There can be no trust now between club and Rosenior

[TonyParrsDodgyMic]

Even if Rosenior comes back to the table or agrees to all the club's conditions, surely the fact the dirty washing has been aired in public means there can't be much trust on either side. It's like someone cheating before a marriage where there is always that doubt about a person.
The whole thing smacks to me of the Jose Riga appointment and we all know how that turned out!

 

[Wizaard]

Even if Rosenior comes back to the table or agrees to all the club's conditions, surely the fact the dirty washing has been aired in public means there can't be much trust on either side. It's like someone cheating before a marriage where there is always that doubt about a person.
The whole thing smacks to me of the Jose Riga appointment and we all know how that turned out!

Rosenior or his agent, trying to force the club's hand?

 

[Seasidedaz]

Utter to

Even if Rosenior comes back to the table or agrees to all the club's conditions, surely the fact the dirty washing has been aired in public means there can't be much trust on either side. It's like someone cheating before a marriage where there is always that doubt about a person.
The whole thing smacks to me of the Jose Riga appointment and we all know how that turned out!

Utter rubbish - this is all media speculation and if it is true it’s all part of the normal negotiation process when appointing an employee to a senior role. Somehow - lazy journalism/trouble making journalism etc- it has made it into the public domain but that does not mean it’s true!

 

[Poolfan2]

Not only that but I don't think this whole thing will rest well with the fans. I don't know who is left but to be honest anyone bar Rosenior or Appleton actually seems a better prospect!

 

[voyeur]

You're assuming that the information that's in the public domain was leaked by Rosenior. It might have been, but it might not. It could have been made up by a journalist, for example. They do it all the time. It all seems to come from one Telegraph reporter as far as I can tell.

 

[Cable Cat]

Utter to

Utter rubbish - this is all media speculation and if it is true it’s all part of the normal negotiation process when appointing an employee to a senior role. Somehow - lazy journalism/trouble making journalism etc- it has made it into the public domain but that does not mean it’s true!

Disagree - for the specifics of why Rosenior supposedly hasn't signed being aired (and I realise we will never 100% know the truth) smacks to me of someone who is trying to play us and put pressure on the board. Sorry, don't buy it and think he sounds like a bad egg.

 

[Shiggy]

Nonsense

 

[JJpool]

Are we calling him ratsenior yet?

 

[Seasidedaz]

Disagree - for the specifics of why Rosenior supposedly hasn't signed being aired (and I realise we will never 100% know the truth) smacks to me of someone who is trying to play us and put pressure on the board. Sorry, don't buy it and think he sounds like a bad egg.

I would love a manager who challenges the club and demands more on the football front - that’s exactly what you want. Will he get it all of course not but shows drive and ambition. What you don’t want is a manager who challenges the club/board purely for personal gain.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Even if Rosenior comes back to the table or agrees to all the club's conditions, surely the fact the dirty washing has been aired in public means there can't be much trust on either side. It's like someone cheating before a marriage where there is always that doubt about a person.
The whole thing smacks to me of the Jose Riga appointment and we all know how that turned out!

Give your head a wobble, please.

This is a journalist making stuff up because he wants to appear ITK and isn't, it isn't even done particularly well.

He's obviously seen the speculation that LR was going to be announced last week, he's trying to explain why this hasn't happened based on known issues with the club, the truth is that the claim that LR was getting the job was ridiculously premature and if he has been offered the job it won't have been until late Wednesday or yesterday.

 

[PoolWarrior]

He's obviously seen the speculation that LR was going to be announced last week, he's trying to explain why this hasn't happened based on known issues with the club, the truth is that the claim that LR was getting the job was ridiculously premature and if he has been offered the job it won't have been until late Wednesday or yesterday.

.. or are you as bad as the journalist in question and trying to come up with your own version of events without fully knowing the truth

 

[BFC95]

I actually believe what Sam Wallace said, he's a very respected journalist. However it could well be that it's a Derby employee that has leaked the info rather than Rosenior. Rosenior might be just as annoyed as BFC are that the info got out there.

 

[Briggsysgonagetya]

How do you know any leak (if there has been one) could of come from Roseniors side ? It could just of easily come from our side, no one knows....or it could all just be a load of bollocks

 

[Lost Seasider]

.. or are you as bad as the journalist in question and trying to come up with your own version of events without fully knowing the truth

The timeline is reasonably well sourced, second interviews were this week, so the idea that he was a shoo-in last Friday is clearly nonsense, knowing this it's a reasonable guess that the decision would've been made within the last day or so thus the idea the LR has rejected us is doubtful.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

I actually believe what Sam Wallace said, he's a very respected journalist. However it could well be that it's a Derby employee that has leaked the info rather than Rosenior. Rosenior might be just as annoyed as BFC are that the info got out there.

If it is in print and presented as fact then any respectable journalist would have at least two sources. If it's just presented as rumour, then it is just heresay that may or may not be true.
What has actually been said?

 

[NewburyOne]

The media are guessing, neither Rosenior, his agent or BFC have any benefit to leaking this to the press. Most are just squirming because they'd already stated LR had the job so are just putting this and a few other media posts about our financial position together to make a story.

Maybe, just maybe, the admins at Derby aren't the best to deal with and are also exceptionally busy with other pressing matters. Maybe Rosenior wanted to say his goodbyes and thank yous to Rooney/staff in person. All just as likely in my opinion.

Regardless of whether there is a grain of truth in the finances is irrelevant, Sadler is a massive Blackpool fan, he'll do the best he can with the funds available. Appleton would not be my choice, but if it is Sadler's, so be it. Maybe someone with a point to prove and at least has some experience isn't the worst choice after all?

 

[Lost Seasider]

What has actually been said?

A tweet, from this thread: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/rosenior-turned-us-down.32693/

He's just guessing IMO, he's seen the 1/10 odds, but it hasn't happened, so he's trying to explain why, but he knows no more than anyone else.

 

[Ockers]

Even if Rosenior comes back to the table or agrees to all the club's conditions, surely the fact the dirty washing has been aired in public means there can't be much trust on either side. It's like someone cheating before a marriage where there is always that doubt about a person.
The whole thing smacks to me of the Jose Riga appointment and we all know how that turned out!

I don't buy into this I'm afraid. The only comment really made by either party has been from is saying he's not been offered the job and turned it down and that was only in response to national media coverage.

To me it spells of a really passionate young manager who wants the best and that motivation can't be a bad thing.

Sadler lives abroad, the interviewing board will have had some negotiating between all parties and then feed them back and forth with Sadler.

Frustrating times but good times

That said, I'd not be impressed with Appleton if it turned out to be him. I'd feel we've taken a step back

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

A tweet, from this thread: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/rosenior-turned-us-down.32693/

He's just guessing IMO, he's seen the 1/10 odds, but it hasn't happened, so he's trying to explain why, but he knows no more than anyone else.

It means nothing - ongoing negotiations and shit stirring from a journalist - normal procedure. If negotiations are ongoing then Rosenior hasn't turned down the job.
Where is TopGun BTW - seemed slightly more authoritative than many posters on here? It seems that all messages from that poster have been deleted.

 

[traffordtang]

Rosenior or his agent, trying to force the club's hand?

Or people making stories up to fill column space. Or even someone throwing in a red herring

 

[B_Side_The_C_Side]

This is like one of those posts on Reddit

"Tell me you smoke crack........without telling me you smoke crack"

Seriously........Please lay off the drugs and get a job

 

[Lost Seasider]

It means nothing - ongoing negotiations and shit stirring from a journalist - normal procedure. If negotiations are ongoing then Rosenior hasn't turned down the job.

Agreed, LR went to 1/10 due to the breakdown of the Derby takeover and everything else follows from that.

 

[585 = never give up]

Unless there's a direct quote from Rosenior, (or inside knowledge from Nuttall ) then I take what's reported with a pinch of salt.
IF the facts are correct (that's a big if), then Rosenior is a sensible, realistic guy. Who would take on their 1st management role, with what he deems to be an unworkable budget & associated inadequacies, in the belief that, the end result would be a battle at the wrong end of the table? The finale being - failure in his 1st management job & a return to coaching.
IF he's negotiating better conditions, then I admire him, as he's fighting for our future success.
Another day is ticking by .... UTMP

 

[Trammo]

I don't buy into this I'm afraid. The only comment really made by either party has been from is saying he's not been offered the job and turned it down and that was only in response to national media coverage.

To me it spells of a really passionate young manager who wants the best and that motivation can't be a bad thing.

Sadler lives abroad, the interviewing board will have had some negotiating between all parties and then feed them back and forth with Sadler.

Frustrating times but good times

That said, I'd not be impressed with Appleton if it turned out to be him. I'd feel we've taken a step back

I think Sadler now resides in the UK according to what other posters have said in recent past.

 

[JJpool]

It means nothing - ongoing negotiations and shit stirring from a journalist - normal procedure. If negotiations are ongoing then Rosenior hasn't turned down the job.
Where is TopGun BTW - seemed slightly more authoritative than many posters on here? It seems that all messages from that poster have been deleted.

He was banned, he uploaded a pic also of bloodtangerine avftt summer bash thread as his profile pic, so was likely him.

 

[seasider3]

Unless there's a direct quote from Rosenior, (or inside knowledge from Nuttall ) then I take what's reported with a pinch of salt.
IF the facts are correct (that's a big if), then Rosenior is a sensible, realistic guy. Who would take on their 1st management role, with what he deems to be an unworkable budget & associated inadequacies, in the belief that, the end result would be a battle at the wrong end of the table? The finale being - failure in his 1st management job & a return to coaching.
IF he's negotiating better conditions, then I admire him, as he's fighting for our future success.
Another day is ticking by .... UTMP

Well one thing is for sure he won’t have any budget at Derby

 

[Murciaseasider]

Utter to

Utter rubbish - this is all media speculation and if it is true it’s all part of the normal negotiation process when appointing an employee to a senior role. Somehow - lazy journalism/trouble making journalism etc- it has made it into the public domain but that does not mean it’s true!

You dont know that. True it could all be media rubbish, however there could also have been a leak and if there has, the negotiations in all probability are finished - no trust with the entire process undermined. What happens within four walls during negotiations must stay there, and if (and I say if) Rosenior has breached commercial confidentiality, he couldn't possibly be employed by this Club, and tbh who would want a manager you cant trust?

 

[Lost Seasider]

You dont know that. True it could all be media rubbish, however there could also have been a leak and if there has, the negotiations in all probability are finished - no trust with the entire process undermined. What happens within four walls during negotiations must stay there, and if (and I say if) Rosenior has breached commercial confidentiality, he couldn't possibly be employed by this Club, and tbh who would want a manager you cant trust?

The club's not leaking, there's no sense in LR or anyone connected to him leaking it either, as it would destroy all trust between the club and him, thus it's media speculation because they all reported his appointment as fact last week and want an excuse for being so badly wrong.

 

[Murciaseasider]

The club's not leaking, there's no sense in LR or anyone connected to him leaking it either, as it would destroy all trust between the club and him, thus it's media speculation because they all reported his appointment as fact last week and want an excuse for being so badly wrong.

So if that's the case the appointment of Appleton is based on him being viewed as GENUINELY the best candidate. Done deal, lets move on and get behind the new boss.