Time for masks to be compulsory everywhere

LimerickTangerine said:
What do mean by everywhere?? Perhaps I genuinely took u up the wrong way
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This is starting to feel like a rather ‘Irish’ conversation.

I mean everywhere, rather than not everywhere.

So meaning that there are places where you don’t have to wear a mask (like walking down the street for example) and places where you do, like in enclosed indoor spaces.

From what I can see the rules in the ROI are no more extensive (and possibly less so) than those in England.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
This is starting to feel like a rather ‘Irish’ conversation.

I mean everywhere, rather than not everywhere.

So meaning that there are places where you don’t have to wear a mask (like walking down the street for example) and places where you do, like in enclosed indoor spaces.

From what I can see the rules in the ROI are no more extensive (and possibly less so) than those in England.
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You don't have to outside anywhere inside yes except your home.

Ireland are very strict towards UK

Maximum of 15 people left at any outdoor gatherings and places of worship

Gaurds (Police) allowed to enter your home without a warrent if they suspect you have more then 6 people who don't live with you in your house

Only pubs that are allowed open have to sell a meal of 9 euro 1st and you only have 90 mins to have a few pints and then your chucked out

All pubs that don't sell food have been closed for 6 months now

Absolutely no spectators allowed at any sporting event no matter how big of a capacity the place holds

Face masks mandatory everywhere (besides walking down the street and your home 🤪)

Everybody advised not to use public transport unless absolutely necessary

Elderly told to cuckoon again

Among others
 
My definition of everywhere is indoors, except own home and bubble, and outdoors where there is a risk of breaking SD guidelines. If you are alone in a field no mask required until you approach humans. If you are on a canal tow path, then a mask is required as you will meet other people at some point. If you are walking on a street it's reasonable to assume you'd come close to someone without notice- mask required.

To my mind the problem with masks is people and their lack of education about the quality and fitting.
 
The risk of contracting Covid 19 passing someone on a canal towpath are so infinitesimally small it’s probable that wearing a mask in those circumstances would increase the overall transmission risk.
 
fcblackpool said:
My definition of everywhere is indoors, except own home and bubble, and outdoors where there is a risk of breaking SD guidelines. If you are alone in a field no mask required until you approach humans. If you are on a canal tow path, then a mask is required as you will meet other people at some point. If you are walking on a street it's reasonable to assume you'd come close to someone without notice- mask required.

To my mind the problem with masks is people and their lack of education about the quality and fitting.
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In my mind the problem with masks is WE DON'T ** NEED THEM ANYMORE...

12 deaths recorded yesterday of people who had tested positive in the 28 days before there deaths. NOT FROM COVID 19.

Only 64 people in the whole country on any sort of ventilation aid due to COVID..

All restrictions should be lifted immediately and the NHS should have a massive drive to catch up on all the patients who have been neglected in the meantime..
 
jack_bfc said:
In my mind the problem with masks is WE DON'T ** NEED THEM ANYMORE...

12 deaths recorded yesterday of people who had tested positive in the 28 days before there deaths. NOT FROM COVID 19.

Only 64 people in the whole country on any sort of ventilation aid due to COVID..

All restrictions should be lifted immediately and the NHS should have a massive drive to catch up on all the patients who have been neglected in the meantime..
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I hope they don’t make them compulsory in Soho or you’ll be struggling 😛
 
jack_bfc said:
In my mind the problem with masks is WE DON'T ** NEED THEM ANYMORE...

12 deaths recorded yesterday of people who had tested positive in the 28 days before there deaths. NOT FROM COVID 19.

Only 64 people in the whole country on any sort of ventilation aid due to COVID..

All restrictions should be lifted immediately and the NHS should have a massive drive to catch up on all the patients who have been neglected in the meantime..
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The problem hasn't gone away though. Until it has it's better to err on the side of caution, because we just don't know what will happen next with it#safethansorry
 
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fcblackpool said:
The problem hasn't gone away though. Until it has it's better to err on the side of caution, because we just don't know what will happen next with it#safethansorry
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Surely by your logic, we should all be wandering round with hard hats, safety goggles, toe protectors, removing all traffic from the roads, stopping all contact sports, swimming and any hobby that could present any risk, however small.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
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Surely by your logic, we should all be wandering round with hard hats, safety goggles, toe protectors, removing all traffic from the roads, stopping all contact sports, swimming and any hobby that could present any risk, however small.
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Silly post and you know it.
 
fcblackpool said:
Silly post and you know it.
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Not really, since you are advocating mask wearing in low/zero risk situations.

Risk exist in all aspects of our lives.

The idea that we should legislate and enforce mask wearing for anything other than a significant risk is ridiculous.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Not really, since you are advocating mask wearing in low/zero risk situations.

Risk exist in all aspects of our lives.

The idea that we should legislate and enforce mask wearing for anything other than a significant risk is ridiculous.
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I tend to agree about overreactions by some, but can also see a lot of similarities between some of the head in the sand “Covid is beaten/was never a real danger” anti maskers and climate deniers.

It may be an inconvenient truth, but Covid is real; it has killed a lot of people; it hasn’t gone away and in all likelihood there will be a resurgence before the end of the year. Pretending otherwise isn’t really a sensible strategy.
 
jack_bfc said:
Its a farce.

I work in tunnel all day with 30 other blokes (no masks), I go to the pub most nights with hundreds of others (no masks).
No -one I know has had any sypmtons since march
The R rate stays the same. The hospital admissions, serious cases and proper COVID related deaths are virtually non existent.

And yet I have to wear a mask on the half empty tube every day and a completely empty waitrose etc.

5 x more people are dying from and other flu related deaths than this hyped up virus...
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You've got it right Jack. Why worry about a global Pandemic when your anecdotal non-evidence is the real proof we need that masks are a waste of time.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Not really, since you are advocating mask wearing in low/zero risk situations.

Risk exist in all aspects of our lives.

The idea that we should legislate and enforce mask wearing for anything other than a significant risk is ridiculous.
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Thing is, it's variable risk in variable situations. The risk level is rising and by making them compulsory, with the proper advice, you'll keep the risk lower than otherwise and here's the crucial bit EVERYONE knows what they are doing.

It's going to happen anyway and I'm saying just get it done now. This would lower pressure on the NHS in the future.
 
fcblackpool said:
Thing is, it's variable risk in variable situations. The risk level is rising and by making them compulsory, with the proper advice, you'll keep the risk lower than otherwise and here's the crucial bit EVERYONE knows what they are doing.

It's going to happen anyway and I'm saying just get it done now. This would lower pressure on the NHS in the future.
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The risk level isn’t rising and particularly not the risk level in some of the situations you describe.

Notwithstanding the basic human freedom issues, the idea that extending compulsory mask wearing to extremely low risk areas will reduce transmission or overall harm is not a given (by a long way).

Your not giving due consideration to a whole host of issues, that result from a policy that is pointless.

In summary it’s a completely disproportionate and potentially harmful response, based upon the level of risk.

With your “better safe than sorry” mantra, you can pretty much justify all manner of ridiculous imposition
 
fcblackpool said:
You obviously know more about the virus than the medics and the French Govt.

You should do some moonlighting.
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I’m just going off the facts and the informed view of actual experts, as opposed to assuming that the broad brush policies of a country (countries) with spiralling infection rates, are the example to follow.
 
The French Government can't have known that much if they are only acting now-


"Wearing a face mask in public has become mandatory across Paris and several surrounding areas, amid a surge in Covid-19 cases in France.
The move came after the country recorded 6,111 new infections - its highest number since early May."
 
People change when they go on holiday,. They are the ones who I find do not follow basic guidelines. They do no not respect others space and are also responsible for most of the littering and antisocial behaviour and yet we need them to sustain the economy.

If common sense prevailed there would be no need for regulation. In its absence making them compulsory will always be the fall back option.
 
So you're listening to who says what you want to hear?

And you assume spiralling infection rates are geographically limited. Perhaps the virus now needs a passport?

Glad we took back control of our borders.
 
fcblackpool said:
So you're listening to who says what you want to hear?

And you assume spiralling infection rates are geographically limited. Perhaps the virus now needs a passport?

Glad we took back control of our borders.
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What!!!??

No, I’m listening to the overwhelming consensus of expert opinion regarding the transmission risk for Covid 19.

Where exactly are you getting the ‘information’ that supports your ‘canal towpath’ suggestion? Presumably that one was plucked out of your backside?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What!!!??

No, I’m listening to the overwhelming consensus of expert opinion regarding the transmission risk for Covid 19.

Where exactly are you getting the ‘information’ that supports your ‘canal towpath’ suggestion? Presumably that one was plucked out of your backside?
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Canal towpaths are narrow and will have people walking in both directions. Hardly rocket science?
 
fcblackpool said:
Canal towpaths are narrow and will have people walking in both directions. Hardly rocket science?
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You seriously think that a brief encounter (such as passing someone on a canal towpath) poses a risk for transmission?

Do you not think that is this virus were so infectious to transmit in such a way, that we wouldn’t all have long since caught it?

Like I have said, you are being utterly ridiculous.
 
Last time I looked there compulsory now unless outside or in pub/restaurant so are you suggesting they are compulsory outside? 🤔

I’ve just come off a 3 hour walk at Warton Cragg and we didn’t see another person fat lot a mask would have done. 🙄
 
fcblackpool said:
And someone sneezes, coughs, belly laughs and you are next to them poses zero risk. Yes or No?
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No it doesn’t pose zero risk, very little we do does. However the risk of that situation actually happening, together with the risk of infection and then the subsequent risk of serious harm or death is so minute, that it doesn’t merit such a draconion measure.

At that point, the risk of thousands of people creating potentially concentrated biohazard (ie used masks) and then transmitting the virus via that channel starts to outweigh any tiny benefit...

If you then add the environmental issue of mask production and disposal, the cost of purchasing the masks, the additional cost of policing the wearing of masks, issues that might arise between mask wearers and non-mask wearers, potential for asthma attacks and a myriad of other issues, including the important issue of personal freedom, the utter stupidity of such measures soon becomes clear.
 
jack_bfc said:
Its a farce.

I work in tunnel all day with 30 other blokes (no masks), I go to the pub most nights with hundreds of others (no masks).
No -one I know has had any sypmtons since march
The R rate stays the same. The hospital admissions, serious cases and proper COVID related deaths are virtually non existent.

And yet I have to wear a mask on the half empty tube every day and a completely empty waitrose etc.

5 x more people are dying from and other flu related deaths than this hyped up virus...
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Jack is that right where you work? I thought UK Heath and Safety would insist on masks in the work place. I’m presuming you are on a construction site?

The whole country here wears masks, work, shopping etc. Obviously if you are out in the fresh air and more than 2 meters from other people then you don’t need to put it on or pull it up from round your neck. common sense required that’s all.

UK over 40,000 deceased, South Africa 14,000 with 82% recovery rate. Similar population 😷
 
Seasider3610 said:
Jack is that right where you work? I thought UK Heath and Safety would insist on masks in the work place. I’m presuming you are on a construction site?

The whole country here wears masks, work, shopping etc. Obviously if you are out in the fresh air and more than 2 meters from other people then you don’t need to put it on or pull it up from round your neck. common sense required that’s all.

UK over 40,000 deceased, South Africa 14,000 with 82% recovery rate. Similar population 😷
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The ovewhelming majority of deaths in the UK have occured before people in South Africa had started to die, so the country had a massive head start to prepare and capitalise on leassons learned in terms of prevention and treatment, as well as having a different age distribution in the population.

The recovery rate simply isn't relevant as you aren't comparing like with like, due to the lack of effective testing in the early stages of the epidemic. The UK clearly had significantly (probably a factor of 10 to 20X) more cases than the numbers suggest and the likelihood is that Covid was circulating within the population long before we were aware of it.

It's impossible to say what, if any, contribution mask wearing has made and if you look at the situation in the UK and some other countries, since lockdown, then it seems to be the countries with stricter mask policies who have suffered worse.
 
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Seasider3610 said:
Jack is that right where you work? I thought UK Heath and Safety would insist on masks in the work place. I’m presuming you are on a construction site?

The whole country here wears masks, work, shopping etc. Obviously if you are out in the fresh air and more than 2 meters from other people then you don’t need to put it on or pull it up from round your neck. common sense required that’s all.

UK over 40,000 deceased, South Africa 14,000 with 82% recovery rate. Similar population 😷
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Yes a railway construction site. The risk assessment states we only need to wear a facemask if we are working within 2m for more than 15min.. most of the face masks make the safety glasses steam up and are a nuisance when physical manual work. So most don't bother, and haven't done since we returned in April..

Funnily enough not one person has had any symptoms or had any sick days in the last 4 months. Before lockdown we had about 50% of staff with various symptoms including myself..

We have had plenty of lads tested due to track and trace and because family members have had symptoms etc.. All tests negative..
 
Just to be controversial there are just under 300 deaths a day from alcohol related deaths in the UK
Surely it was time that this heinous drug was banned too.
On today’s score it’s 50 times more lethal than Covid. If you’ve taken a drink without a mask on then you are dicing with death!!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The ovewhelming majority of deaths in the UK have occured before people in South Africa had started to die, so the country had a massive head start to prepare and capitalise on leassons learned in terms of prevention and treatment, as well as having a different age distribution in the population.

The recovery rate simply isn't relevant as you aren't comparing like with like, due to the lack of effective testing in the early stages of the epidemic. The UK clearly had significantly (probably a factor of 10 to 20X) more cases than the numbers suggest and the likelihood is that Covid was circulating within the population long before we were aware of it.

It's impossible to say what, if any, contribution mask wearing has made and if you look at the situation in the UK and some other countries, since lockdown, then it seems to be the countries with stricter mask policies who have suffered worse.
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Daz you have your “facts” completely wrong. SA went into lockdown the same week as the UK. That’s why I am comparing the two as they also have a similar population.

Both countries went into lockdown the last week of March so I don’t think 40,000 people kicked the bucket in Jan/Feb did they.

SA stopped all international travel in that week and only repatriation flights have been available in or out since then.
 
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