fcblackpool
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1000 cases in the SE, responsible in part for the rise.
No news whether the vaccine works on this one...
Not good
No news whether the vaccine works on this one...
Not good
Variant of 19 found
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deary
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No i thought it was already know there are two types of it in the wild?
Think most expected this
But if the virus has mutated into another strain that the current vaccine(s) wont protect that is a major concern.
Lets just keep our fingers crossed & hope that the new variant is less severe.
If not Im all for quarantine in the SE to stop it heading north?
Think most expected this
But if the virus has mutated into another strain that the current vaccine(s) wont protect that is a major concern.
Lets just keep our fingers crossed & hope that the new variant is less severe.
If not Im all for quarantine in the SE to stop it heading north?
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basilrobbie
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There seems to be a noticeable lack of outrage about London being singled out for special treatment in this instance. I wonder why?
Wizaard
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Typical. London have to be 'special' and have their own variant.
Wizaard
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Even the London centric MPs knew they had to put London into tier 3 when their rates are significantly higher than here where weve been in one form of highest level or another for 6 months.
Insider
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Why do you think London are being singled out? I thought they had just been invited to join the same club that the poor folk up North have been in for about 7 out of the last 9 months.
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basilrobbie
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Where we lead, others follow....
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Maybe it’s because they should have gone in it weeks ago.
Lost Seasider
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I was under the impression that there were 3 strains previously identified, this seems to be a new 4th one.
It's part of the reason that some countries (Asia) got off so lightly in the first wave whilst others were hammered, they mostly got the type 1 virus, we got the type 3 which is far more infectious.
A type 4 (or whatever it's correctly known as) that's even more infectious is, erm, worrying.
Lost Seasider
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Based on what exactly? Case numbers?
What's your take on case numbers in the over 60s, positivity rate, pressure on the NHS plus the rates of change of all of these 3 weeks ago?
Insider
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Matt Hancock said there was no reason to think it won't work. I think the way this vaccine works would suggest that should actually be true. It's not like an antibiotic.
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deary
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Thx not kept up to date re variants thought there were 2 strains & this was a 3rd?
As you say it is a worry if its infectious & spreads.
tangerine_neil
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Thought we were up to at least 3-6 variations (mutations) in April.
Assume this is another one.
Good example of why the vaccination programme should be ramped up worldwide
Assume this is another one.
Good example of why the vaccination programme should be ramped up worldwide
Jaffa_The_Hut
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London had a higher infection rate than many areas of the country that were placed in tier 3.
That’s what I’am basing my statement on plain and simple.
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune
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We could also base it on the reports of the Cabinet meeting which downgraded London from Tier 3 to 2 as they debated the detrimental effect it would have on 500,000 jobs. That suggests where it should have been all long. Meanwhile the rest of the country didn’t get the same debate.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Of course we could.
Indefatigable
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The tube is packed and streets mobbed.
OK, of course nowhere is as busy like it usually is, but let’s not make out the people of London and it’s visitors have obeyed the rules as some would make out, and the place is deserted.
OK, of course nowhere is as busy like it usually is, but let’s not make out the people of London and it’s visitors have obeyed the rules as some would make out, and the place is deserted.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Is it the Mink one?
fcblackpool
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No, a shade of yellow.
Loco
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Apparently not.
Lost Seasider
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Unless you are focussing on very small areas, that is not true.
Well the government has publically said that case rate is one of 5 factors they base the tiering decision on, so you're wrong about the methodology as well.
todayistheday
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I dont think we can be certain this vaccine works 100%, as for Matt Hancock he can keep guessing.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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I base my comments on facts like when they put Lancashire in to tier 3 London at that time had a higher infection rate per 100,000 than Lancashire did yet it got put into tier 2.
Spin it how you want to suit your agenda.
Lost Seasider
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Did you not know that they use more than one metric, or do you think that they're wrong to do so?
Bisphamtang
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Lost with due respect where has this 4 strains of the virus come from and is there anything to say any of these 4 strains are resistant to the vaccines??
Lost Seasider
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Here's a link for the 3 strains: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...nalysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins, although that's from April, the 4th included the one announced today although it now appears that there are at least 6, now 7 strains out there: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200803105246.htm
The second link above says that it doesn't appear to have an impact on vaccines, a point that was also covered in today's briefing.
A useful link for understanding the global outbreak: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5, the key point being that prior to March the main strain was D614, but then the more infectious G614 version emerged, probably in Italy at some point in February, and began to displace the earlier strain.
Lala
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Jaffa_The_Hut
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I’am not quite sure where we’re going with all this to be honest.
I’ve never mentioned strains of the virus or indeed the use of metrics Ive simply said that after the lockdown was lifted 3 weeks ago London had a higher infection rate than other areas including Lancashire who were placed in to tier 3.
If you don’t agree with me then fair enough I don’t have an issue with that but I base my information on charts that were posted on here and on social media which I’am happy to repost if it helps.
Now if your saying the information that was posted is incorrect then your beef is with the NHS/local authorities not me.
fcblackpool
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So here it is....
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