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bill40 said:
What? Any female reporting this stuff this stuff is automatically believed. Due process and the presumtion of in innocence has gone out of the window.
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I am afraid that attitude, to me, stinks of misogyny. That’s what all this #MeToo is all about. Women have not been believed in the past when their assailant is a powerful or influential man.

Of course sexual assault allegations are taken seriously and investigated in depth by the police to make sure they stand up. The problem is that there are usually no other witnesses. If it goes to court, it’s the jury that decides whether the woman is believed.. it’s not automatic as you imply.
 
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bill40 said:
What? Any female reporting this stuff this stuff is automatically believed. Due process and the presumtion of in innocence has gone out of the window.
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Yet you presumed the woman/women would be guilty of ‘ false memory syndrome ‘ earlier in the thread.
 
bill40 said:
Not just false, but also distorted, confused and one other thing. A liar.
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Indeed. I see it completely the opposite to how you see it. You say she or they are a liar, I say he’s a sexual predator and probably a rapist.
If you can condemn someone you’ve never met then so can I, and your case for telling us not to assume he is guilty loses all credibility.
 
Is it just a coincidence that these allegations refer to the period 2006 to 2013 when Brand was living and working in Los Angeles trying to break into films? A period when Harvey Weinstein was running much of the film industry in Hollywood? Possibly not.
 
Lala said:
Indeed. I see it completely the opposite to how you see it. You say she or they are a liar, I say he’s a sexual predator and probably a rapist.
If you can condemn someone you’ve never met then so can I, and your case for telling us not to assume he is guilty loses all credibility.
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The presumption of innocence is exactly how the law is supposed to work.
 
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Accusations are ten a penny in the #metoo era. It could be that all the allegations are, not motivated by money at all and no memories haves been altered due to drink and drug consumption.
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Except some of these accusations were made contemporaneously and even in text to Brand where he replies back not denying but apologising. Honestly it just sounds like you've not even read the report and are just being pig ignorant.
 
foggy said:
Except some of these accusations were made contemporaneously and even in text to Brand where he replies back not denying but apologising. Honestly it just sounds like you've not even read the report and are just being pig ignorant.
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Denying what? have you never had a sexual encounter you regretted?
 
bill40 said:
It's a report about events at least a decade after they happened. They took the drugs and alcohol offered, they took the so called 'good life' and now regret it. perfectly understandable but even women are responsible for their own choices.
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The report includes a text message verified to and from Brands number that you just willingly defended despite the fact he practically admits to rape in it and you haven't even bothered to read it. Step away from the keyboard and ask yourself why you are so ignorantly throwing yourself Infront of bullets for a man you don't know and defaming and making up disgusting statements about these women when you can't even be bothered to read the report from a four year long investigation. It's not a hard task is it, to read something before you comment on it?
 
bill40 said:
Allegedly. I'd get used to that word if I were you, he did not admit to rape not even practically whatever that means. You swallow this guff whole I don't.
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She literally told him he is dangerous, she was scared, and that no means no and that he took advantage of her. He replies not denying this, but profusely apologising and saying how embarrassed he is and begging for forgiveness. Now that is not normal behaviour if someone is falsely accusing you is it. That's admittance.

You are too ignorant to bother to read and instead satisfy yourself with making libellous comments calling these women liars and drunks and drug users who want to extort him. If there were any justice you would be sued into oblivion. You sound like a danger to women to be honest
 
bill40 said:
Totally out of context and I mean totally. And also made up. It's called regret sex. These taxts are very easy to edit to the conclusion you want.
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Explain how they are out of context. Explain how one person saying no means no and the other begging for forgiveness and apologising for their actions actually means something else.

I'm being serious here, you are being extremely defamatory and if this is how you view consent you sound like an absolute creep who shouldn't be around women.
 
I see that the woman who was 16 at the time she met Brand told the Times she took her allegations to his literary agent Angharad Wood, the co-founder of Tavistock Wood back in 2020.

Tavistock Wood now say "Russell Brand categorically and vehemently denied the allegation made in 2020, but we now believe we were horribly misled by him. Tavistock Wood has terminated all professional ties to Brand."

They must have been recently made privy to some pretty damning evidence to do that.

bill40 said:
It's a report about events at least a decade after they happened. They took the drugs and alcohol offered, they took the so called 'good life' and now regret it. perfectly understandable but even women are responsible for their own choices.
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And this attitude is a perfect example of why women have been reticent to report rapes and sexual assaults.
The knowledge that they'll be viewed as at least partly responsible, and the perpetrators all too rarely held to account.
 
bill40 said:
Anyone suggesting that I shoundn't be around women is projecting so right back at you. I may bore women to death these days because my interests are cricket and opera but that's by the by. Now to brass tacks. Why have these allegations not been made pub lic before? Any decent defence team will demand to see these so called admissions in real time. Why weren't these allegations taken directly to the police? This is called a hit job. It's also exactly what I said this would be, unsubstanciated guff.
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Why werent they made public before says man who defames these women as drunks, druggies and extortioners without even bothering to read their stories. I see you couldn't come up with how they were out of context could you.
 
bill40 said:
Yes and I also think they're anticipating a barrow full of money. That is precisely what i think.
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And I think he’s a sexual predator and probably a rapist. It’s good we can all say what we think 👍
 
bill40 said:
It's a report about events at least a decade after they happened. They took the drugs and alcohol offered, they took the so called 'good life' and now regret it. perfectly understandable but even women are responsible for their own choices.
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She ‘regretted’ it the day after when she went to a rape crisis centre, not ten years later.
 
Lala said:
And I think he’s a sexual predator and probably a rapist. It’s good we can all say what we think 👍
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I'm interested to hear how this titan of intellect thinks someone can extort a celebrity out of money after coming foward with allegations using their real name.
 
Lala said:
She ‘regretted’ it the day after when she went to a rape crisis centre, not ten years later.
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I have genuinely missed this bit, who went forward to a rape crisis centre the day after? I stress this is a genuine question.
 
bill40 said:
No I'm not I said that, that's what had occurred at the time by their\ own admission. You have a very elevated idea of what women actually do.
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A massive sweeping misogynistic generalisation which can also be construed as victim shaming. Take your pick.
 
bill40 said:
yes I did.
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"Not just false, but also distorted, confused and one other thing. A liar."

I do not see the word 'possibility' here. Are you drunk? You might want to give it up for the night and reassess in the morning.
 
foggy said:
"Not just false, but also distorted, confused and one other thing. A liar."

I do not see the word 'possibility' here. Are you drunk? You might want to give it up for the night and reassess in the morning.
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Yes women lie and so do men. Are you surprised by this?
 
bill40 said:
Opinions are like arseholes we all have one. Some of you believe allegations on assumption some of us don't.
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There's a difference between being sceptical and wanting more evidence and calling someone a drunken blackmailing liar while refusing to actually read the evidence though isn't there Bill.
 
bill40 said:
Opinions are like arseholes we all have one. Some of you believe allegations on assumption some of us don't.
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Ay, and some victim shame and some actually read the report first.

Anyway, Dispatches calls. It might pay for you to watch and get some facts in.
 
foggy said:
Do you know like 2 minutes ago you were saying you hadn't called her a liar? Seriously how sloshed are you right now. You can't even keep track can you. If you call someone a blackmailing liar that is libel.
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I said women can lie like everyone else incuding you and I.
 
bill40 said:
I said women can lie like everyone else incuding you and I.
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No you didn't. You called her a liar. Do I need to give your quote back to you again?


"Not just false, but also distorted, confused and one other thing. A liar."
 
bill40 said:
Shut up you ridiclous boor. Women get drunk, women take drugs, women shag around, women lie and indeed blackmail. Just like men do.
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And accusing a particular woman of extortion and making a false accusation is libellous. Sorry if it bores you but it is true.
 
foggy said:
And accusing a particular woman of extortion and making a false accusation is libellous. Sorry if it bores you but it is true.
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It isn't true it's an allegation. If C4 thought it was true they'd have gone to the police first. As it won't stick they've gone public with the emootive before facts. I'm sad I love C4.
 
bill40 said:
It isn't true it's an allegation. If C4 thought it was true they'd have gone to the police first. As it won't stick they've gone public with the emootive before facts. I'm sad I love C4.
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A post which has nothing to do with what you are replying to. Put down the bottle for the night.
 
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