Was there good reason for him not saying goodbye?

Alf

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Seems to me it all comes down to this question.

- (1) If he had said goodbye at the time, we would have been disappointed but many more of us would have been OK with him leaving.

- (2) If he didn’t make a statement simply because he didn’t care that much, I think we’d all agree that’s a big kick in the balls for us and makes his appointment now very questionable.

- (3) If he didn’t make a statement because he was told not to by some circles, or contractually prevented from doing so, and that much could be proven as fact, I think we’d all agree it’s not his fault and furthermore welcome his return.

Now, obviously (1) has flown the coop. Need to be big boys and accept that nobody can turn back time.

So comes the question, how likely is (2) as a possibility? Well it seems unintuitive. Occam’s Razor would probably point towards this being very unlikely. We had no reason to believe he didn’t care at all, on the contrary he did seem to throw his passion and heart into the job from start to finish. Even assuming that was all fake and an exercise in self aggrandizement, it would still make far more sense for him to make a short and sweet statement to preserve his legacy and save face. In fact, thinking of it, it would seem to me -more- likely that he would make a statement if it had all been fake passion. Why would he not continue to massage his own ego by trying to leave as a savior rather than a Judas?

So, could it have been (3)? I remember at the time a few people claiming to be ITK said that Sadler/BFC asked him not to make a statement. That would probably, on balance, seem most likely to me - otherwise why would Sadler be so keen to have him back and why would Sadler have said such nice things when he left? Unless it was him that knew exactly why Critch had left with radio silence, and him trying to smooth that decision over a little by contributing his own thank you statement? Or did Villa ask him not to make a statement? That one I can’t think of any reason why it would be the case.

I genuinely don’t know the answer any which way. But I do know that if it were a fact that he couldn’t say thank you to us when he left but really really wanted to and was heartbroken about the hand he had been forced into… it would make a huge difference to how I feel about him now. He said in todays interview there were reasons why he couldn’t.

Do you think that’s the truth? Do you think it’s possible/likely? And if so would it make a difference to how you feel about him?

Because if we can unite behind him somehow (I get that it shouldn’t be a given, I understand why so many people have reservations) I think we go up automatically this season. And I think he stays for the full four years at least. And I think we become a stable Championship club.

And that would be lovely, wouldn’t it?
 
Seems to me it all comes down to this question.

- (1) If he had said goodbye at the time, we would have been disappointed but many more of us would have been OK with him leaving.

- (2) If he didn’t make a statement simply because he didn’t care that much, I think we’d all agree that’s a big kick in the balls for us and makes his appointment now very questionable.

- (3) If he didn’t make a statement because he was told not to by some circles, or contractually prevented from doing so, and that much could be proven as fact, I think we’d all agree it’s not his fault and furthermore welcome his return.

Now, obviously (1) has flown the coop. Need to be big boys and accept that nobody can turn back time.

So comes the question, how likely is (2) as a possibility? Well it seems unintuitive. Occam’s Razor would probably point towards this being very unlikely. We had no reason to believe he didn’t care at all, on the contrary he did seem to throw his passion and heart into the job from start to finish. Even assuming that was all fake and an exercise in self aggrandizement, it would still make far more sense for him to make a short and sweet statement to preserve his legacy and save face. In fact, thinking of it, it would seem to me -more- likely that he would make a statement if it had all been fake passion. Why would he not continue to massage his own ego by trying to leave as a savior rather than a Judas?

So, could it have been (3)? I remember at the time a few people claiming to be ITK said that Sadler/BFC asked him not to make a statement. That would probably, on balance, seem most likely to me - otherwise why would Sadler be so keen to have him back and why would Sadler have said such nice things when he left? Unless it was him that knew exactly why Critch had left with radio silence, and him trying to smooth that decision over a little by contributing his own thank you statement? Or did Villa ask him not to make a statement? That one I can’t think of any reason why it would be the case.

I genuinely don’t know the answer any which way. But I do know that if it were a fact that he couldn’t say thank you to us when he left but really really wanted to and was heartbroken about the hand he had been forced into… it would make a huge difference to how I feel about him now. He said in todays interview there were reasons why he couldn’t.

Do you think that’s the truth? Do you think it’s possible/likely? And if so would it make a difference to how you feel about him?

Because if we can unite behind him somehow (I get that it shouldn’t be a given, I understand why so many people have reservations) I think we go up automatically this season. And I think he stays for the full four years at least. And I think we become a stable Championship club.

And that would be lovely, wouldn’t it?
Yep it makes no sense why he wouldn't make a quick statement. I don't think he's very active on social media though is he?

He does say in the interview that he couldn't, but doesn't elaborate. I think there was some reason and as time passed it became harder and harder.

Doubt it had anything to do with Villa.

"Steven Gerrard has posted a classy farewell message to Rangers fans on Instagram, saying he ‘fell in love with the club’ during his time at Ibrox."

NC leaving took everyone by surprise.
Mansford was livid.
Surely BM wasn't that mad that he stopped him saying anything did he?

As I did hear the BM was mad at the time rumour and he hated him after that, or something along those lines.
 
I told you at the time and have said it ever since. Villa were furious about Gerrard's statement and made sure it didn't happen with subsequent appointments.
Where is this from as you said you heard from a club source or something?

But it makes sense, as the op shows, that logically he would just have said something, as it wasn't fitting with his time here.

Also him saying he couldn't, clearly something went on.
 
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Where is this from as you said you heard from a club source or something?

But it makes sense, as the op shows, that logically he would just have said something, as it wasn't fitting with his time here.

Also him saying he couldn't, clearly something went on.
I can't say, but I assure you it's from deep in the club.
 
I honestly don't get why he didn't say anything. On the first hand, surely there were no true stipulations in place for him to keep his mouth shut. On the other hand, was he actually just that careless or ashamed? It doesn't make sense.
 
This thread reminds me of some the lame excuses the bumspiders used defending the Oystons.🤣

At the end of the day, they are all in it for themselves with no loyalty.
And its nearly always about the wonga.

It didnt offend me as much as it has others, whether he said goodbye or not.
These farewell statements are usually agent written bullshit anyway.

I'm more bothered he says goodbye to the tedious sideways, and backwards passing style of play to be honest.
 
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This thread reminds me of the indefensible excuses the bumspiders used defending the Oystons.

Doesn't bother me one bit whether he waves or kisses goodbye to be honest.

At the end of the day, they are all in it for themselves. They have no loyalty these days.

I'm more bothered he says goodbye to the sideways backwards passing style of play to be honest..
It's nothing like that at all, daft comparison.

But as usual fans don't know the full details.

He says himself he couldn't which is an odd thing to claim in an interview if it wasn't true.

Doesn't bother me, I don't let things like this get to me, but clearly bothers some.

I'm sure under muckers top brass scrutiny it'll all be revealed in more detail.
 
The new Club isn’t going to want incoming players, managers, coaches fawning over their ex-club and fans etc… They want 100% of the focus to be on them.

Why folk have to make such a song and dance about it all, god only knows….
 
The new Club isn’t going to want incoming players, managers, coaches fawning over their ex-club and fans etc… They want 100% of the focus to be on them.

Why folk have to make such a song and dance about it all, god only knows….

Because they can ?

If we are doing well next season "Goodbye Gate" won't get a mention.

If we are doing badly, all we'll get is, "I told you we shouldn't have employed somebody who didn't say goodbye.

Again, that will be because they can.

I've only got the reaction on here as a sample but it's as if it's just cool to be anti Critch and as he was successful here the last time around, the only thing they can hit him with is his method of departure.

We don't always agree on things but I'm with you all the way on this one, I think Critchley is a good appointment and I think the reaction to his departure is OTT - they didn't have to be happy that he didn't say goodbye but I'm struggling to think why that should still be a thing the week after he left. never mind a year after.
 
Do you get jailed for not saying goodbye now?

What's this country coming to?
Yes… You can be thrown into prison for not saying goodbye, these days.

Because they can ?

If we are doing well next season "Goodbye Gate" won't get a mention.

If we are doing badly, all we'll get is, "I told you we shouldn't have employed somebody who didn't say goodbye.

Again, that will be because they can.

I've only got the reaction on here as a sample but it's as if it's just cool to be anti Critch and as he was successful here the last time around, the only thing they can hit him with is his method of departure.

We don't always agree on things but I'm with you all the way on this one, I think Critchley is a good appointment and I think the reaction to his departure is OTT - they didn't have to be happy that he didn't say goodbye but I'm struggling to think why that should still be a thing the week after he left. never mind a year after.
I’m struggling to explain the reaction and some of the reasoning for it, from what is admittedly a very small number of actual gown men.

The only word that comes to mind is… ‘pathetic’

You see what Critchley should have done is ‘shown some loyalty’ … just like the 70-80% of our fanbase who left the ground vs Notts Forest or to say goodbye and show his appreciation for the fans, just like all those fans who failed to stay applaud the player’s lap of honour and show their appreciation for a great first Championship season after the Derby game.

The world is changing though 2020…. Everyone these days seems to have hurt feelings or to draw offence from something or other, so I suppose not saying goodbye fits the bill.
 
Maybe he just couldn’t be arsed!

It’s done…. If we keep on looking back, we’ll never look forward to the things that matter.
The club have got many things wrong last season and in my opinion they’ve got this one right - just get behind the club, team and manager and stop wetting the bed over it!
 
I just cannot see him walking out without wishing the club good luck etc without some valid reason.
He must have known how hurt us fans were that day. It was shock and horror to all BFC supporters.
The media picked up on it and it just wasn’t AVFTT which was in meltdown.
Every thing was thrown into confusion. What next were our thoughts.
Any normal person with empathy would have mentioned something!

I am sure it was No 3.
 
But some people clearly need the closure and if, as it seems, that he was dissuaded from making the statement, it makes a bit of a difference.
LOL "Closure " FFS !!!! its a manager of a football club , they come & go more often than some change their socks people really are a load of snowflakes these days. I'm pretty sure I didn't need Therapy when Alan Brown was sacked in1978
 
LOL "Closure " FFS !!!! its a manager of a football club , they come & go more often than some change their socks people really are a load of snowflakes these days. I'm pretty sure I didn't need Therapy when Alan Brown was sacked in1978
I know, it's not me who needs it, but some clearly let it get to them, so much so that they hated him.
 
LOL "Closure " FFS !!!! its a manager of a football club , they come & go more often than some change their socks people really are a load of snowflakes these days. I'm pretty sure I didn't need Therapy when Alan Brown was sacked in1978
I could've done with therapy at the time, to be fair. I knew Cartmell's grandson, and I completely lost it with him! 😆
 
I don’t know the truth, but I do know that if Critchley disliked it here, he never would have come back. I’m over the whole ‘silent goodbye’ thing and I’m backing him.

I cannot be arsed with another Appleton type scenario.
 
The fact that so many 'fans' appear upset that he did not say goodbye (so what!), proves just how popular he was and hopefully he will be again.
 
The reason has been given many times by a few people on here including me. He was told not to say anything until a certain time. By that point he was a villa employee and it was too late anyway for it to mean anything to us lot. Now you can believe that or not, it's entirely your perogative but ultimately it doesn't matter now. He's back, we need to all be pulling in the same direction and get back to being the Blackpool we were as this last year has been awful and the fan base isn't blameless in this either.
 
The reason has been given many times by a few people on here including me. He was told not to say anything until a certain time. By that point he was a villa employee and it was too late anyway for it to mean anything to us lot. Now you can believe that or not, it's entirely your perogative but ultimately it doesn't matter now. He's back, we need to all be pulling in the same direction and get back to being the Blackpool we were as this last year has been awful and the fan base isn't blameless in this either.
Is it time for another username change, or are you going to hang fire and see how things pan out.? 😉
 
Wise up.

Him saying "he couldnt" is his get out of jail card FFS.
Nail on head! He's hardly gonna say: "It was naked greed what drove me - there's no other way of putting it. You've got me bang to rights." All this talk of how "I can't say this, that and the other..." I'm sorry, it's just gibberish, designed to throw us all off the trail. I get how he's 'trying to keep everyone on side' - but I fear if he holds to this line for much longer, he's going to drive himself into a bit of a nightmarish corner. Which, let's be honest, is the very last thing we we want to see, especially at what is, indisputedly, a key point in our progression towards what we hope will a bright new future for the club.
 
Seems to me it all comes down to this question.

- (1) If he had said goodbye at the time, we would have been disappointed but many more of us would have been OK with him leaving.

- (2) If he didn’t make a statement simply because he didn’t care that much, I think we’d all agree that’s a big kick in the balls for us and makes his appointment now very questionable.

- (3) If he didn’t make a statement because he was told not to by some circles, or contractually prevented from doing so, and that much could be proven as fact, I think we’d all agree it’s not his fault and furthermore welcome his return.

Now, obviously (1) has flown the coop. Need to be big boys and accept that nobody can turn back time.

So comes the question, how likely is (2) as a possibility? Well it seems unintuitive. Occam’s Razor would probably point towards this being very unlikely. We had no reason to believe he didn’t care at all, on the contrary he did seem to throw his passion and heart into the job from start to finish. Even assuming that was all fake and an exercise in self aggrandizement, it would still make far more sense for him to make a short and sweet statement to preserve his legacy and save face. In fact, thinking of it, it would seem to me -more- likely that he would make a statement if it had all been fake passion. Why would he not continue to massage his own ego by trying to leave as a savior rather than a Judas?

So, could it have been (3)? I remember at the time a few people claiming to be ITK said that Sadler/BFC asked him not to make a statement. That would probably, on balance, seem most likely to me - otherwise why would Sadler be so keen to have him back and why would Sadler have said such nice things when he left? Unless it was him that knew exactly why Critch had left with radio silence, and him trying to smooth that decision over a little by contributing his own thank you statement? Or did Villa ask him not to make a statement? That one I can’t think of any reason why it would be the case.

I genuinely don’t know the answer any which way. But I do know that if it were a fact that he couldn’t say thank you to us when he left but really really wanted to and was heartbroken about the hand he had been forced into… it would make a huge difference to how I feel about him now. He said in todays interview there were reasons why he couldn’t.

Do you think that’s the truth? Do you think it’s possible/likely? And if so would it make a difference to how you feel about him?

Because if we can unite behind him somehow (I get that it shouldn’t be a given, I understand why so many people have reservations) I think we go up automatically this season. And I think he stays for the full four years at least. And I think we become a stable Championship club.

And that would be lovely, wouldn’t it?
Apologist alert!
 
I don’t know the truth, but I do know that if Critchley disliked it here, he never would have come back. I’m over the whole ‘silent goodbye’ thing and I’m backing him.

I cannot be arsed with another Appleton type scenario.
After 2 absolutely disastrous jobs where he was sacked after a dozen games and being on the dole, nobody wanting to touch him and then out of the blue he's offered a 4 YEAR DEAL by an owner who has a record of offering long deals to duffer ex managers I think he'd be able to pretend he loved it here especially when he pretended he loved it here 1st time round pumping his fists and patting the club badge and still pissed off without a goodbye or kiss my arse. 🤷
 
Maybe I did. 🤷
Then maybe you misread - I'm saying he's either a total shyster or a silly billy. The latter is forgivable, but we need reasons to believe it. The former is unforgivable, but I am yet to see any proof that it's the case. It seems to have become fact simply because it was a convenient narrative for our bruised egos a year ago.
 
After 2 absolutely disastrous jobs where he was sacked after a dozen games and being on the dole, nobody wanting to touch him and then out of the blue he's offered a 4 YEAR DEAL by an owner who has a record of offering long deals to duffer ex managers I think he'd be able to pretend he loved it here especially when he pretended he loved it here 1st time round pumping his fists and patting the club badge and still pissed off without a goodbye or kiss my arse. 🤷
He was on the dole after having been with two championship clubs and a premier league club?

That must have been some spending spree.

Even if he pats the badge or fist pumps this time, it won’t bother me in the slightest as long as he gets us competing and playing decent football again.
 
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