Traffic light system - Lockdown lifting restrictions
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Mr Tangerine Man
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Am I missing spmething here? What has changed since the original lockdown? Have people stopped dying or getting infected? Hairdressers? are they going to use 2 meter long scissors?
Tangiverse
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I think the virus will decide on the timeline.
cleveleysbfc
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The traffic light system makes sense in principle but to me the dates are way out..... Can't see concerts happening before mid September if at all this year, I would have thought ppubs and restaurants will be the very last things to open
The timescale can't happen especially with some bank holidays coming up..... People would just take the piss and we would be back to square one
The timescale can't happen especially with some bank holidays coming up..... People would just take the piss and we would be back to square one
SeasideKurt
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What's the difference? The idea is so that the spread of the virus is delayed. If people think it is going to vanish or a vaccine found.
We can't stay inside. We can't stop the economy. It needs to be opened soon, like France/Italy/Spain/Germany are doing in a progressive manner so the NHS are not overwhelmed, the majority of the country will have had it. And we maintain the protection for the most vulnerable. I wouldn't be shocked if the numbers are upwards of millions in this country that have had it.
Beagle
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Lala are you referring to the masks when you ask who is owning this? If so it is mentioned every day in the briefings and the answer is they are always reviewing it and following WHO guidelines. The problem with masks they say is you need to change everyday and make sure you remove and dispose of them properly. If people want to use the effective ones than that could take millions of them away from the NHS front-line where they need them. The problem for us ordinary folk is would we be able to buy properly produced masks rather than some internet seller.Kind of makes you wonder why masks aren’t compulsory on public transport now
Apart from that no complaints from me, but are any officials officially owning this?
Lala
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Apologies I meant why aren't masks compulsory on public transport now like the amber phase of the traffic lights system is suggesting.
And as for owning it I meant this traffic light exit strategy which Gove denied this morning.
I would imagine there is definitely some accuracy though as it's very similar to the exit strategy of Germany,who we are probably learning lessons from right now.
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basilrobbie
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They are always a bit lower on Sundays Lala, because of the way they get collated.
On masks, one of the reasons why they aren't compulsory as yet is that there is a good deal of scepticism about how helpful they actually are. I certainly won't wear one unless I have to, as I just think the benefits of wearing them are unproven.
fcblackpool
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Correct on the first point.
On the second, unless masks are detrimental to self-protection then why wouldn't you wear one if available?
Tangerinemoss
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The slightly cynical me thinks they don't want to advise wearing masks because we have not got any
Whitstabletangerine
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When it comes to deaths then we hear only part of the story, many others occur in homes and care facilities where the doctors death certificates are on occasions days after the deaths.
I would not be surprised if we are running at over 1,000 a day in total but what I am not sure about is in the thinking behind the traffic lights system, just how many deaths a day does it have to go down to for the commencement of this event.
I would not be surprised if we are running at over 1,000 a day in total but what I am not sure about is in the thinking behind the traffic lights system, just how many deaths a day does it have to go down to for the commencement of this event.
fcblackpool
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Whits, we are now in the economy v the people territory.
I've no doubt there is a School of Thought within the top bods who think that a small% are going to get it come what may and the cost of keeping another small% safe who could get it is too much. So, economics wise they would argue that the cost of saving 30//40/50,000 lives is billions and billions and billions and, err, not worth it. Harsh, but there WILL be people saying that who have clout.
I've no doubt there is a School of Thought within the top bods who think that a small% are going to get it come what may and the cost of keeping another small% safe who could get it is too much. So, economics wise they would argue that the cost of saving 30//40/50,000 lives is billions and billions and billions and, err, not worth it. Harsh, but there WILL be people saying that who have clout.
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basilrobbie
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There is some research to suggest that people actually touch their faces MORE as a result of the business of putting them on and removing them. And arguably the benefit of wearing them accrues more to the people you aren't breathing on than it does to you.
Insider
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I agree science appears to be that wearing masks protects others more than you, so don't be so selfish Robbie. 
I guess if you haven't stopped touching your face by now, when you are out and about between handwashes then you need to have a rethink.
I also accept the point about removing them may infect you so I am going to make the outrageous suggestion that you wash your hands then as well before you start picking your nose.
So protect others by wearing them and protect yourself by improving your hygiene.
We have to get the economy moving again.
For now, stay at home, stay safe, protect the NHS to coin a phrase.
I guess if you haven't stopped touching your face by now, when you are out and about between handwashes then you need to have a rethink.
I also accept the point about removing them may infect you so I am going to make the outrageous suggestion that you wash your hands then as well before you start picking your nose.
So protect others by wearing them and protect yourself by improving your hygiene.
We have to get the economy moving again.
For now, stay at home, stay safe, protect the NHS to coin a phrase.
Lala
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Can do more harm than good if not disposed of safely either. I can't be the only one whose seen latex or surgical type gloves worn and just tossed on the ground outside afterwards
Johnno
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TangerineBayern
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Lala
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It’s in 2 of the daily papers today.
TangerineBayern
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Many thanks Lala, makes sense but not sure about the dates.
Old_Laytonian
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I think the pub/restaurant timing is a tad optimistic unfortunately
incredible_edibles
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Would agree with that. The problem is that unlike most other areas of the world, some (and it's the minority) Brits need telling or they will just go amok. Sadly that affects the rest of us.
seasideone
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It is not just about lives lost from the Virus, many will die if the lockdown continues - for example the NHS have seen a massive drop in anyone going for early diagnosis with many diseases such as cancer.
It is not a simple as just saying people are still dying from the virus so we must stay locked down.
Wizaard
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Plus masks will lead to a sense of invulnerability, both spreading and resisting, especially if it's some hooky internet purchase.
Hertsseasider
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Just imagine Boris comes on TV and announces masks are compulsory. There are over 66m people in the UK
a) we don't have enough masks
b) we would be denying people that REALLY need a mask one.
It's all very well other countries doing so but look at the populations i.e Luxemburg 1/2 m, Belgium 11m
a) we don't have enough masks
b) we would be denying people that REALLY need a mask one.
It's all very well other countries doing so but look at the populations i.e Luxemburg 1/2 m, Belgium 11m
Beagle
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And of course masks are a once only use.
Beagle
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I don't think the collation of deaths is meant to be a comprehensive list. The way they are using the 'data' is to see the effectiveness of the measures that have been introduced to the population as a whole and how to plan the next step.
Of course people in care homes are very important but the measures taken there are completely different to the nation as a whole.
As the DCMO said again the only way you ever get a full view of how many deaths there have been is by looking at total deaths and then comparing to historical deaths in the same period.
The collation is different in every country. At least the UK are checking everyone in hospital so is a fair reflection of what is going on.
I was reading about the reporting from Ecuador where one province recorded 6700 deaths for the first 2 weeks in April when for that period they would normally expect 1000 deaths. The reported number of deaths for the whole country for COVD 19 was 456!
poolseasider
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Correct Beagle I don't think folk have reliased that the masks are for one single use the minute you take it off it should be put in the bin.
The don't stop you getting it anyway you can get it threw your eyes just slows down someone with the virus spreading.
The don't stop you getting it anyway you can get it threw your eyes just slows down someone with the virus spreading.
Insider
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My neighbour has diversified and starting making masks of hospital grade. He has given us a few samples and assures me they can be re-used (not saying this would apply in an ICU).
seasideone
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The masks given to the population of Singapore by the government are re-useable and washable
Obviously these are not surgical and not that we have any of these either!!
Covid-19: Nearly 3 million free reusable masks given to S’pore households so far
SINGAPORE — A total of 2.98 million reusable face masks had been given out to households to help stem the spread of Covid-19 as of 4pm on Tuesday (April 7), said the People’s Association.
tangerine_neil
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Sorry, but we’ve been lied to and deliberately misled on face masks due to the pitiful stock levels and complete absence of pandemic emergency risk mitigations.
They need to be medical grade, ideally with a built in respirator to slow down the saturation rate. Each version will have a maximum hourly usage recommendation.
They need to be the right size for your face (S/M/L).
They need to be fitted to your face with no gaps, and tested for fit.
Ideally, you should put them on before going out, with clean hands and take them off carefully and disposed in a bin. It’s a shame they didn’t spend as long telling us how to put on / take off masks safely, as they’ve spent telling us how to wash our hands.
The medical masks are wear once and dispose. Not sure about these re-usable ones from Singapore. The process of washing & cleaning will be high risk imo.
They protect you and other people. It’s a two-way benefit.
Really you should also wear a visor or goggles for added protection and to prevent the risk of catching it through your eyes.
They need to be medical grade, ideally with a built in respirator to slow down the saturation rate. Each version will have a maximum hourly usage recommendation.
They need to be the right size for your face (S/M/L).
They need to be fitted to your face with no gaps, and tested for fit.
Ideally, you should put them on before going out, with clean hands and take them off carefully and disposed in a bin. It’s a shame they didn’t spend as long telling us how to put on / take off masks safely, as they’ve spent telling us how to wash our hands.
The medical masks are wear once and dispose. Not sure about these re-usable ones from Singapore. The process of washing & cleaning will be high risk imo.
They protect you and other people. It’s a two-way benefit.
Really you should also wear a visor or goggles for added protection and to prevent the risk of catching it through your eyes.
seasideone
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Nothing is 100% so I am just staying in - and having everything delivered - which is probably my point of weaknes!