn’t legal either - gambling is!

No interest in the moral argument - do you have a legal alternative as to how a Super Casino could boost Blackpool massively financially?
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As I said, there's no point getting into a circular argument. It's not about my ability to 'follow sense' It's just you don't actually fully understand what you are talking about and therefore are unable to convey it effectively. It's no big deal.... I understand that trading has some similarities to gambling.... I also understand that it isn't gambling. BTW... Am mate of mine used to have a PoloTic (Every time he smelled peppermint he would sneeze).

I'm sure if I was paid to come up with regeneration ideas for Blackpool that given time and the right kind of research, that I could come up with a few 'better' ideas. And of course, it depends how you might define better... I get the distinct impression that in your world 'better' isgenerally related to how much money something makes or costs...

I've no real interest in the financial argument - Do you have an alternative that might be more morally acceptable?

And how would you propose to measure the negative financial consequences on peoples lives (for example the negative health and social consequences) and how would those be paid for ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As I said, there's no point getting into a circular argument. It's not about my ability to 'follow sense' It's just you don't actually fully understand what you are talking about and therefore are unable to convey it effectively. It's no big deal.... I understand that trading has some similarities to gambling.... I also understand that it isn't gambling. BTW... Am mate of mine used to have a PoloTic (Every time he smelled peppermint he would sneeze).

I'm sure if I was paid to come up with regeneration ideas for Blackpool that given time and the right kind of research, that I could come up with a few 'better' ideas. And of course, it depends how you might define better... I get the distinct impression that in your world 'better' isgenerally related to how much money something makes or costs...

I've no real interest in the financial argument - Do you have an alternative that might be more morally acceptable?

And how would you propose to measure the negative financial consequences on peoples lives (for example the negative health and social consequences) and how would those be paid for ?
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Maybe Ascot races could move here
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As I said, there's no point getting into a circular argument. It's not about my ability to 'follow sense' It's just you don't actually fully understand what you are talking about and therefore are unable to convey it effectively. It's no big deal.... I understand that trading has some similarities to gambling.... I also understand that it isn't gambling. BTW... Am mate of mine used to have a PoloTic (Every time he smelled peppermint he would sneeze).

I'm sure if I was paid to come up with regeneration ideas for Blackpool that given time and the right kind of research, that I could come up with a few 'better' ideas. And of course, it depends how you might define better... I get the distinct impression that in your world 'better' isgenerally related to how much money something makes or costs...

I've no real interest in the financial argument - Do you have an alternative that might be more morally acceptable?

And how would you propose to measure the negative financial consequences on peoples lives (for example the negative health and social consequences) and how would those be paid for ?
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It's hard to imagine how the introduction of the casinos would have made things any worse than the increased social deprivation we've seen in the last 15 years or so since that vote
Let's remember we have the lowest life expectancy and some of the poorest wards in the country
 
That’s you all over BFC x 3 - attack the person initially as you can’t attack the argument as you have no better ideas - if you do - please state them specifically.

I don’t have a better idea that would be morally acceptable to you or others - however I am happy with the moral concept of gambling and it happens to be legal as well.

You are opinionated on many things, so saying if you were paid to come up with ideas you may - with your considerably life knowledge you haven’t come up with anything - never mind close!!!
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
It's hard to imagine how the introduction of the casinos would have made things any worse than the increased social deprivation we've seen in the last 15 years or so since that vote
Let's remember we have the lowest life expectancy and some of the poorest wards in the country
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It's certainly hard to imagine if you choose to ignore it... Nobody really knows what impact it might have had on the town in reality,,,, It's not unreasonable to think it may have been a massive flop and / or even damaged the existing tourist trade. And as I alluded to above, it doesn't really make sense to introduce yet another layer of vice into a Town that is already riddled with the effects of it and with, as you correctly point out, some of the lowest Life expectancies in the country.

Of course, that's not to say that the Town would not have benefitted from much more investment and ingenuity over the last couple of decades.... Of course it would.
 
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seasideone said:
That’s you all over BFC - attack the person initially as you can’t attack the argument as you have no better ideas - if you do - please state them specifically.

I don’t have a better idea that would be morally acceptable to you or others - however I am happy with the moral concept of gambling and it happens to be legal as well.

You are opinionated on many things, so saying if you were paid to come up with ideas you may - with your considerably life knowledge you haven’t come up with anything - never mind close!!!
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I'm not attacking you... I was simply pointing out that you hadn't expressed yourself very well... That's all. You seem to want to blame me for failing to understand, when you've essentially just written some nonsense.

I mean if I said... We should open a massive cheese factory because cheese is very similar to yoghurt and that's because it has some fermentation and I believe that would be better than the Super Casino for obvious reasons.

Would any of that make sense to you?
 
The massive problem Blackpool will always have is the weather is shit and you cant change that. You cant compare Singapore with Blackpool its chalk and cheese. The only reason Blackpool was so busy back in the day was because travel was limited and it was expensive to go abroad. As soon as you could go to spain/france etc for the same price of a train fare it was the end for Blackpool. I am not saying it cant improve but it definitely needs to adapt and i think the indoor entertainment centre will be a good idea and agree a town centre arena like the Co-op arena being built in Manchester would be ideal.
 
Was back in Blackpool the other day and parked off central drive and walked in. What a depressing part of town. Areas like that just seem overlooked. I used to work at a bank there about 25 years ago and although it was always rough and ready it was nothing like it is today. I imagine parts of war torn Ukraine look more welcoming. Lovely new huge car park built about 3 minutes away that no doubt cost a fortune though.
 
I was told that the Blackpool delegation that presented the case for the town was insanely over confident and came across as though they believed it was theirs by right. All broad brush and no detail. It was ours to lose....and we did.
 
I thought it was going to be south of the pleasure beach were many of the hotels went to wrack and ruin when it was pulled just up from the solarium. It would have been fantastic IMO.
 
Altyseasider said:
The massive problem Blackpool will always have is the weather is shit and you cant change that. You cant compare Singapore with Blackpool its chalk and cheese. The only reason Blackpool was so busy back in the day was because travel was limited and it was expensive to go abroad. As soon as you could go to spain/france etc for the same price of a train fare it was the end for Blackpool. I am not saying it cant improve but it definitely needs to adapt and i think the indoor entertainment centre will be a good idea and agree a town centre arena like the Co-op arena being built in Manchester would be ideal.
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All hotels can pay a new fee, to increase tourism, a sun tax, so a cloud seeding company who on certain wet summer or other days, can use planes based at the airport to... 'make it rain' and have the sun shine even more. 🤔
 
mropinion said:
Was back in Blackpool the other day and parked off central drive and walked in. What a depressing part of town. Areas like that just seem overlooked. I used to work at a bank there about 25 years ago and although it was always rough and ready it was nothing like it is today. I imagine parts of war torn Ukraine look more welcoming. Lovely new huge car park built about 3 minutes away that no doubt cost a fortune though.
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This has been covered many times on the Blackpool improvements thread on the OT side, there's plans in place to improve revoe which includes central drive. The car park is part of the enabling stage of the Blackpool central development, which had to happen as they had to replace the lost parking from there amd enabled the rest to go ahead.

The 90 million acquired the other week may go towards that central drive redevelopment and maybe bond street.
 
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bill40 said:
I thought it was going to be south of the pleasure beach were many of the hotels went to wrack and ruin when it was pulled just up from the solarium. It would have been fantastic IMO.
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Definitely Chapel St, Bonny St, central car park area. Due to being in the immediate vicinity and directly affected we received a copy of the proposed site and layout.
 
Blackpool has a history of missing out, this and the university, both would been fantastic for the area, not just Blackpool.

The National Football museum should be here too where it would get a good footfall.
 
Altyseasider said:
The massive problem Blackpool will always have is the weather is shit and you cant change that. You cant compare Singapore with Blackpool its chalk and cheese. The only reason Blackpool was so busy back in the day was because travel was limited and it was expensive to go abroad. As soon as you could go to spain/france etc for the same price of a train fare it was the end for Blackpool. I am not saying it cant improve but it definitely needs to adapt and i think the indoor entertainment centre will be a good idea and agree a town centre arena like the Co-op arena being built in Manchester would be ideal.
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The weather is worse in Manchester and it’s flying
 
Albert Ross said:
It was, we had a cafe and catering business not 100 yards from the proposed site. We were so disgruntled when it was awarded to Madchester, we sold up. My dis had never been so gruntled.
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I remember Karl Oyston being interviewed about the decision on Radio Wave.
He was shocked and devastated.

I guess he had already had meetings which involved selling the stadium.
 
It could have gone very wrong though, especially if the council got involved, we could have been an even shitter version of Atlantic City.
 
Blackpool should have been the uk’s version of Vegas. That it wasn’t is due to greed and selfishness. Mp’s be they labour or conservative should have been in sync. Other businesses shouldn’t have been greedy and afraid and sabotaged euro Disney coming here next to the zoo. It’s been a long time since Blackpool has had good leadership.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not attacking you... I was simply pointing out that you hadn't expressed yourself very well... That's all. You seem to want to blame me for failing to understand, when you've essentially just written some nonsense.

I mean if I said... We should open a massive cheese factory because cheese is very similar to yoghurt and that's because it has some fermentation and I believe that would be better than the Super Casino for obvious reasons.

Would any of that make sense to you?
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I could maybe understand the argument against a Super Casino back then about gambling addiction and poverty not now.

The industry has totally changed with the uptake of Smart phones,where before you'd have to go to a bookies,bingo hall, arcade or a casino now you can get that all on a little screen.

Popular TV programs offering luxury holidays,local Radio stations giving away hundreds of thousands of pounds every week(Rock FM 170k yesterday) texts cost £2.00!
The list is endless of finding a way to get you to gamble.

So would a beautiful indoor building offering live music,sporting events etc and bringing more people to the town make a difference to Gambling not any more.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don't want to get into a massive debate with you about it.... The stock market has no ways to gamble... The stock market provides investment options with a range of different risk profiles. That doesn't mean that the trading in stocks or derivatives doesn't pose a risk, because it obviously does, however the underlying principle that sits behind the Stock Market is very different to that of a Casino (which is strictly about extracting money from the customer... There is no upside potential.

You don't need to search far... Singapore has the third highest 'Gambling Losses Per Capita' in the world, behind Australia and Hong Kong..

As far as I'm concerned, Blackpool has a big enough problem with addiction already, without throwing more vice into the mix. The results will simply be more misery, crime and deprivation over the longer term.


We need investment, but lets get some clean investment and something that will move the Town forwards....
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Yep that’ll pull them in. Come to Blackpool it’s clean. The small percentage of people who have addiction issues will have these issues whether it’s a back street bookies or the Sands Casino. Fed up of us pandering to these groups, this would be a massive boost to the town. Anyway spice head no teeth Darren and his 10p accumulators aren’t the sort of people who’d be welcome in a super casino.
 
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