This is now probably the best squad we have had

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s a tougher task now, of course, given the mess he inherited from Appleton. I’m hearing they’ve actually been doing a bit of training this week for a start….

Like I said though… no excuses all season
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I haven't mentioned the ex manager mate

It's irrelevant really as there are still 19 games to go and we now finally have a squad that looks fit for purpose for this league

Correct me if I've wrong but I'm not sure if any team in the history of the Championship has ever been relegated with 19 games to go

My only worry is how big Mick manages to fit in all these skillfull creative types into his 11
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I haven't mentioned the ex manager mate

It's irrelevant really as there are still 19 games to go and we now finally have a squad that looks fit for purpose for this league

Correct me if I've wrong but I'm not sure if any team in the history of the Championship has ever been relegated with 19 games to go

My only worry is how big Mick manages to fit in all these skillfull creative types into his 11
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As I said, I hear we’re already working harder than before, which bodes well IMO.

I doubt anyone has been relegated with 19 games to go, but nonetheless we have a bigger mountain ti climb now in terms of the points per game requirement.

We now require the equivalent points per game of a 60 point season, just to be safe.

I can’t say I’m concerned about how he fits in all the skilful creative types into the side, so much as whether or not he can find a way to win games… I couldn’t care less (never have) about how we go about it or whether or not it looks good…

It will be interesting to see how he sets up… I’m very encouraged by the conversations I’ve had and the stuff I’ve read from fans of other Club’s he’s managed. I don’t get the impression he’s as rigid (in terms of systems) as some might imagine, but if he wins enough games, I doubt anyone will be arsed either way.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I haven't mentioned the ex manager mate

It's irrelevant really as there are still 19 games to go and we now finally have a squad that looks fit for purpose for this league

Correct me if I've wrong but I'm not sure if any team in the history of the Championship has ever been relegated with 19 games to go

My only worry is how big Mick manages to fit in all these skillfull creative types into his 11
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Appleton fitted loads in and is now history. 😉
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I haven't mentioned the ex manager mate

It's irrelevant really as there are still 19 games to go and we now finally have a squad that looks fit for purpose for this league

Correct me if I've wrong but I'm not sure if any team in the history of the Championship has ever been relegated with 19 games to go

My only worry is how big Mick manages to fit in all these skillfull creative types into his 11
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We probably weren't far off 19 when we went down last time!
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Since Holloway failed to get us promoted back to the Prem

Options all over the place

No excuses for big Mick to be honest

Looking forward to it
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Love it, Appleton had about 12million acceptable excuses according to you, and soon as big micks here all those excuses have evaporated because we've made a couple of signings... what about the still extremely lengthy injury list that we're dealing with? Worse now with marv also injured. Or the fact he's had no pre season to bed in his ideas? No excuses though, yeah? Miracle micks come here to save us all and if he doesn't hit the ground running there's no excuses? Insane.
 
Agree on the squad, I just hope playing a lot of games without winning hasn't ground them down too much, I reckon the psychological aspect is huge. One of the reasons I'm pleased with the appointment, they need a big character who's been there.

Makes me think back to Appletons first day interview when asked about the squad, he said "these players have a chance to prove they're championship players, one season doesn't make you one ".

But a few weeks with a manager who believes in them, 10'000 of us behind them. I'm going 58 points, 1 place above Preston, lovely.
 
The(notso)AppyBus said:
Love it, Appleton had about 12million acceptable excuses according to you, and soon as big micks here all those excuses have evaporated because we've made a couple of signings... what about the still extremely lengthy injury list that we're dealing with? Worse now with marv also injured. Or the fact he's had no pre season to bed in his ideas? No excuses though, yeah? Miracle micks come here to save us all and if he doesn't hit the ground running there's no excuses? Insane.
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Phil's right on this... There can be no more excuses... Fact of the matter is, there is now a global shortage of excuses because Phil used them all defending Appleton!
 
The(notso)AppyBus said:
Love it, Appleton had about 12million acceptable excuses according to you, and soon as big micks here all those excuses have evaporated because we've made a couple of signings... what about the still extremely lengthy injury list that we're dealing with? Worse now with marv also injured. Or the fact he's had no pre season to bed in his ideas? No excuses though, yeah? Miracle micks come here to save us all and if he doesn't hit the ground running there's no excuses? Insane.
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To be fair we were not far away in the play offs. I often wonder what would have been had we won that match. West Ham have gone on from strength to strength since.
 
The(notso)AppyBus said:
Love it, Appleton had about 12million acceptable excuses according to you, and soon as big micks here all those excuses have evaporated because we've made a couple of signings... what about the still extremely lengthy injury list that we're dealing with? Worse now with marv also injured. Or the fact he's had no pre season to bed in his ideas? No excuses though, yeah? Miracle micks come here to save us all and if he doesn't hit the ground running there's no excuses? Insane.
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A couple of signings is actually 5 in key positions that we have been clearly lacking

So yeah no excuses
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s a tougher task now, of course, given the mess he inherited from Appleton. I’m hearing they’ve actually been doing a bit of training this week for a start….

Like I said though… no excuses all season
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Lets hope the training is the right kind of training and not training that leaves half of the squad with injuries (hamstrings seem to be the most common)...I do wonder wtf the last manager and his staff were doing that left so many players with issues. As previously stated McCarthy is a massive upgrade on the previous negative loser we had and we now have a great chance to move onwards and upwards.

Under Appleton we were certainties for relegation with him sucking the life out of the club...he was a simply dreadful appointment and is right up there with the worst managers we have had...thank God(and fan power) that he was removed so quickly as he was causing toxicity throughout the whole club with his little old Blackpool bullshit. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Lets hope the training is the right kind of training and not training that leaves half of the squad with injuries (hamstrings seem to be the most common)...I do wonder wtf the last manager and his staff were doing that left so many players with issues. As previously stated McCarthy is a massive upgrade on the previous negative loser we had and we now have a great chance to move onwards and upwards.

Under Appleton we were certainties for relegation with him sucking the life out of the club...he was a simply dreadful appointment and is right up there with the worst managers we have had...thank God(and fan power) that he was removed so quickly as he was causing toxicity throughout the whole club with his little old Blackpool bullshit. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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So you are blaming Appleton for players getting injured?

Ridiculous
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
So you are blaming Appleton for players getting injured?

Ridiculous
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It's not ridiculous... It's perfectly logical. The way the players train or don't train and the style of play (particularly the lack of organisation / discipline) can lead to injuries.

Phil_bfc deux said:
Absolutely not I hope he is a success as it means the club will be

I'm just saying he has a far better hand to play with than the last bloke

Thats not even debatable
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It is absolutely 'debatable'

For starters (as I mentioned the other day) we now need 17% more points per game on average than we did at the start of the season (30% more than Appleton achieved), just to survive.... Mick has two jobs on his hands... 1) Clean up Appleton's mess 2) Get the team back to winning ways. So he has a much worse hand than Appleton, but it seems (unlike Appleton, who was looking for excuses from day 1) Big Mick is happy to shoulder the responsibility.

In terms of squad... Appleton brought in enough players... and maybe he was a part of the reason why we struggled to sign people too.... he certainly had enough time to sort his squad out.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's not ridiculous... It's perfectly logical. The way the players train or don't train and the style of play (particularly the lack of organisation / discipline) can lead to injuries.



It is absolutely 'debatable'

For starters (as I mentioned the other day) we now need 17% more points per game on average than we did at the start of the season (30% more than Appleton achieved), just to survive.... Mick has two jobs on his hands... 1) Clean up Appleton's mess 2) Get the team back to winning ways. So he has a much worse hand than Appleton, but it seems (unlike Appleton, who was looking for excuses from day 1) Big Mick is happy to shoulder the responsibility.

In terms of squad... Appleton brought in enough players... and maybe he was a part of the reason why we struggled to sign people too.... he certainly had enough time to sort his squad out.
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Players get injured that's football and unless you watch every training session that I very much doubt I honestly don't see how you can post that like its some sort of fact

As for your second point, why would we need to bring 5 Players in January if the squad was fine?

The summer window was a disgrace and it's taken the club 7 months to get it where it should be

So in all I completely and utterly disagree with all the above that you've posted
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Players get injured that's football and unless you watch every training session that I very much doubt I honestly don't see how you can post that like its some sort of fact

As for your second point, why would we need to bring 5 Players in January if the squad was fine

The summer window was a disgrace and it's taken the club 7 months to get it where it should be

So in all I completely and utterly disagree with all the above that you've posted
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Players don't get injured at the rate that ours have.... So clearly Applegoon was a big part of the problem (I've heard from a few sources that he wasn't great in a number of different areas)

We're bringing in extra players due to injuries and the uphill task that we have been left with (The Appleton shit cleaning job)

The Summer Window wasn't great, but Appleton has obviously contributed to that and his lack of pragmatism will have been a factor

Disagree all you like, but the crap start to the season has been mostly down to a shit Manager... He's had plenty of talent available, but was clueless how to get the most out of it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Players don't get injured at the rate that ours have.... So clearly Applegoon was a big part of the problem (I've heard from a few sources that he wasn't great in a number of different areas)

We're bringing in extra players due to injuries and the uphill task that we have been left with (The Appleton shit cleaning job)

The Summer Window wasn't great, but Appleton has obviously contributed to that and his lack of pragmatism will have been a factor

Disagree all you like, but the crap start to the season has been mostly down to a shit Manager... He's had plenty of talent available, but was clueless how to get the most out of it.
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It's not clearly at all and the rest of that is just nonsense

Oh and it wasn't a crap start to the season the crapness only started when the squad started to get stretched due to inadequate replacements

Re signing Grant Ward ffs
 
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Appleton had a squad as good as Critchley. Lost Bowler, Keogh and Sterling, gained Poveda, Patino, Fiorini, Williams, Thompson.

Recruitment obviously needs to improve but so does the leadership. Appleton seemed the opposite of a leader. Downbeat and defeated. Talk of players is immaterial unless the guy in charge is doing the job he us paid for. He just lacked the minerals. And took a lot of wages out of the club.

Some Preston tattoos are invisible. 😆
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's not clearly at all and the rest of that is just nonsense

Oh and it wasn't a crap start to the season the crapness only started when the squad started to get stretched due to inadequate replacements

Re signing Grant Ward ffs
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It was a crap start to the season... The writing was on the wall early doors with some of the most chaotic performances I've ever seen.

Crap Manager, who clearly put off players from joining us... Had to resort to bringing in loans and he was pretty clueless in that respect too..

It's too late now anyway, as I say, Mick will do the Clean Up Job and sort out Appleton's mess... Hopefully he has enough games and the squad can be turned around from the AppleGloom sooner rather than later.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It was a crap start to the season... The writing was on the wall early doors with some of the most chaotic performances I've ever seen.

Crap Manager, who clearly put off players from joining us... Had to resort to bringing in loans and he was pretty clueless in that respect too..

It's too late now anyway, as I say, Mick will do the Clean Up Job and sort out Appleton's mess... Hopefully he has enough games and the squad can be turned around from the AppleGloom sooner rather than later.
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That's all bollox and we are just going around in circles so I'm getting off the magic roundabout now
 
We’re a centre forward & a central midfielder short still… we seem to have give up on a centre forward now after spending the summer failing to get one.
 
It’s strange but with those few additions and some optimism that they might actually be played in positions that suit them we look better already.

It may be a false impression but I get the feeling the team have neither been coached well or made to fight before.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
That's all bollox and we are just going around in circles so I'm getting off the magic roundabout now
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Sensible choice, though TBF it was you who opened the door with your ridiculous O/P...

I did try to warn you that Critchley was a genius and you would be sorry that you forced him out of the Club by badmouthing him after the Preston Game (You and Scruffy Scrafton that is)... Anyway... It all came too pass, as predicted,... Appleton completely bombed etc..

I do have a lot more faith in Big Mick, though as I say, there's a repair job to be done, because Appleton has just loaded the side with powder puff players... A bit more bite in midfield and a decent defender or two to replace the ones that Appleton has got injured and way we go...

Hopefully we can then go on to build on Mick's success next season and try and gradually transition towards this entertaining football nonsense.
 
I'm not saying Appleton is a shit manager but he was a shit fit for us as just about everyone said before he was appointed.
 
Macseasider said:
I am very encouraged by Phil's clear will for MM to fail as history shows us that MM will be a massive success:

Hated Ollie (Prem)
Wanted to keep Grayson (2nd time)
Didn't rate Critchley (promotion)
Wanted to keep Appleton

The pattern shows that Mick Mccarthey will be a huge success!
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Thats bollocks as I want MM to succeed

Why would I want any manager to fail as that would mean the club I support fails

Weird thinking that
 
Having read the debate all that I would add is to ask this- Would MA have had a better chance of doing better result wise with this squad?

I defy anyone to answer 'no' and take themselves seriously.
 
fcblackpool said:
Having read the debate all that I would add is to ask this- Would MA have had a better chance of doing better result wise with this squad?

I defy anyone to answer 'no' and take themselves seriously.
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I’d say no… i genuinely think there’s way more to the Appleton problem than simply adding more players for him to upset and play out of position in a clown-like system.

Put it this way… He definitely wouldn’t have got to 50 points plus with them.

Mick will certainly get more out of them than Michael would have, so let’s see where McCarthy gets to and knock 20-30 % off for the Crappleton factor 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’d say no… i genuinely think there’s way more to the Appleton problem than simply adding more players for him to upset and play out of position in a clown-like system.

Put it this way… He definitely wouldn’t have got to 50 points plus with them.

Mick will certainly get more out of them than Michael would have, so let’s see where McCarthy gets to and knock 20-30 % off for the Crappleton factor 👍
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The question wasn't about the individual but whether this squad now gives him a better chance.

Whether MA could do sufficiently better is now just stupid debate, we'll never know. He'd have had a chance though.
 
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