Understand why they’d stick with him

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There is clearly a trust thing with Appleton going on whereas, whether right or wrong, they have come up with a plan for January (and presume that’s been a massive job if we have 3 plus Lyons coming in this week) and really Nov/Dec has been all about damage limitation.

Am sure all three (Simon, Ben and the manager) didn’t expect we’d do as badly as we have done - or actually the fans would turn as quickly as they have - but they have made their plans and to ditch the person who has helped them make it might be considered remiss.

They are taking a massive gamble but hopefully the right players will come in, the lads from Coventry will help get a decent squad by the end of Jan and as a collective we can get across the finishing line by May.

However, if we do survive, or if we do go down, I really hope Simon looks at this season and asks the question as to whether he has appointed the right man because he’d be blinkered not to know how the fans feel about him and I don’t think he’d be far from another rumble of discontent every time we lost if he stays.
 
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There is a feeling of inevitability about him staying and actually if Bowler came back and we got Rogers then it’d take the heat off and serve as a distraction (along with a few wins!).

I suppose at that point we have to watch him and see how he does between now and the end of the season and see if the fans warm to him.
 
As well as players in, I'd like to see Stewart released by whatever means required. He's like a dark shadow over the playing side. Oh, and Ward, Bridcutt, obviously.
 
Why has falling over a stool at home taken three months and still no word on a return?
The key issue around Gabriel is that for all his obvious attributes and his great community work etc…. He actually isn’t all that good. Hugely overrated
 
The key issue around Gabriel is that for all his obvious attributes and his great community work etc…. He actually isn’t all that good. Hugely overrated
Surely a fit Gabriel plays at RB every game? Granted he does have a mistake in him and his defensive play does need some work but his effort and age are massive pluses for me. Think he will be a very good player for us.
 
Surely a fit Gabriel plays at RB every game? Granted he does have a mistake in him and his defensive play does need some work but his effort and age are massive pluses for me. Think he will be a very good player for us.
Hopefully Lyons will prove to be better but could equally turn out to be absolute garbage!
 
Surely a fit Gabriel plays at RB every game? Granted he does have a mistake in him and his defensive play does need some work but his effort and age are massive pluses for me. Think he will be a very good player for us.
Just like a fit Stewart plays in midfield every game.
Unfortunately neither are fit🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Let’s be honest…. What’s the alternative? Not much out there really. The board need to back him to the hilt this window!
 
I suspect that is one of the main reasons they'll stick with Appleton. There isn't a lot of other options, I suspect they know they didn't do all they should in terms or the summer business and when you see how other clubs who have new managers have done, it's a stark warning. Rotherham*, Wigan, Huddersfield, Cardiff & Stoke have all rolled the dice and got a lower number.

*I appreciate Rotherham lost their manager for a different reason.
 
Completely different argument and the appearances show that Gabriel has played twice the amount of games as Stewart. IMO appears to have been unlucky with injuries, I’m willing to come back to the argument if he continues to be injury prone over the years. But so far I can’t put both those in the same argument
 
There is clearly a trust thing with Appleton going on whereas, whether right or wrong, they have come up with a plan for January (and presume that’s been a massive job if we have 3 plus Lyons coming in this week) and really Nov/Dec has been all about damage limitation.

Am sure all three (Simon, Ben and the manager) didn’t expect we’d do as badly as we have done - or actually the fans would turn as quickly as they have - but they have made their plans and to ditch the person who has helped them make it might be considered remiss.

They are taking a massive gamble but hopefully the right players will come in, the lads from Coventry will help get a decent squad by the end of Jan and as a collective we can get across the finishing line by May.

However, if we do survive, or if we do go down, I really hope Simon looks at this season and asks the question as to whether he has appointed the right man because he’d be blinkered not to know how the fans feel about him and I don’t think he’d be far from another rumble of discontent every time we lost if he stays.
Call me strange or whatever but I genuinely think with a good transfer window we can be absolutely fine this season.

I’ve seen more than enough in terms of the start of the season results (Burnley away, Preston home, Watford home) to see the manager has got SOMETHING about him. I’ve seen more than enough grit and determination from the players over this festive period to fight to see that they’re still in it for the long haul.

I understand the argument of playing players out of position but he maybe feels the personnel we have in the positions aren’t good enough? Beesley playing out wide won’t happen again if Bowler comes in. Maybe even if Rodgers comes in. Connolley can finally play his favoured position of holding midfield after his suspension when Lyons slots in, that’s hoping Lyons is up to standard. Just want to see us bring in another permanent and 1 more loan in this window, along with Rodgers, Bowler & Lyons and I think we will be fine. Rotherham seem to be in free fall, Wigan concede 4 goals a game. We’ve more than enough to stay up and I think we will.

Bowler coming back in alone will lift all the players from last year and hopefully the fans begin to support the team again - but I’m not holding my breath on that.
 
Call me strange or whatever but I genuinely think with a good transfer window we can be absolutely fine this season.

I’ve seen more than enough in terms of the start of the season results (Burnley away, Preston home, Watford home) to see the manager has got SOMETHING about him. I’ve seen more than enough grit and determination from the players over this festive period to fight to see that they’re still in it for the long haul.

I understand the argument of playing players out of position but he maybe feels the personnel we have in the positions aren’t good enough? Beesley playing out wide won’t happen again if Bowler comes in. Maybe even if Rodgers comes in. Connolley can finally play his favoured position of holding midfield after his suspension when Lyons slots in, that’s hoping Lyons is up to standard. Just want to see us bring in another permanent and 1 more loan in this window, along with Rodgers, Bowler & Lyons and I think we will be fine. Rotherham seem to be in free fall, Wigan concede 4 goals a game. We’ve more than enough to stay up and I think we will.

Bowler coming back in alone will lift all the players from last year and hopefully the fans begin to support the team again - but I’m not holding my breath on that.
The way some of the fan base have just totally given up has been nothing short of embarrassing given all the factors that have actually played a part.

To solely blame MA is obsurd. If he gets backed then fails after Jan then you can half question him but so far absolutly nothing to me indicates that he has ever been the problem behind the results. I trust him and believe with proper support from the powers at be above him we will be absolutly fine.

If we held on Saturday we’d have been out the bottom 3 and people be eating their words. I really feel like we are due that winning result. If the quality gets added this month and we increase strength in depth we will stay up and I hope he flys over to the top of the north stand swinging his corey around at all the self entitled, spoilt, clueless plebs who have blamed him for the state of affairs that have been out of his control.
 
The way some of the fan base have just totally given up has been nothing short of embarrassing given all the factors that have actually played a part.

To solely blame MA is obsurd. If he gets backed then fails after Jan then you can half question him but so far absolutly nothing to me indicates that he has ever been the problem behind the results. I trust him and believe with proper support from the powers at be above him we will be absolutly fine.

If we held on Saturday we’d have been out the bottom 3 and people be eating their words. I really feel like we are due that winning result. If the quality gets added this month and we increase strength in depth we will stay up and I hope he flys over to the top of the north stand swinging his corey around at all the self entitled, spoilt, clueless plebs who have blamed him for the state of affairs that have been out of his control.
Unfortunately we seem to have adopted a self-entitlement amongst our fan base and I’m not sure where it’s come from.

1 win and it’ll click for us I think. Huddersfield at home is going to be massive. But, before that, for the likes of me and you (those who haven’t given up following and supporting the team or club) it’s Watford away first.
 
Yea f he was going to go they would of done it in the World Cup break, what’s the biggest gamble bringing in appletons targeted recruits and cracking on or bringing a new manager in who wants things done differently, at this stage in the season I’d say the latter is the biggest gamble. So get the players and crack on with the full backing of The Tangerine faithful please.
 
Yea f he was going to go they would of done it in the World Cup break, what’s the biggest gamble bringing in appletons targeted recruits and cracking on or bringing a new manager in who wants things done differently, at this stage in the season I’d say the latter is the biggest gamble. So get the players and crack on with the full backing of The Tangerine faithful please.
Yep bang on
 
Long post. Too long. Ridiculous.

Should he stay or should he go now?
If he goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double.

I feel a bit like this! After Wigan I told my son I thought Appleton would get the games up to new year to see if he could turn it round. And the club would consider alternatives during that period to have somebody in place should the trigger be pulled. That might still be the case but it doesn't feel like it.

It's not all his fault. And to a large extent it's just a case of us competing with bigger clubs with bigger fan bases, and fans expectations need to be realistic. You can't keep boxing a weight higher and expect to keep winning.

Colby Bishop chose Pompey over us partly I think cos he saw a bigger club, more fans and more likelihood of success. And similar wages. I'm not convinced he's better than what we have tbh but his choice sort of made sense from a neutral perspective I think.

Same with managers. Who applied after Critch left? We clearly didn't have a great field to choose from, despite us being solvent, 2 good seasons behind us with a supportive owner. Quite perplexing but maybe people felt Critch hit the glass ceiling. I bet Critch felt that. Appleton at least had the balls to take it on. After recovering from cancer. He's a fighter, albeit a rather dour one.

He didn't attract the calibre of loans we hoped for. For whatever reason. But the best loan player has barely featured. You have to ask why, it's not all down to the player surely.

And MA isnt confident to adapt what we do. He has built a single template it seems and just wants the players to fulfil that. I think that's a major weakness and has cost us. Don't moan about what we haven't got, make the best of what we have. That's your job. You're a leader. Every manager has to work with the available resources. There are deficiencies in the United and Liverpool squads. Klopp and Ten Haag get on with it. Conte is a bit of a moaner, and his days are probably numbered. Moan lose moan lose goodbye!

Midfield is the crux of the issue. Yes, Stewart and Bridcutt would make a big difference and that's not Appletons fault. But don't send out two kids and a maverick, especially against top 6 sides. Dougall isnt Casemiro or Kante but he wins the ball and knows the job. It's insane not to use him in the circumstances. We could maybe even put Connolly in there and play 343. But that's not the template. We are rigid in our thinking.

I like that Appleton stays positive with his tactics. But I don't like how easily we are dominated for long periods. Not attempting to address it demonstrates either stubbornness or inability to think a different way. Or both. He looks frozen in the touchline while our midfield disappears. It's really not good enough.

Stay or go? I'd change the boss if we had a good alternative lined up. But it's not a simple thing to do. Especially mid season. Settling in period plus all the coaching staff changes etc even if we find someone. So I think we will give Appleton better tools and hope that boosts us and gets the fans back onside. Bowler should help with that. Which is vital. We only do well when the fans are fully behind the team.

We need midfield strengthening obviously, but maybe another RB and possibly a CB. Send Williams back. And probably Fiorini given his injury situation . I'm really hoping Patino stays, he just needs to be in a stronger midfield set up. We need more leaders on the pitch. Like a CB and a CM. Two CMs ideally. Bridcutt without crutches, a 32 year old Uncle Richard. If we can find them. Vocal experience.

Under Critch we were really solid and organised but struggled to create. I said when MA arrived that if he could build creativity onto that solid foundation he'd do well but could he keep that solidity? He's completely removed the midfield base and made us far too easy to play against. Warnock was laughing about McAtee's goal against us during last nights QPR v Sheff U commentary. I thought fuck off you wanker - but that goal was diabolical. At the time I just thought Appleton has to go, that's beyond ridiculous. It was just an exaggerated moment that illustrated how soft centred we are. I struggle to understand how, with all his coaching background, he can set a side up so flimsily.

But. He's only had 6 months. We've been short at RB and DM. Madine has had to play far too much. No Josh or Keshi. Filling the weak parts of the team and pulling together is probably the least worst option, in the absence of a clear alternative head coach, I think I think. Arguments both ways, I can see both sides. Appleton really needs to learn to use his squad better though, talk better, adapt better, react better. I'm not sure he can and 4 years always looked incredibly optimistic.
 
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Call me strange or whatever but I genuinely think with a good transfer window we can be absolutely fine this season.

I’ve seen more than enough in terms of the start of the season results (Burnley away, Preston home, Watford home) to see the manager has got SOMETHING about him. I’ve seen more than enough grit and determination from the players over this festive period to fight to see that they’re still in it for the long haul.

I understand the argument of playing players out of position but he maybe feels the personnel we have in the positions aren’t good enough? Beesley playing out wide won’t happen again if Bowler comes in. Maybe even if Rodgers comes in. Connolley can finally play his favoured position of holding midfield after his suspension when Lyons slots in, that’s hoping Lyons is up to standard. Just want to see us bring in another permanent and 1 more loan in this window, along with Rodgers, Bowler & Lyons and I think we will be fine. Rotherham seem to be in free fall, Wigan concede 4 goals a game. We’ve more than enough to stay up and I think we will.

Bowler coming back in alone will lift all the players from last year and hopefully the fans begin to support the team again - but I’m not holding my breath on that.
I actually thought the support was brilliant at the Sunderland game.
 
I personally think it was a huge mistake appointing a manager they knew was unpopular, you could forgive it with Grayson as Sadler might not have anticipated fan perception of him but this time around he actually addressed the fact we didn't like it and that we have to trust the football that will be served up. It was doubling down and thus far it hasn't come off at all.

He had a job to do to win us round, now he has an even bigger job. He certainly wasn't given much of a fighting chance with the summer recruitment, let's hope they do 2nd time of asking.

The trust thing might be more to do with the fact if they pot him it's a complete admission of fault. After Sadler's aforementioned comments it would be a huge fuck up on their part in appointing him against the wishes of the fans, not backing him then sacking him - complete egg on face. I bet there is some squeaky bums in regards to it eventually working out.
 
The problem that Blackpool face is that the club doesn't operate in a vacuum where the other teams will be inactive in the transfer
and be working to solve their own problems within their team and squad. Teams will have also now scouted Blackpool and realized that
Appleton plays a system that allows the other teams to play through them and allows plenty of space for wingers to pressure the Blackpool fullbacks. I don't think this will change with better wingers. My biggest worry is that Appleton lacks the nouse as a manager and fails to react quickly when the team is being dominated as shown against Sunderland in the second half. He is also a poor coach at this level.
Appleton's previous relationship with Mansford will ensure that he will get to the end of the season. I expect that there will be 3 or 4 additions to the team which will probably be funded by the sale of Jerry Yates, as Bowler was the source of funds in the previous window. But if this season ends in relegation both Mansford and Appleton's positions will be untenable and I expect them to be sacked or resign.
 
Call me strange or whatever but I genuinely think with a good transfer window we can be absolutely fine this season.

I’ve seen more than enough in terms of the start of the season results (Burnley away, Preston home, Watford home) to see the manager has got SOMETHING about him. I’ve seen more than enough grit and determination from the players over this festive period to fight to see that they’re still in it for the long haul.

I understand the argument of playing players out of position but he maybe feels the personnel we have in the positions aren’t good enough? Beesley playing out wide won’t happen again if Bowler comes in. Maybe even if Rodgers comes in. Connolley can finally play his favoured position of holding midfield after his suspension when Lyons slots in, that’s hoping Lyons is up to standard. Just want to see us bring in another permanent and 1 more loan in this window, along with Rodgers, Bowler & Lyons and I think we will be fine. Rotherham seem to be in free fall, Wigan concede 4 goals a game. We’ve more than enough to stay up and I think we will.

Bowler coming back in alone will lift all the players from last year and hopefully the fans begin to support the team again - but I’m not holding my breath on that.
Connollys best position is starting from the bench, he's good cover but we need somebody better than him to start in central midfield.
 
I personally think it was a huge mistake appointing a manager they knew was unpopular, you could forgive it with Grayson as Sadler might not have anticipated fan perception of him but this time around he actually addressed the fact we didn't like it and that we have to trust the football that will be served up. It was doubling down and thus far it hasn't come off at all.

He had a job to do to win us round, now he has an even bigger job. He certainly wasn't given much of a fighting chance with the summer recruitment, let's hope they do 2nd time of asking.

The trust thing might be more to do with the fact if they pot him it's a complete admission of fault. After Sadler's aforementioned comments it would be a huge fuck up on their part in appointing him against the wishes of the fans, not backing him then sacking him - complete egg on face. I bet there is some squeaky bums in regards to it eventually working out.
Is it better to have egg on your face than be relegated? I'm sure Simon has cut his losses in his line of work far more than any of us.

I'm also confident that he'll make the right decision at the right time.
 
Must admit that I'm not an Appleton fan.
However, if he saves us from relegation I'll possibly change my mind.
 
Is it better to have egg on your face than be relegated? I'm sure Simon has cut his losses in his line of work far more than any of us.

I'm also confident that he'll make the right decision at the right time.
The right time was after the Wigan game… may aswell keep him now as we have zero ambition to get any of the much better managers currently available
 
Is it better to have egg on your face than be relegated? I'm sure Simon has cut his losses in his line of work far more than any of us.

I'm also confident that he'll make the right decision at the right time.
I think he showed when he potted Grayson he isn't afraid of a big decision, as you say he'll make 'em all the time in his line of work. I just reckon he's hoping more than you usually would that it works out because he's put his neck out on the line for Appleton when he admitted it's an unpopular appointment and we should trust his decisions.

By sacking any manager you're already admitting you got it wrong, but the sort of telling off he put out there when he appointed him just puts a bit more pressure on it working out - currently it isn't. Hopefully it motivates Sadler and the board that little bit more to back him properly this window, for their sake and Appleton's!
 
Not that you should ever stick with a manager for one player but it’s been interesting reading all the stuff about Morgan Rogers and the one time he really excelled as a player was when he was playing under Appleton.
 
The way some of the fan base have just totally given up has been nothing short of embarrassing given all the factors that have actually played a part.

To solely blame MA is obsurd. If he gets backed then fails after Jan then you can half question him but so far absolutly nothing to me indicates that he has ever been the problem behind the results. I trust him and believe with proper support from the powers at be above him we will be absolutly fine.

If we held on Saturday we’d have been out the bottom 3 and people be eating their words. I really feel like we are due that winning result. If the quality gets added this month and we increase strength in depth we will stay up and I hope he flys over to the top of the north stand swinging his corey around at all the self entitled, spoilt, clueless plebs who have blamed him for the state of affairs that have been out of his control.
Fully agree with this 👍
 
The team gave there all, we lost that game due to only having 10 players, nothing to do with the manager being at fault.
Nothing to do with the substitutions or lack of them...in fact lets just say Appleton has played a blinder and he has been excellent so far and is possibly the greatest manager we have ever had...thats how blind some fans are....he has been very ineffective at best, doesnt have the nous or tactical awareness to win if its not all going his way...has massive communication and motivation issues... he is what he is... a cheap league 1 or maybe even league 2 manager whose next job will be somewhere like Salford or Scunthorpe...I am not sorry that I dare to dream that we can do better...in fact much better
 
The team gave there all, we lost that game due to only having 10 players, nothing to do with the manager being at fault.
Do you know there aren't many games where the team having given their all but 8 sendings off, injuries and suspensions haven't helped .. HOWEVER .. I don't think the manager can either shoulder all the blame or be blameless. This has been a mistake-ridden season so far and it's not too late to make amends. IF there had been someone better out there who could have walked in and done a better job straight away I'd have taken them .. however we've seen with many Championship teams at the bottom that there aren't many managers who come in mid-season with a miracle cure.
 
The way some of the fan base have just totally given up has been nothing short of embarrassing given all the factors that have actually played a part.

To solely blame MA is obsurd. If he gets backed then fails after Jan then you can half question him but so far absolutly nothing to me indicates that he has ever been the problem behind the results. I trust him and believe with proper support from the powers at be above him we will be absolutly fine.

If we held on Saturday we’d have been out the bottom 3 and people be eating their words. I really feel like we are due that winning result. If the quality gets added this month and we increase strength in depth we will stay up and I hope he flys over to the top of the north stand swinging his corey around at all the self entitled, spoilt, clueless plebs who have blamed him for the state of affairs that have been out of his control.
I did say we was due a result and what a result it was today. Lets kick on now away to watford and beyond. We can do this 💪🏽
 
Get on board the roller coaster cause if we get a experienced centre half & a defensive midfielder or Connolly can do the job and the front four start clicking (Bowler Poveda Rogers/CJ & Yates) we’re gonna be flying. Perfect 10 again anyone ??
 
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