Through 10 Games in 2020/2021

AmericanTangerine

AmericanTangerine

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Tuesday night was bad, no excuses or positive spin from me. The team clearly have a lot of issues to iron out and there’s nought wrong with pointing them out, we all pay to watch the team play, we all deserve to speak our minds.

However, the reaction from some on here has been so mind numbingly stupid.

Are we seriously going to go back to calling Critch a snake or ask for Dobbie to be appointed every time we don’t win?

The season is 46 matches, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and is certainly not defined by one match.

Need I remind everyone of how we started our last campaign in 2020/2021?

On OCTOBER 31st through 10 League One matches our record was…

Played 10, Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 6
Scored 9, Conceded 14

An abysmal start, and I remember a lot of those matches being even worse than what we saw Tuesday night.

We need to be patient, Critchley getting us promoted and easily safe in the Championship wasn’t some fluke, it took time, much like how this season’s team will take time.

I have no doubt we’ll have more frustrating results (along with many exciting ones), but that doesn’t mean we should completely blow up and hit the eject button.

Matty is a Virtue and Patience is too.
 
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Very true, I think also though those of us with a more "measured outlook" need to not over-react to the over-reacting, if that makes sense.

There will always be a very vocal and significant minority both on here and in the stadium who react in an extreme, negative way to any disappointment. Ultimately they love the club and in the moment they go a bit overboard, would hope Simon Sadler has the same perspective, worried me a bit last year when he was acting bemused by the negativity, anyone who's spent any significant time sat amongst our supporters should know that the passion that we all love when we win has a shouty counter-weight when things don't go our way.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Tuesday night was bad, no excuses or positive spin from me. The team clearly have a lot of issues to iron out and there’s nought wrong with pointing them out, we all pay to watch the team play, we all deserve to speak our minds.

However, the reaction from a some on here has been so mind numbingly stupid.

Are we seriously going to go back to calling Critch a snake or ask for Dobbie to be appointed every time we don’t win?

The season is 46 matches, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and is certainly not defined by one match.

Need I remind everyone of how we started our last campaign in 2020/2021?

On OCTOBER 31st through 10 League One matches our record was…

Played 10, Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 6
Scored 9, Conceded 14

An abysmal start, and I remember a lot of those matches being even worse than what we saw Tuesday night.

We need to be patient, Critchley getting us promoted and easily safe in the Championship wasn’t some fluke, it took time, much like how this season’s team will take time.

I have no doubt we’ll have more frustrating results (along with many exciting ones), but that doesn’t mean we should completely blow up and hit the eject button.

Matty is a Virtue and Patience is too.
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Well put @AmericanTangerine

We are 3 league games into the new season in which we are unbeaten, it actually beggars belief.

It’s a solid enough start, 5 points on the board out of a possible 9.

There’s a long way to go.
 
It was always going to happen.

We're a strange lot on here ....
 
PdxTangerine said:
Very true, I think also though those of us with a more "measured outlook" need to not over-react to the over-reacting, if that makes sense.

There will always be a very vocal and significant minority both on here and in the stadium who react in an extreme, negative way to any disappointment. Ultimately they love the club and in the moment they go a bit overboard, would hope Simon Sadler has the same perspective, worried me a bit last year when he was acting bemused by the negativity, anyone who's spent any significant time sat amongst our supporters should know that the passion that we all love when we win has a shouty counter-weight when things don't go our way.
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Very fair point, which is why I won’t be posting one of these every time I see a reactionary take (it’s football, we all love the club, it happens), but I think you could easily argue that more level headed people have to speak up just as loudly too to form a balance when needed, especially when the players have been booed off the pitch on the 3rd match of the season.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Tuesday night was bad, no excuses or positive spin from me. The team clearly have a lot of issues to iron out and there’s nought wrong with pointing them out, we all pay to watch the team play, we all deserve to speak our minds.

However, the reaction from some on here has been so mind numbingly stupid.

Are we seriously going to go back to calling Critch a snake or ask for Dobbie to be appointed every time we don’t win?

The season is 46 matches, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and is certainly not defined by one match.

Need I remind everyone of how we started our last campaign in 2020/2021?

On OCTOBER 31st through 10 League One matches our record was…

Played 10, Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 6
Scored 9, Conceded 14

An abysmal start, and I remember a lot of those matches being even worse than what we saw Tuesday night.

We need to be patient, Critchley getting us promoted and easily safe in the Championship wasn’t some fluke, it took time, much like how this season’s team will take time.

I have no doubt we’ll have more frustrating results (along with many exciting ones), but that doesn’t mean we should completely blow up and hit the eject button.

Matty is a Virtue and Patience is too.
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Matty is also Thick....
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Tuesday night was bad, no excuses or positive spin from me. The team clearly have a lot of issues to iron out and there’s nought wrong with pointing them out, we all pay to watch the team play, we all deserve to speak our minds.

However, the reaction from some on here has been so mind numbingly stupid.

Are we seriously going to go back to calling Critch a snake or ask for Dobbie to be appointed every time we don’t win?

The season is 46 matches, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and is certainly not defined by one match.

Need I remind everyone of how we started our last campaign in 2020/2021?

On OCTOBER 31st through 10 League One matches our record was…

Played 10, Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 6
Scored 9, Conceded 14

An abysmal start, and I remember a lot of those matches being even worse than what we saw Tuesday night.

We need to be patient, Critchley getting us promoted and easily safe in the Championship wasn’t some fluke, it took time, much like how this season’s team will take time.

I have no doubt we’ll have more frustrating results (along with many exciting ones), but that doesn’t mean we should completely blow up and hit the eject button.

Matty is a Virtue and Patience is too.
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Absolutely spot on but no point in trying to talk sense when half of our fanbase have brain cell numbers running in the single digits.
 
How often do teams start so badly in their first ten games yet still go up? Not all that many I would wager.

Yes, He could do it again but you would think the odds would be on it not being replicated if we did have a similar lack of wins.
 
clappers said:
How often do teams start so badly in their first ten games yet still go up? Not all that many I would wager.

Yes, He could do it again but you would think the odds would be on it not being replicated if we did have a similar lack of wins.
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We have played 3 games not 10 😂 and we haven’t conceded in any of them. MY EYES
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Can seen both sides however it’s the manner in which we have played v teams we have played at home that are likely going to be in the bottom half that’s a tad worrying
And I predicted us as Champions !
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1st half of Port Vale was worrying, but that’s only our second game at home. 😂

Burton we looked good and Derby was a good performance too.

Need patience.
 
Chrismalkin said:
We have played 3 games not 10 😂 and we haven’t conceded in any of them. MY EYES
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If you opened your eyes you’d see that word “if”…. I was pretty plain I was talking about a hypothetical bad start over 10 games and not the 3 games so far.
 
clappers said:
How often do teams start so badly in their first ten games yet still go up? Not all that many I would wager.

Yes, He could do it again but you would think the odds would be on it not being replicated if we did have a similar lack of wins.
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We've done it within the last three years. With the same manager. We haven't made anything like as bad a start, therefore we're going to piss this League.

Factamundo.
 
Every season we’ve got promoted starts off with a slower first few months. 06/07 we were bordering relegation. Went up via the play offs. 09/10 we started with 4 draws out of 4. Again, we went up via the play offs. Then 20/21 we were calling for Critchley to be gone in October. Let’s just see what happens over the course of the season….
 
clappers said:
If you opened your eyes you’d see that word “if”…. I was pretty plain I was talking about a hypothetical bad start over 10 games and not the 3 games so far.
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Nah open yours and look at your first sentence. He’s not got to do anything again yet. We are 3 games in.

Ridiculous reaction.

By the way, for some context. Plymouth, you know that team that got 100+ points last year? Lost 1-0 to Fleetwood on their second game last season. They lost 5-1 to Charlton on their fourth game.
 
Chrismalkin said:
Nah open yours and look at your first sentence. He’s not got to do anything again yet. We are 3 games in.

Ridiculous reaction.

By the way, for some context. Plymouth, you know that team that got 100+ points last year? Lost 1-0 to Fleetwood on their second game last season. They lost 5-1 to Charlton on their fourth game.
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The first sentence clearly refers to the last time he started badly in this league. He went up, yes. But the point of the post was IF we were to start with so few wins again, is it likely promotion would happen. Probably not. It’s a just a discussion, no one is calling for pitchforks and a sackings so it’s you that’s going totally OTT. I think you just want to go off on one to peacock your super supporter credentials to be honest.
 
clappers said:
The first sentence clearly refers to the last time he started badly in this league. He went up, yes. But the point of the post was IF we were to start with so few wins again, is it likely promotion would happen. Probably not. It’s a just a discussion, no one is calling for pitchforks and a sackings so it’s you that’s going totally OTT. I think you just want to go off on one to peacock your super supporter credentials to be honest.
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I’m doing the opposite of going OTT. I’m saying we need to be patient.

You say nobody is calling for sackings but there is a thread on this board titled ‘Stephen Dobbies tangerine army’. It’s pathetic.
 
Chrismalkin said:
I’m doing the opposite of going OTT. I’m saying we need to be patient.

You say nobody is calling for sackings but there is a thread on this board titled ‘Stephen Dobbies tangerine army’. It’s pathetic.
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Well tackle them and not me!
 
clappers said:
The first sentence clearly refers to the last time he started badly in this league. He went up, yes. But the point of the post was IF we were to start with so few wins again, is it likely promotion would happen. Probably not. It’s a just a discussion, no one is calling for pitchforks and a sackings so it’s you that’s going totally OTT. I think you just want to go off on one to peacock your super supporter credentials to be honest.
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Except people are saying he should go and be replaced by Dobbie.
 
Without going over the top I never understand why people are prepared to effectively write off the first 5 to 10 games a season. Every game is important, the first to the last.
 
Wizaard said:
Except people are saying he should go and be replaced by Dobbie.
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There’s a difference between thinking Dobbie would have got better performances and results and seriously calling for another management change after a handful of games which is plainly nonsense and shouldnt be given houseroom. Surely no one thinks he should be sacked at t is point. Those choosing to voice an opinion that they aren’t impressed with what we’ve seen so far are being painted as if they are calling for Critchley to go now….and they aren’t!
 
AllOrNothing said:
Without going over the top I never understand why people are prepared to effectively write off the first 5 to 10 games a season. Every game is important, the first to the last.
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Was just about to write the same. Why can’t we set the standard in what looks like a very average division? Probably why we never win a league.

If we play tomorrow like we did against Port Vale I’ll be fuming tbh.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Tuesday night was bad, no excuses or positive spin from me. The team clearly have a lot of issues to iron out and there’s nought wrong with pointing them out, we all pay to watch the team play, we all deserve to speak our minds.

However, the reaction from some on here has been so mind numbingly stupid.

Are we seriously going to go back to calling Critch a snake or ask for Dobbie to be appointed every time we don’t win?

The season is 46 matches, it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and is certainly not defined by one match.

Need I remind everyone of how we started our last campaign in 2020/2021?

On OCTOBER 31st through 10 League One matches our record was…

Played 10, Won 3, Drawn 1, Lost 6
Scored 9, Conceded 14

An abysmal start, and I remember a lot of those matches being even worse than what we saw Tuesday night.

We need to be patient, Critchley getting us promoted and easily safe in the Championship wasn’t some fluke, it took time, much like how this season’s team will take time.

I have no doubt we’ll have more frustrating results (along with many exciting ones), but that doesn’t mean we should completely blow up and hit the eject button.

Matty is a Virtue and Patience is too.
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I really wish people would stop gurning on about what happened last time Critch was here, it's irrelevant. I want to know what he's going to acheive this time and yes I will provide a running commentary, along with others, about how I think he's doing. I have posted vertabim elsewhere I have concerns, if these are addressed, fine. Time will tell.
 
bill40 said:
I really wish people would stop gurning on about what happened last time Critch was here, it's irrelevant. I want to know what he's going to acheive this time and yes I will provide a running commentary, along with others, about how I think he's doing. I have posted vertabim elsewhere I have concerns, if these are addressed, fine. Time will tell.
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I think he’s got a case of Grayson-itis. Burned in his last roles and his reaction is to go cautious. Which is an issue for me because his baseline was already cautious and we have proven we could take games to the opposition a level above with attacking tactics in place under Dobbie. The last two games for me have been below the level we should be even accounting for new season gelling and tactical data input that Critchley will say is taking place.
 
clappers said:
I think he’s got a case of Grayson-itis. Burned in his last roles and his reaction is to go cautious. Which is an issue for me because his baseline was already cautious and we have proven we could take games to the opposition a level above with attacking tactics in place under Dobbie. The last two games for me have been below the level we should be even accounting for new season gelling and tactical data input that Critchley will say is taking place.
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The 'In Critch We Trust' brigade are supporting our team in the best way they think and I respect that. I just happen to be in the camp that doesn't trust him one inch yet. I'm sure we'll all be happy to be won over.
 
Before we start judging Critchley, should we not also be asking the board what they think he's supposed to do having lost Yates, Anderson and Bowler - our three best attacking players (imo), with no replacements still. I mean, everyone's wanting us to be an exciting team to watch, but first you have to bring some exciting players to the club, surely? I like Lavery, but apart from that I see very little trickery, skill, or guile in forward positions. We have a bit of pace and plenty of effort, but that isn't what will unlock defences most of the time, nor will it make us good to watch. I'm confident we'll sign another one or two, but right now there aren't any players that will get you off your seat.
 
BFC_53 said:
Before we start judging Critchley, should we not also be asking the board what they think he's supposed to do having lost Yates, Anderson and Bowler - our three best attacking players (imo), with no replacements still. I mean, everyone's wanting us to be an exciting team to watch, but first you have to bring some exciting players to the club, surely? I like Lavery, but apart from that I see very little trickery, skill, or guile in forward positions. We have a bit of pace and plenty of effort, but that isn't what will unlock defences most of the time, nor will it make us good to watch. I'm confident we'll sign another one or two, but right now there aren't any players that will get you off your seat.
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Fair points.

I think what bothered me most about the Vale game is that we just didn’t create. Sometimes you can have a 0-0 that you are happy with because you hit the post 3 time and their keeper scraped it over the bar after a tasty bit of head tennis in the box. I want that entertainment back at BR this weekend.

But we didn’t see any clear cut chances like that.

I think if we bed in our creative midfielders, Weir and possibly Morgan, we might start to get more thrills. At least, I really hope so.
 
Good original post, I remember people calling for Critchley’s head after the first ten games, we signed a load of new players and it would take time to work/gel.

Our squad will look a bit different by the end of the window and I’m confident NC will get it right again and we will be up there by the end of the season.

You have to remember a lot of the players featured in an absolute shit show of a shambles season last season so will need their confidences built back up as well.

Trust the process.
 
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