Tin pot

[Bloodorange]

Pre Sadler I don't think we had soil let alone heating in it.One step at a time folks.

 

[Tangerinemoss]

Well said 'Sir' Simon

Wish I had his dosh

 

[tangerine.com]

Wish I had his dosh

I suppose it's cheaper to lose gate receipts than having to pay the leccy bill for undersoil heating

 

[A_Tense_Grin]

We do our best and that’s all we can ask. It’s not Championship level though but that will take time.

 

[JJpool]

https://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/118333/blackpool-game-postponed?page=1

Some conspiracies on there too.

Huddersfield were missing their keeper weren't they, new manager bonce, everyone buzzing.

There's no way the club wouldn't have wanted to play this. Not to say more time might not benefit in some ways.

But I think we would have won today.

Anyway results weren't to bad.

 

[Tetley]

Is undersoil heating really worth the cost at this moment in time ,maybe only 1 or 2 games off for frozen pitch,sure the money that has and will be spent over the next few years for training ground ,new stand ,players must take priority over having the odd game cancelled ,just my opinion though

 

[LA1 Seasider]

If we’re not getting anywhere near full houses at games surely it would be better to invest money on under soil heating then the other stand

Undersoil Heating won’t create revenue. A new stand and associated facilities will bring in upwards of £1 million per year on top of matchday ticket sales in the stand. Which is ultimately the sort of the thing that pays for things like undersoil heating.

East stand is rightly a top priority and key to a sustainable future. Regardless or League status or attendances

 

[Loco]

Simon missed a trick. He should have invited avftt posters down this morning. Pop you lot under the covers for half an hour and the hot air produced would thaw the pitch in no time

 

[LimerickTangerine]

Undersoil Heating won’t create revenue. A new stand and associated facilities will bring in upwards of £1 million per year on top of matchday ticket sales in the stand. Which is ultimately the sort of the thing that pays for things like undersoil heating.

East stand is rightly a top priority and key to a sustainable future. Regardless or League status or attendances

But if we sell the same amount of tickets as we are now surely the income would be the same?
But Hope your right LA1

 

[seasiderjohn]

the covers were frozen to the pitch

 

[hertfordseasider]

Good knock Phil

 

[Seainsea]

If we’re not getting anywhere near full houses at games surely it would be better to invest money on under soil heating then the other stand

From memory, the whole drainage system of the pitch needs upgrading and this would be the ideal opportunity to install undersoil heating.

So you are talking millions and there are other more urgent priorities at this point in time.

This and other infrastructure problems are a legacy from you know who. The masters of Tin Pottery.

 

[Tangerinenick]

Fraserburgh drew today and our game was off….

 

[Sooty59]

Simon missed a trick. He should have invited avftt posters down this morning. Pop you lot under the covers for half an hour and the hot air produced would thaw the pitch in no time

That’s always suggested but never happens.

 

[LA1 Seasider]

But if we sell the same amount of tickets as we are now surely the income would be the same?
But Hope your right LA1

Not at all. The East in its current form only makes money on 23-25 days a year (depending on cup draws). Of those 23-25 days the only revenue comes from ticket sales for the 90 minutes of football. The concourse isn’t even part of the East stand itself.

Any new East stand will likely include additional hospitality areas, commercial premises for use by the club or tenants and other facilities (gym, extended hotel etc) and will therefore bring in money 365 days of the year regardless of whether a game is on or not.

Then consider that better permanent concourse facilities specific for both away and home fans and better suited to the demands of the volume of fans and then revenue streams can increase even with the same number of ticket sales as at present. A new stand will also likely result in a capacity increase overall (naturally that allows for increased revenue) but also a new permanent stand allows for the useable capacity of Bloomfield Road to increase. At present there’s actually around 17,600 seats in BR however only 15,500 or so are useable due to segregation. A permanent stand of the same capacity as the temporary stand results in an increase as segregation losses would be minimised. It’s also likely any new stand would be of a greater capacity than the existing stand as it’s purely common sense to maximise capacity where possible if future success is desired.

 

[JJpool]

Not at all. The East in its current form only makes money on 23-25 days a year (depending on cup draws). Of those 23-25 days the only revenue comes from ticket sales for the 90 minutes of football. The concourse isn’t even part of the East stand itself.

Any new East stand will likely include additional hospitality areas, commercial premises for use by the club or tenants and other facilities (gym, extended hotel etc) and will therefore bring in money 365 days of the year regardless of whether a game is on or not.

Then consider that better permanent concourse facilities specific for both away and home fans and better suited to the demands of the volume of fans and then revenue streams can increase even with the same number of ticket sales as at present. A new stand will also likely result in a capacity increase overall (naturally that allows for increased revenue) but also a new permanent stand allows for the useable capacity of Bloomfield Road to increase. At present there’s actually around 17,600 seats in BR however only 15,500 or so are useable due to segregation. A permanent stand of the same capacity as the temporary stand results in an increase as segregation losses would be minimised. It’s also likely any new stand would be of a greater capacity than the existing stand as it’s purely common sense to maximise capacity where possible if future success is desired.

Less than that actually.


Bloomfield Road stand capacities

Stand	Blocks	Capacity	Notes
North Stand (Kop)	A–E	2,748
North-West Corner	F–H	801
West Stand	J–Q	3,684
West Stand Hospitality Balcony		738
South-West Corner	R–S	815
South Stand	T–X	2,471
South Stand Hospitality Balcony		140
South-East Corner	Y-Z	643
East Stand	EA, EB, EC, ED, EE, EF, EG, EH	4,576	Visiting supporters moved back to this stand prior to the 2019–20 season. Capacity reduced due to persistent standing.
Total		16,616

 

[LA1 Seasider]

Less than that actually.


Bloomfield Road stand capacities

Stand	Blocks	Capacity	Notes
North Stand (Kop)	A–E	2,748
North-West Corner	F–H	801
West Stand	J–Q	3,684
West Stand Hospitality Balcony		738
South-West Corner	R–S	815
South Stand	T–X	2,471
South Stand Hospitality Balcony		140
South-East Corner	Y-Z	643
East Stand	EA, EB, EC, ED, EE, EF, EG, EH	4,576	Visiting supporters moved back to this stand prior to the 2019–20 season. Capacity reduced due to persistent standing.
Total		16,616

Not sure how accurate that is. I think it takes into account some seats blocked off already such as those in the North and East.

But the point still stands. Usable capacity is below actual capacity. Once a permanent stand is in place then useable rises but potentially both.

 

[JJpool]

Not sure how accurate that is. I think it takes into account some seats blocked off already such as those in the North and East.

But the point still stands. Usable capacity is below actual capacity. Once a permanent stand is in place then useable rises but potentially both.

It's pretty much bang on, have used it before and it pretty much adds up.

No idea where the 17k figure comes from.

The 3 sides hold 10.5k excluding hospitality. Add the rest in it can't get near 17k.

Shows how we need an increase really for the long term future and not the similar sized stand quoted in the gazette, that may well be a placeholder, but still.

Yes the useable is below that, you can see that on the 'sell out days'.

Never much higher than 15k.

 

[Insider]

Less than that actually.


Bloomfield Road stand capacities

Stand	Blocks	Capacity	Notes
North Stand (Kop)	A–E	2,748
North-West Corner	F–H	801
West Stand	J–Q	3,684
West Stand Hospitality Balcony		738
South-West Corner	R–S	815
South Stand	T–X	2,471
South Stand Hospitality Balcony		140
South-East Corner	Y-Z	643
East Stand	EA, EB, EC, ED, EE, EF, EG, EH	4,576	Visiting supporters moved back to this stand prior to the 2019–20 season. Capacity reduced due to persistent standing.
Total		16,616

EA doesn't get used by away supporters.

 

[TangerineBayern]

The game was called off by a representative of the PGMOL as half of the pitch was considered too hard due to the frost and was not likely to improve based on the weather forecast and TBF its been freezing in South Shore this afternoon so why do we have so many complaining about the decision? I’ve travelled many times to away matches only to be called off at the last minute, and worse still having flights cancelled going abroad now thats a proper pisser! All this thread has done is feed the Welsh fellas run chase!

 

[Macs tangerine army]

Apart from my sister's just off Preston New Road. Funny that, just the one garden.

Fair enough but you can’t often tell on a picture

 

[JJpool]

EA doesn't get used by away supporters.

The one used as segregation between the north... yeah. But total capacity is as stated and useable is below that.

 

[ste]

Maybe they didn’t use the lighting rigs / heaters. The fact that they mentioned that they did use them gives the impression they are protesting too much.
Or maybe I’m just a cynic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616476001688784899

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Had a day in the pub instead once I did the tiurn on the A55

Surprised to see the score on this thread

Anyway another for the book @Bloodtangerine

 

[Bloodtangerine]

Had a day in the pub instead once I did the tiurn on the A55

Surprised to see the score on this thread

Anyway another for the book @Bloodtangerine

I have to admit I’m not unimpressed pal

 

[Bloodtangerine]

The game was called off by a representative of the PGMOL as half of the pitch was considered too hard due to the frost and was not likely to improve based on the weather forecast and TBF its been freezing in South Shore this afternoon so why do we have so many complaining about the decision? I’ve travelled many times to away matches only to be called off at the last minute, and worse still having flights cancelled going abroad now thats a proper pisser! All this thread has done is feed the Welsh fellas run chase!

And they all fell for it ….classic

 

[Levi501]

Run chases are sooo passé dahlings.

 

[Tangerinetiltingatwindmil]

I think there maybe a bit of planning involved. Cup game next. 2 weeks for Mick to work his magic, players to recover from injury (we don't know how many were out) and for new signings to arrive. Disappointed but it's for the best. .

And a lie in for you and me and others Monday morning

 

[Leyland bfc]

Experience manager pulling out the tricks,unlike that clueless fraud of a manager u backed laughable

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

It's pretty much bang on, have used it before and it pretty much adds up.

No idea where the 17k figure comes from.

The 3 sides hold 10.5k excluding hospitality. Add the rest in it can't get near 17k.

Shows how we need an increase really for the long term future and not the similar sized stand quoted in the gazette, that may well be a placeholder, but still.

Yes the useable is below that, you can see that on the 'sell out days'.

Never much higher than 15k.

The East is only licensed for 4500, but I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more seats than that

 

[JJpool]

The East is only licensed for 4500, but I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more seats than that

Each full block, basically all the ones bar the 2 end ones, is 24 deep by 27 wide, add that up but minus the ones missing from the front row. You get 637.

There's 6 of those full size blocks.

So 3822.

The little South end block has 345 (23×15) in it.

So the full away capacity seems to be 4167, as the end block is always used as segregation for the north. Although within that theres some they won't be using as part of the cutback so it will be less for away fans, probably about 4k.

But add that north block in, it's not quite a full block, 24 x 24 minus off the missing front row seats. 566.

4733 all together. There's a few extras as the back row runs in between blocks, seems to be 30.

4763

So as it says 4576 is the capacity, reduced from nearly 200 ish more.

So not a lot more seats, no idea which ones they don't allow away fans to go in, nor how the apparent 17,338 capacity figure was ever reached.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Each full block, basically all the ones bar the 2 end ones, is 24 deep by 27 wide, add that up but minus the ones missing from the front row. You get 637.

There's 6 of those full size blocks.

So 3822.

The little South end block has 345 (23×15) in it.

So the full away capacity seems to be 4167, as the end block is always used as segregation for the north.

But add that north block in, it's not quite a full block, 24 x 24 minus off the missing front row seats. 566.

4733 all together. There's a few extras as the back row runs in between blocks, seems to be 30.

4763

So as it says 4576 is the capacity, reduced from nearly 200 ish more.

So not a lot more seats, no idea which ones they don't allow away fans to go in, nor how the apparent 17,338 capacity figure was ever reached.

I seem to recall there being well over 5000 seats in the East originally.

 

[JJpool]

I seem to recall there being well over 5000 seats in the East originally.

The last block near the north infact is the same size as the other full ones, but on the seat planner they have cut a few off the end, as you can't see the full pitch, mainly the nw corner area.

But even then it wouldn't add that many back in, less than 100.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

The last block near the north infact is the same size as the other full ones, but on the seat planner they have cut a few off the end, as you can't see the full pitch, mainly the nw corner area.

But even then it wouldn't add that many back in, less than 100.

Does the Seat Planner reflect the ‘actual’ number of seats though ?

Surely the planner is only going to reflect the seats ‘available’ or licensed…

I can’t say for certain, but I’m pretty sure that the original capacity in that stand was around the 5,500 mark.

 

[JJpool]

Does the Seat Planner reflect the ‘actual’ number of seats though ?

Surely the planner is only going to reflect the seats ‘available’ or licensed…

I can’t say for certain, but I’m pretty sure that the original capacity in that stand was around the 5,500 mark.

Well it doesn't though, as shown it shows a few hundred more than the 4.5k licenced.

The only ones missing are seemingly the extra 3 vertical rows on the end.

It always went back 24 rows afaik which is the same at the north stand, but in far less room, so they are very close together compared to the north.

There is the small media section in the middle not included on the planner, but still technically count as seats...

Not sure how it would have got to 5.5k as there isn't the room.

Just found this.

Blackpool to build temporary stand for Premier League campaign

www.mirror.co.uk

Probably makes sense if you think about before the SE corner was there, that small section went a bit further along from what I can see. So 5070 originally.






Definitely shortened for the SE corner.

 

[JJpool]

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Not sure where the 5,500 came from, but it was over 5000 originally.

The building of the SE has actually reduced the useable capacity in the ground.

 

[Seasider1887]

My son's made it to Killington Lake.

Turn around and come home

Huddersfield fans will be really unhappy.

We've a long way to go before we get the infrastructure right.

We have form for upsetting their fans at Bloomfield Road

 

[JJpool]

Not sure where the 5,500 came from, but it was over 5000 originally.

The building of the SE has actually reduced the useable capacity in the ground.

5070 yes, not sure if that included the media bit.

Away fans should have been housed in the North section for the optimal layout, that way all the SE corner can be used. But of course no proper facilities NE side.

It'll be fine once the East is finished.

Even now we can spill into the top bit of the SE it if capacity is full in the 3 sides. Not much though.

I think they said the east plans would be announced early 2023 so it'll be interesting to see what they've come up with.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

5070 yes, not sure if that included the media bit.

Away fans should have been housed in the North section for the optimal layout, that way all the SE corner can be used. But of course no proper facilities NE side.

It'll be fine once the East is finished.

Even now we can spill into the top bit of the SE it if capacity is full in the 3 sides. Not much though.

I think they said the east plans would be announced early 2023 so it'll be interesting to see what they've come up with.

The key will be having more flexibility as to how we house away supporters. Ideally you want them tucked away in a corner.

 

[Micky Walsh]

Shame the game was off, it would have been great, i had a brand new telly all lined up. See we are linked with Flint who can leave Stoke and the lads from Burnley who they signed from Oxford, looks like we will be getting at least one central defender.

 

[voyeur]

It’s the only championship game called off, so a bit embarrassing and something the board should be looking at.

If it's once a season it's barely an issue IMO.

 

[JJpool]

The key will be having more flexibility as to how we house away supporters. Ideally you want them tucked away in a corner.

SE and a bit either side for me.

I'd love the NE corner amd NE to become even more pool fans, adding massively and improving further the north stand atmosphere. But some want away fans there too.

Tbh that's the only way that makes sense. Otherwise we build a bigger NE corner and have it empty if away fans are in the NE, plus then we have away fans upto halfway, when others opposite are paying a premium for halfway block tickets. SE is the only corner we can put them in, can't dothe NE as the north would have to move block a. So the SE it the only real place.

 

[585 = never give up]

At least the officials called it off early, saving some fans the journey.
Unlike today's WSL game, Chelsea Vs Liverpool. Where the pitch inspection took place at 09:30. The Liverpool manager wanted it calling off due to a frozen playing surface and the weather forecast saying the temp wouldn't rise above zero. Stating it would save the Liverpool fans from travelling.
The ref declares it fit to play & states the game will go on.
KO at 12:30 and minutes into the game, the ref abandons it, due to an unsafe playing surface & the managers both agreed - the players were almost skating.
You couldn't make it up!

 

[LA1 Seasider]

SE and a bit either side for me.

I'd love the NE corner amd NE to become even more pool fans, adding massively and improving further the north stand atmosphere. But some want away fans there too.

Tbh that's the only way that makes sense. Otherwise we build a bigger NE corner and have it empty if away fans are in the NE, plus then we have away fans upto halfway, when others opposite are paying a premium for halfway block tickets. SE is the only corner we can put them in, can't dothe NE as the north would have to move block a. So the SE it the only real place.

Depending on the facilities included in the new East then the Northern West / North West could be an ideal place for away supporters. The dugouts / changing rooms create a natural segregation to the West and the tunnel under the North West again creates good segregation internally. It’s also ideally located next to the car parks and coach park and for the train station too. Most away supporters come from the promenade side of the ground and most home from the central drive side of the ground. Having away fans in the West would be logical for a number of reasons - plus it would mean home fans could enjoy better newer facilities and would still have access to all the existing corporate facilities as well as any new ones. Media facilities could be moved to above the dugouts or to the block immediately North of the dugout - therefore not impacting M block / 1953 club stuff and creating segregation in the same way they do in the East whilst further keeping away fans to the corner.
The only difficulty is that to give away fans larger than 2000/2500 tickets you’d be looking at splitting the North - again easily done and logical but not popular. If a North East stand exists and Block A and B remain home only then it could certainly work.

 

[JJpool]

Depending on the facilities included in the new East then the Northern West / North West could be an ideal place for away supporters. The dugouts / changing rooms create a natural segregation to the West and the tunnel under the North West again creates good segregation internally. It’s also ideally located next to the car parks and coach park and for the train station too. Most away supporters come from the promenade side of the ground and most home from the central drive side of the ground. Having away fans in the West would be logical for a number of reasons - plus it would mean home fans could enjoy better newer facilities and would still have access to all the existing corporate facilities as well as any new ones. Media facilities could be moved to above the dugouts or to the block immediately North of the dugout - therefore not impacting M block / 1953 club stuff and creating segregation in the same way they do in the East whilst further keeping away fans to the corner.
The only difficulty is that to give away fans larger than 2000/2500 tickets you’d be looking at splitting the North - again easily done and logical but not popular. If a North East stand exists and Block A and B remain home only then it could certainly work.

Can't see that happening at all nor would most want it to.

We have hospitality on the West Side and unless a complete switch around which would not be popular.

The wind howling in winter, getting wet and the sun making it at times a poorer view from the east side.

You'd then have those on the other side of the west dugout next to away fans in the premium seats, they wouldn't want that. It also makes the premium seating not viable if one side has it and another doesn't.

Can you imagine fans marching from the Armfield past nobbers outside the West to go to the north etc.

No need to reinvent the stadium and disrupt the north stand, that would be daft.

No the simplest solution is to stay as we are and use a bit more than half the new East for ourselves and bung away fans in part of the SE bit and corner and block x that's always empty. Can give over 2500 as standard and more if needed on one of the sides either south or east.

That way we can use the premium seats in the east. Add fans around the north in the NE corner and NE to improve the atmosphere even more and stick away fans as much as in a corner as we can.

 

[Wizaard]

The key will be having more flexibility as to how we house away supporters. Ideally you want them tucked away in a corner.

Ideally you want them staying at home.

 

[JJpool]

Ideally you want them staying at home.

Na, ideally you want them there for the cash, but silenced by the even noisier pool crowd and sent home with nothing.

With that NE corner and NE we could add thousands of fans to that end of the stadium.

You notice the difference even with a few when we played the nobbers, it's louder and better with those extra fans adding to it that end.

The north is the first stand to consistently sell out, its the biggest draw to be in it or near it, so makes perfect sense to have more fans around it and adding to it.

 

[Wizaard]

Na, ideally you want them there for the cash, but silenced by the even noisier pool crowd and sent home with nothing.

With that NE corner and NE we could add thousands of fans to that end of the stadium.

You notice the difference even with a few when we played the nobbers, it's louder and better with those extra fans adding to it that end.

The north is the first stand to consistently sell out, its the biggest draw to be in it or near it, so makes perfect sense to have more fans around it and adding to it.

I meant because the home fans are taking all the ground.

 

[Chunkylad]

Triple century on the back of a moan