Tier move for Lancaster, Blackpool and Wyre expected

More about London being higher than us in that report.
I’am still not convinced we’ll be coming out of tier 3 just yet.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
More about London being higher than us in that report.
I’am still not convinced we’ll be coming out of tier 3 just yet.
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"But for the likes of Lancaster, Fylde, and Wyre, which have rates below 110, anything but a relaxation of Tier 3 measures would come as a shock to many."
 
GJJW said:
"But for the likes of Lancaster, Fylde, and Wyre, which have rates below 110, anything but a relaxation of Tier 3 measures would come as a shock to many."
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Like the same shock us going in to tier 3 in the first place and London going into tier 2?
 
Poppajoe said:
No change until the Covid wards at Blackpool Vic have drastically reduced, they are still well over capacity
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Spot on, Vic patients still going to Clifton hospital as Vic it’s still full and that’s why i’ll be surprised if we come out of tier 3 just yet.
 
GJJW said:
Or keeping businesses alive, people employed in areas that dhouldnt be in tier 3.
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Keep business alive and sacrifice a few people in the process.
As I've said on another thread, as difficult as it is you can build a business back up once your dead your dead🤷‍♂️
 
Wizzerboy said:
Keep business alive and sacrifice a few people in the process.
As I've said on another thread, as difficult as it is you can build a business back up once your dead your dead🤷‍♂️
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No correlation between lots of businesses being open and deaths. The one piece of data they can produce is schools, colleges and supermarkets are big spreaders. They are open.
 
GJJW said:
No correlation between lots of businesses being open and deaths. The one piece of data they can produce is schools, colleges and supermarkets are big spreaders. They are open.
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Ah, fuck it open everything up again and if you die from covid it's your own fault for not having a strong enough immune system.
At least the economy will be ticking over.

Have you not noticed that Britain isn't the only place imposing lockdown and in other countries it's far more severe, still as long as we can have a pint that's ok👍🏻

As you were!!
 
Wizzerboy said:
Ah, fuck it open everything up again and if you die from covid it's your own fault for not having a strong enough immune system.
At least the economy will be ticking over.

Have you not noticed that Britain isn't the only place imposing lockdown and in other countries it's far more severe, still as long as we can have a pint that's ok👍🏻

As you were!!
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Not quite what I was getting at pal. A teacher died in Blackpool last week. Schools are still open.
 
If you think when there is talk of putting London into tier 3 the government would start relaxing rules else where then you are mistaken despite the stats to back up.

We should never have been in tier 3 as a whole county but like TAM says I can not see that changing any time soon.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Still not convinced they will split Lancs ( or other counties ) just before the Xmas relaxations
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No. The Government has consistently lumped all of Lancashire together under the Tier system. Can't see that changing on the 16th unless the East Lancashire and Preston numbers come down significantly. The 16th is only 8 days away and they'll need to inform people before then. Hope I'm wrong though.
 
PR3BFC said:
If you think when there is talk of putting London into tier 3 the government would start relaxing rules else where then you are mistaken despite the stats to back up.

We should never have been in tier 3 as a whole county but like TAM says I can not see that changing any time soon.
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I think you're right pal.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Ah, fuck it open everything up again and if you die from covid it's your own fault for not having a strong enough immune system.
At least the economy will be ticking over.

Have you not noticed that Britain isn't the only place imposing lockdown and in other countries it's far more severe, still as long as we can have a pint that's ok👍🏻

As you were!!
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To be fair it's not about putting the economy before lives rather about balance and consistency
There are whole swathes of the country in Tier 2 with far worse levels of the virus and yet many businesses on the Fylde Coast and elsewhere face restrictions far more draconian
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
To be fair it's not about putting the economy before lives rather about balance and consistency
There are whole swathes of the country in Tier 2 with far worse levels of the virus and yet many businesses on the Fylde Coast and elsewhere face restrictions far more draconian
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Totally agree Tim but unfortunately once these places are open it just causes havoc., especially in pubs.
People, as shown shopping in London, just don't know how to social distance.

As sure as eggs is eggs the spike in the new year will be back to as it was around the 8th/10th November whilst everyone plays happy families crossing from tier to tier to get together.

Thank God that the vaccine is being rolled out as I feel it could have been worse.

Business COULD have stayed open during this pandemic but it was the nation or a large %age of it that wouldn't adhere to the basic guidelines.
 
I'll definitely be playing 'happy families' over Christmas and I will most certainly be back in pubs and restaurants as soon as I'm allowed to be.

I've followed the rules throughout this pandemic and certainly done my bit, both in my personal life and in my job role.

Some people can spend the rest of their lives hiding behind the sofa with a mask and gloves on, but it's not for me, and a vast majority of others.

Seems to be a common theme that the people most opposed to any return to normality:

1. Are not financially effected by lockdowns and restrictions
2. Didn't have much of a social life to begin with

Fingers crossed for Tier 2 and a gradual return to normality ASAP 👍
 
It would appear that generally places in tier 2 have rising rates and places in tier 3 falling rates.
Now the major difference between these two tiers is the opening of the hospitality section as i can't imagine much increase in socialising in private gardens in this weather.
The 5 day xmas change to the regulations are bound to cause quite an upsurge of cases in early January, so if you changed any tier 3 to tier 2 you would be risk making this upsurge much more serious. Better you increase the tier 2's to tier 3 to mitigate this effect in the new year.
With the vaccine rolling out then this scenario would probably lead to much less economic damage than allowing levels of covid to get out of hand and may obviate the need for a national lockdown in January which would be much more economically damaging.
 
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Poolcat1 said:
It would appear that generally places in tier 2 have rising rates and places in tier 3 falling rates.
Now the major difference between these two tiers is the opening of the hospitality section as i can't imagine much increase in socialising in private gardens in this weather.
The 5 day xmas change to the regulations are bound to cause quite an upsurge of cases in early January, so if you changed any tier 3 to tier 2 you would be risk making this upsurge much more serious. Better you increase the tier 2's to tier 3 to mitigate this effect in the new year.
With the vaccine rolling out then this scenario would probably lead to much less economic damage than allowing levels of covid to get out of hand and may obviate the need for a national lockdown in January which would be much more economically damaging.
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I think the whole country should've been in tier 3.
 
The madness and false information has gone on long enough, get everything open again!!! if people want to stay in so be it.
 
Lost Seasider said:
T2 is rising from a lower base, T3 falling from a higher peak.
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Granted, but that lower base is less than what would be the new base for a tier 3 to 2 transition. So you would expect cases to rise in any area changed from tier 3 to tier 2. Then add on xmas and you can see this is not a good plan,
 
ThorntonPool said:
I'll definitely be playing 'happy families' over Christmas and I will most certainly be back in pubs and restaurants as soon as I'm allowed to be.

I've followed the rules throughout this pandemic and certainly done my bit, both in my personal life and in my job role.

Some people can spend the rest of their lives hiding behind the sofa with a mask and gloves on, but it's not for me, and a vast majority of others.

Seems to be a common theme that the people most opposed to any return to normality:

1. Are not financially effected by lockdowns and restrictions
2. Didn't have much of a social life to begin with

Fingers crossed for Tier 2 and a gradual return to normality ASAP 👍
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Ok, as I'll take that as a dig at me I can inform you that my social life is great thank you very much.
I too will spend time with my family over xmas whilst adhering to the guidelines.
What I won't do is be hiding behind my sofa or go steaming into a pub, where I know damn well people will not be socially distancing.
So if you want to go out on the razzle with Poulton girl be my guest but dont be giving it boo hoo I've got covid and I did everything right when you know that 90% of the knobheads in pubs n clubs will not be following the rules.

It's not living in fear its having a bit of common sense
 
Wizzerboy said:
Ok, as I'll take that as a dig at me I can inform you that my social life is great thank you very much.
I too will spend time with my family over xmas whilst adhering to the guidelines.
What I won't do is be hiding behind my sofa or go steaming into a pub, where I know damn well people will not be socially distancing.
So if you want to go out on the razzle with Poulton girl be my guest but dont be giving it boo hoo I've got covid and I did everything right when you know that 90% of the knobheads in pubs n clubs will not be following the rules.

It's not living in fear its having a bit of common sense
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So you have a dig at people playing 'happy families' yet it's something you will be doing yourself. However, I'm sure in your eyes it's fine to do so because you'll be 'adhering to the guidelines'.

Well has it ever occurred to you that perhaps people want to go to pubs, restaurants, and actually have some enjoyment in their lives whilst also following the rules? Or are these people classed as 'knobheads' because they're daring to enjoy themselves?
Very narrow minded of you to assume that everybody that goes to these establishments is 'steaming into pubs' and 'out on the razzle'.

As mentioned above, I've done my bit in my personal and working life to assist in this country's response to the pandemic. If I want to enjoy myself in my spare time, whilst also supporting local business' that have been crippled over the last 9 months, then I will.

This is why I get so wound up with people like you who automatically assumes that every person who wants even a sniff of a normal life is some sort of boozed up yob.

I also won't be giving it boo hoo if I do end up with covid - I'm not over the age of 70, so it statistically it really isn't that threatening to me.
On the other side of that - I do have elderly relatives who are at risk, and strangely, they all want life to get back to normal ASAP. Are they knobheads as well?

Anyway, I'm drawing a line under this here. I don't have time for a classic AVFTT tit for tat argument that goes on for hours.
 
There is no way they will duvide Lancashire up into different tiers especially before xmas
Imagine wyre or fylde having pubs open and Blackpool with tier 3 restrictions
Those in order areas such as bispham would flood Poulton ,Cleveleys ,Carleton etc.
 
Just found out my dughter who is a nursing practicer in local ICU and has just tested positive
So as I've said until hospital intake is well down we will stay tier 3
As hospitals are overfilling
Normal ICU there are 2 nurses to each bed
At the moment there are two patients for each bed and only one nurse available who is having to work 13hr days at least 4 days a week
It is unfortunate that we live in an area with more over 65's than average, therefore the most important figure is the reduction of hospital admissions
 
Poppajoe said:
Just found out my dughter who is a nursing practicer in local ICU and has just tested positive
So as I've said until hospital intake is well down we will stay tier 3
As hospitals are overfilling
Normal ICU there are 2 nurses to each bed
At the moment there are two patients for each bed and only one nurse available who is having to work 13hr days at least 4 days a week
It is unfortunate that we live in an area with more over 65's than average, therefore the most important figure is the reduction of hospital admissions
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Joe you should be very proud of her - the NHS has been great throughout this pandemic but those like your daughter , working in critical care have had it really tough.
Your right about keeping powder dry for now but I genuinely believe we have turned a corner
 
ThorntonPool said:
So you have a dig at people playing 'happy families' yet it's something you will be doing yourself. However, I'm sure in your eyes it's fine to do so because you'll be 'adhering to the guidelines'.

Well has it ever occurred to you that perhaps people want to go to pubs, restaurants, and actually have some enjoyment in their lives whilst also following the rules? Or are these people classed as 'knobheads' because they're daring to enjoy themselves?
Very narrow minded of you to assume that everybody that goes to these establishments is 'steaming into pubs' and 'out on the razzle'.

As mentioned above, I've done my bit in my personal and working life to assist in this country's response to the pandemic. If I want to enjoy myself in my spare time, whilst also supporting local business' that have been crippled over the last 9 months, then I will.

This is why I get so wound up with people like you who automatically assumes that every person who wants even a sniff of a normal life is some sort of boozed up yob.

I also won't be giving it boo hoo if I do end up with covid - I'm not over the age of 70, so it statistically it really isn't that threatening to me.
On the other side of that - I do have elderly relatives who are at risk, and strangely, they all want life to get back to normal ASAP. Are they knobheads as well?

Anyway, I'm drawing a line under this here. I don't have time for a classic AVFTT tit for tat argument that goes on for hours.
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😘
 
As a business owner i've seen both sides of the economic argument but having just had covid19 and recovered i'm in the unusual position of being able to comment from experience.

It's a nasty illness don't get me wrong and something that i can only describe as the strangest illness i've ever had. I can really see how it devastates the older population but only on a par which what i imagine the flu does. As a country we'll have to adapt, we cannot go on much longer otherwise the long term economic effects will be difficult to recover from.
 
northstand said:
As a business owner i've seen both sides of the economic argument but having just had covid19 and recovered i'm in the unusual position of being able to comment from experience.

It's a nasty illness don't get me wrong and something that i can only describe as the strangest illness i've ever had. I can really see how it devastates the older population but only on a par which what i imagine the flu does. As a country we'll have to adapt, we cannot go on much longer otherwise the long term economic effects will be difficult to recover from.
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Glad you recovered northstand it is a fkr of a disease and agree the economic impact cannot be minimised and there will be consequences as somebody (us) has to pay for this .
However as more people, especially the vulnerable, are vaccinated we will be on a much more positive trajectory and I I for one believe we should see both economic and social restrictions being loosened quite early in the new year
 
What false information, there is a global pandemic caused by a novel coronavirus .
So far implicated in the deaths of about 1.5 million people worldwide and about 60K in the UK
It disproportionately kills older people and those with certain underlying illnesses
No political leaders on the planet apart from the tropical Trump in Brazil believe in letting ghe virus run wild
Mainstream scientific and medical opinion is that the measures we have been taking are our best defence against much more death and suffering

We now have a vaccine and others about to be passed as safe and effective. We will be back to doing things we enjoy soon

In what way are these lies ??
 
physio1 said:
no they are not.
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And your evidence to back that statement up?

My evidence is two of my family work at the Vic one who has direct contact with Covid patients and they both tell me it is the case so come on let’s be hearing your evidence that says otherwise?
 
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Wizzerboy said:
Ok, as I'll take that as a dig at me I can inform you that my social life is great thank you very much.
I too will spend time with my family over xmas whilst adhering to the guidelines.
What I won't do is be hiding behind my sofa or go steaming into a pub, where I know damn well people will not be socially distancing.
So if you want to go out on the razzle with Poulton girl be my guest but dont be giving it boo hoo I've got covid and I did everything right when you know that 90% of the knobheads in pubs n clubs will not be following the rules.

It's not living in fear its having a bit of common sense
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Have you been in a pub between July 4th (when they reopened after initial lock down) and the 4th November (when they all closed again)?
 
Yep, went in the Leyton Rakes (a spoons)
It was very well managed, had to do the track and trace, could only order at the table etc, very well run.
Down the prom at the velvet coaster (another spoons) had to queue outside 2m✅ but as soon as we got inside there were people milling about not wearing masks while away from their table. People queuing at the bat NOT socially distancing. Turned round to the Mrs and said, we're off. Have also been in others that were borderline glad I was outside!!

So you takes your chance will you end up in a well organised pub or will you end up in a pub where people think it's ok to mix freely and not have the staff tell them it's wrong.

Go for it lass and I hope you end up in a good one👍🏻
 
Wizzerboy said:
Keep business alive and sacrifice a few people in the process.
As I've said on another thread, as difficult as it is you can build a business back up once your dead your dead🤷‍♂️
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Who decides who is dispensable? Are you going to do it? Perhaps it should be the elderly that are disposed of...what a brave new world that would be.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yep, went in the Leyton Rakes (a spoons)
It was very well managed, had to do the track and trace, could only order at the table etc, very well run.
Down the prom at the velvet coaster (another spoons) had to queue outside 2m✅ but as soon as we got inside there were people milling about not wearing masks while away from their table. People queuing at the bat NOT socially distancing. Turned round to the Mrs and said, we're off. Have also been in others that were borderline glad I was outside!!

So you takes your chance will you end up in a well organised pub or will you end up in a pub where people think it's ok to mix freely and not have the staff tell them it's wrong.

Go for it lass and I hope you end up in a good one👍🏻
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I will be going in one of my two locals, one sells food one doesnt so unfortunately won’t be open, both well organised fromthe start with nobody wandering about aimlessly 👍🏻 Can’t wait to get back snd when I am the last thing on my mind will be bloody COVID😯
 
Wizzerboy said:
And whilst this pandemic gripped the nation it was to some , all about where their next pint, restaurant meal, haircut, botox or nail job was going to come from rather than hoping the nations health and wellbeing was being catered for.
Welcome to 21st century Britain 🤦‍♂️
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You should see the state southshorepool has got into, since being unable to get his highlights done and a pre Chrimbo waxing.
 
Bisphamtang said:
There is no way they will duvide Lancashire up into different tiers especially before xmas
Imagine wyre or fylde having pubs open and Blackpool with tier 3 restrictions
Those in order areas such as bispham would flood Poulton ,Cleveleys ,Carleton etc.
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Tang no one is suggesting the Fylde and Wyre should be tiered differently to Blackpool
The reality it however wherever lines are drawn by tiering you will have ' crossovers '
 
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