Turn the boats around

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Matesrates

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That’s what Pritti Patel is planning after talks with the French proved fruitless. Can’t see how this can work though. Border force “turn around “ migrants “no”, so what do they do?

The French are saying this is dangerous and under international maritime law, people at risk of losing their lives at sea must be rescued. Well why aren’t the French rescuing them then?
 
Matesrates said:
That’s what Pritti Patel is planning after talks with the French proved fruitless. Can’t see how this can work though. Border force “turn around “ migrants “no”, so what do they do?

The French are saying this is dangerous and under international maritime law, people at risk of losing their lives at sea must be rescued. Well why aren’t the French rescuing them then?
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Talks with the French proved fruitless though there reportedly were plenty of onions.
 
Apparently it’s a tactic used by the Australians to good effect. Our border force have been training on the technique for some months and are almost ready. The legalities have been thrashed out and it seems it is legal though there would probably be legal challenge at some point.
Some of the vessels are very small and precarious. So pushing them back safely is difficult to perceive. And wouldn’t it just take a few migrants to jump into the sea to force our hand and initiate a rescue? We need to disincentivise them from starting the journey. The knowledge they will be accepted into the UK is the problem. We need to turn them around whether it’s in the sea or once they’ve reached the UK. They’re illegal immigrants. There were 1,100 who attempted the crossing on Monday according to Sky.
 
Always thought it was a strange tactic to provide France £50m+ to stop people leaving their shores when actually what the French want is to allow them to leave.

Regardless of whether we were EU or not, France is hardly going to put a lot of effort into retaining thousands of people that costing them a fortune in policing and aid when a laissez faire approach would be a win in all aspects for them.

As for the UK new approach (if it even happens) it does seem very inhumane.
 
The UK gave France twice as much money and the French are escorting twice as many immigrants across the Channel. Maybe there was a breakdown in the language barrier somewhere along the line.
 
Malced said:
Apparently it’s a tactic used by the Australians to good effect. Our border force have been training on the technique for some months and are almost ready. The legalities have been thrashed out and it seems it is legal though there would probably be legal challenge at some point.
Some of the vessels are very small and precarious. So pushing them back safely is difficult to perceive. And wouldn’t it just take a few migrants to jump into the sea to force our hand and initiate a rescue? We need to disincentivise them from starting the journey. The knowledge they will be accepted into the UK is the problem. We need to turn them around whether it’s in the sea or once they’ve reached the UK. They’re illegal immigrants. There were 1,100 who attempted the crossing on Monday according to Sky.
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Said clearly today by spokesperson for Border Force Union that probably won't happen , even once. Saying impractical, dangerous and would need intervention by French boats, just posturing.
 
Malced said:
Apparently it’s a tactic used by the Australians to good effect. Our border force have been training on the technique for some months and are almost ready. The legalities have been thrashed out and it seems it is legal though there would probably be legal challenge at some point.
Some of the vessels are very small and precarious. So pushing them back safely is difficult to perceive. And wouldn’t it just take a few migrants to jump into the sea to force our hand and initiate a rescue? We need to disincentivise them from starting the journey. The knowledge they will be accepted into the UK is the problem. We need to turn them around whether it’s in the sea or once they’ve reached the UK. They’re illegal immigrants. There were 1,100 who attempted the crossing on Monday according to Sky.
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Or maybe wipe out the multi-billions' in unpayable debt that cripple the chances of 3rd world countries from ever being able to provide a comparable standard of living. The rich countries won't do that though so people now take it upon themselves to better their life.
 
Tangojoe said:
The UK gave France twice as much money and the French are escorting twice as many immigrants across the Channel. Maybe there was a breakdown in the language barrier somewhere along the line.
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Project Fear warned numbers would go up and it fell on deaf ears. Well it's yet another reality now.
 
Always tangerine said:
Said clearly today by spokesperson for Border Force Union that probably won't happen , even once. Saying impractical, dangerous and would need intervention by French boats, just posturing.
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I agree. It's never going to happen and the publicity would be terrible if it did.

We're a country that's short of workers and - let's face it - most of these are economic migrants anyway. What we need are credible policies that allow a set number to crack on and start contributing asap. I don't know why people get wound up about immigration anyway. We've swapped millions of legal EU migrants for a few thousand illegal immigrants.

Most immigrants also hold culturally conservative values as well so I don't buy into the liberal demographic argument about immigrants always voting Labour. Not too many wokies in Afghanistan or West Africa.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Or maybe wipe out the multi-billions' in unpayable debt that cripple the chances of 3rd world countries from ever being able to provide a comparable standard of living. The rich countries won't do that though so people now take it upon themselves to better their life.
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Fair point. Totally agree.
 
Always tangerine said:
Said clearly today by spokesperson for Border Force Union that probably won't happen , even once. Saying impractical, dangerous and would need intervention by French boats, just posturing.
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Yeah. Looks like another gimmick for PR purposes.
 
Can you imagine the reaction if a small migrant vessel was turned round, then overturned and all its occupants drowned? Totally inhumane and impractical. More publicity-seeking words from this government with no action to follow. The one who should be deported is called Patel. Totally useless!
 
Chunkylad said:
Always thought it was a strange tactic to provide France £50m+ to stop people leaving their shores when actually what the French want is to allow them to leave.

Regardless of whether we were EU or not, France is hardly going to put a lot of effort into retaining thousands of people that costing them a fortune in policing and aid when a laissez faire approach would be a win in all aspects for them.

As for the UK new approach (if it even happens) it does seem very inhumane.
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But the French wanting shut of 'em is perfectly ok?
 
Wizzerboy said:
But the French wanting shut of 'em is perfectly ok?
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Last night's news had a demonstration of how its done. The traffickers send out a small boat with a few refugees in it. The French react to that and while they're busy, bigger boats set off and beat the patrol. They don't want shut of them.
 
Does anyone seriously believe the French have so far stopped in access of 10,000 boats from coming?

No me neither.

Roll on the rough weather because its the only thing that will stop them.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Does anyone seriously believe the French have so far stopped in access of 10,000 boats from coming?

No me neither.

Roll on the rough weather because its the only thing that will stop them.
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Nothing will stop them. We are simply too stinking rich compared to where they come from. Better off just accepting that and sharing some of our wealth with those gutsy and determined individuals who want to have some of what we have.

Cutting the foreign aid budget will only help to accelerate the flow and also, now that we no longer contribute to the EU budget, the EU won't be able to provide as much budget to their African Development Fund which hoped to get African countries more self sustaining by 2030, in the hope the migrant flow could be held back. The EU used to be the UK's buffer zone. It isn't any more.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Nothing will stop them. We are simply too stinking rich compared to where they come from. Better off just accepting that and sharing some of our wealth with those gutsy and determined individuals who want to have some of what we have.

Cutting the foreign aid budget will only help to accelerate the flow and also, now that we no longer contribute to the EU budget, the EU won't be able to provide as much budget to their African Development Fund which hoped to get African countries more self sustaining by 2030, in the hope the migrant flow could be held back. The EU used to be the UK's buffer zone. It isn't any more.
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But they come from France?
What’s wrong with staying putt?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
But they come from France?
What’s wrong with staying putt?
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France could justifiably say the same thing as from what I understand the migrants usually start their journey in southern Europe - Italy or Greece
We need a unified European approach to try and tackle this problem and as BHOK states above the underlying problem is global disparities in wealth.
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
Can we use the words human or person rather than migrant?
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Ok. As long as we use that word in all references to a person. So a worker is a person. We don’t say worker anymore. A holidaymaker is a person. We don’t say holidaymakers come to Blackpool we say persons come to Blackpool. We don’t say customers we say persons. We don’t say bride and groom. We say person and person or we toast them at the wedding and say ‘let’s be upstanding for the human and human.’
Actually let’s not be ridiculous. They are migrants. So that’s the term we can and should use. If you feel some stigma with that term then that’s your issue. We don’t call criminals persons or humans. We call them criminals. We don’t call priests humans. We don’t call footballers persons. Why don’t we just completely stop talking in case someone over sensitive is offended or starts crying about using fully appropriate and relevant language?!
 
Maybe I am missing the point but how many of these people sailing across the channel has anyone seen in their day to day lives, would they even know if they had seen any?
Has anybody been negatively impacted in their daily life by any of these people?
Just seems to be a thing that gets certain people really wound up but is the thought of it worse than the reality for many people.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Try asking them. One thing is for sure, the rule you seem to hang your hopes on about them staying put in the first safe country, won't matter one tiny iota to them.
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I don’t need to ask them as I know they come here for a reason.

And I think we all know what that is in fact several reasons why they come here.
 
Malced said:
Ok. As long as we use that word in all references to a person. So a worker is a person. We don’t say worker anymore. A holidaymaker is a person. We don’t say holidaymakers come to Blackpool we say persons come to Blackpool. We don’t say customers we say persons. We don’t say bride and groom. We say person and person or we toast them at the wedding and say ‘let’s be upstanding for the human and human.’
Actually let’s not be ridiculous. They are migrants. So that’s the term we can and should use. If you feel some stigma with that term then that’s your issue. We don’t call criminals persons or humans. We call them criminals. We don’t call priests humans. We don’t call footballers persons. Why don’t we just completely stop talking in case someone over sensitive is offended or starts crying about using fully appropriate and relevant language?!
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My, we are touchy. 🤣 Very true though.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t need to ask them as I know they come here for a reason.

And I think we all know what that is in fact several reasons why they come here.
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Perish the thought that any of these people come here looking for a better life

You can’t stop them coming and that’s what eats you up inside each and every day.
 
Post Brexit, exactly what incentive is there for the French to do anything but point them in our direction and say ‘au revoir’ so that they are no longer an EU problem?
 
Recidivist3 said:
Perish the thought that any of these people come here looking for a better life

You can’t stop them coming and that’s what eats you up inside each and every day.
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There’s a much better life in the country their in now France so why risk their lives crossing a sea to leave?

Oh must be a rack of benefits waiting for them here I’am guessing.

And what eats me up inside is we’re putting these people top of the priority list instead of our own people.

Did you watch the ITV 10pm news last night? I suggest you watch the documentary if you didn’t you might learn something on Britain’s housing crisis and the squaller thousands are having to live in, yes right here in the 21st century on our doorstep.

Not that you care about people in this country as you’ve often commented about in the past.
 
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