Weigman : Potential pro male team Manager?

Wizaard said:
No one wants to be the first.
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Whys that then, would they be punished or something? That doesn't make sense.
We are basically talking about Emma Hayes and Sarina Wiegman aren't we because there isn't a huge pool of women coaching talent about here. Two of the biggest clubs in the WSL Arsenal and Man City haven't had a women as manager in the last ten years and 7 out of the 12 managers in the WSL are males so that's not showing a great example. Where are the ex women players coming into the game coaching? I only know of Kelly Smith who's coaching at Arsenal. A lot , and I'm not criticising this because males do it too and it's lucrative, just fall into the pundit world. There doesn't seem to be a queue of ex women players hungry and desperate to get into coaching. I don't see it unless I'm missing something.
I'd love to see Wiegman or Hayes operating in the men's game. Where they see themselves I don't know. Emma Hayes is worth a lot more than Wimbledon but surely she can't expect to transfer to similar in the men's game and operate in the premiership . Would either of them take a championship job for instance and is that such an insult? Look at the hard yards Graham Potter had to do for years just to get sacked by Chelsea.
 
PNENIL said:
Whys that then, would they be punished or something? That doesn't make sense.
We are basically talking about Emma Hayes and Sarina Wiegman aren't we because there isn't a huge pool of women coaching talent about here. Two of the biggest clubs in the WSL Arsenal and Man City haven't had a women as manager in the last ten years and 7 out of the 12 managers in the WSL are males so that's not showing a great example. Where are the ex women players coming into the game coaching? I only know of Kelly Smith who's coaching at Arsenal. A lot , and I'm not criticising this because males do it too and it's lucrative, just fall into the pundit world. There doesn't seem to be a queue of ex women players hungry and desperate to get into coaching. I don't see it unless I'm missing something.
I'd love to see Wiegman or Hayes operating in the men's game. Where they see themselves I don't know. Emma Hayes is worth a lot more than Wimbledon but surely she can't expect to transfer to similar in the men's game and operate in the premiership . Would either of them take a championship job for instance and is that such an insult? Look at the hard yards Graham Potter had to do for years just to get sacked by Chelsea. As successful as they both are I don't believe they've been tested anything like that .
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100%, lads with hundreds of games behind them can’t get one of the 92 jobs. Why would a club pick a female coach, no need.
 
Plenty of crap male managers out there, she can't possibly be worse than some.

Question would be whether she'll get the chance to prove herself.

Probably.
 
Lala said:
If they deserve a chance surely they will get one. No need for them to be threatened by a woman if she‘s not up to the job is there now.
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Totally agree. Do it on merit. When I still worked we always had mixed management teams, which I thought always worked better. And he CX us now a woman and doing well. I encouraged her to apply ;)
 
Voice of Reason said:
Plenty of crap male managers out there, she can't possibly be worse than some.

Question would be whether she'll get the chance to prove herself.

Probably.
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Plenty of crap male managers who keep getting plenty of chances, so arguably it's worth taking a punt on Serena, but that chance won't come, reinforcing the perception that football is a bastion of reactionary behaviour.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
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Back on football, managing a top male team is nothing like managing a womens team.

It's an easy throw away to say that women won't be employed in the mens game because it's run by middle aged white men but the mens game is run by people of both sexes - predominately male but not exclusively - who have been very successful in business themselves and are trying to be as successful as they can be in football.

Why would they not employ a women to run the playing side of things if they genuinely believed that it was in their best interests to do so ?

Rightly or wrongly, I will suggest that there will not be a women in charge of a Premier League side before 2030.
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Unless you have experience of both you wouldn't know.
 
It probably will happen one day, just like when new RAF pilots are required. It only takes one club to exclude white males from applying, but I hope it's not for a very, VERY long time.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
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Memphisboy said:
A lot of modern men posting on this thread. 😀The only thing I’ll say on the subject is that when on a flight and please be honest. When the captain speaks before setting off that hi my names Fiona and I’ll be your pilot today alongside my colleague Jennifer just go with your initial reaction and we’ll leave it there!!!
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…might be your reaction but the reality is you don’t get to be a Captain or first officer of an airline without being capable…..to Step up from first officer to Captain you must have flown a minimum of 1000 hours and in some cases 1500 as a co pilot and this usually equates to between 3 and 5 years in terms of achieving these levels and even then it is not automatic promotion.
You are as a first officer and Captain required to regularly attend flight simulation scenario and it usually tales 6 months re training if you are switching aircraft type.
My brother in law recently retired as a Captain on Singapore Airlines finishing his career on the A380 and he has many times explained all of this to us.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
You would struggle to hear a single word of praise on AVFTT for any of the three female Prime Ministers in the history of British politics.
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Yeah your right....That Liz Truss did a brilliant job in such a short space of time. Exceptional. Every time I pay my mortgage I give thanks to her.
 
PNENIL said:
Yeah your right....That Liz Truss did a brilliant job in such a short space of time. Exceptional. Every time I pay my mortgage I give thanks to her.
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You've perfectly demonstrated the point I made PNE.

I said that folk on here are quick to knock all the female PMs.

There are some but not too many with any praise for Thatcher, May and Truss and I can't think of any others ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
You've perfectly demonstrated the point I made PNE.

I said that folk on here are quick to knock all the female PMs.

There are some but not too many with any praise for Thatcher, May and Truss and I can't think of any others ?
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I think you will find there are a lot of posters, more than you allude to, who either liked Maggie or reluctantly admired her. I agree with you about the other two.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
MAC

I know that Blackpool Tower is far more dangerous than jumping of the roof of my house despite never having done so.


Womens football is nothing like the top end of the male game and managing at the top end of the male game is nothing like managing in the womens game.


To suggest that I would have to experience both to know is as patronsing as the chap who you critcised - and I thought you were right to do so - for calling all fans thick and useless or whatever he said.


Weigman won't be getting a job at the top of the male game any time soon regardless of what either of us think anout things.
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Actually you don’t know that jumping off Blackpool Tower would be more dangerous, you have a strong a posteriori case if you tried to inductively argue from evidence, but it’s not a logical necessity. Just saying innit.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
I think you will find there are a lot of posters, more than you allude to, who either liked Maggie or reluctantly admired her. I agree with you about the other two.
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100% Bendit.

No doubt that some posters liked Thatcher and some might have her down as our greatest leader.

I'd imagine that - on AVFTT - there are more who despise her than hold any reluctant admiration.
 
Alf said:
Actually you don’t know that jumping off Blackpool Tower would be more dangerous, you have a strong a posteriori case if you tried to inductively argue from evidence, but it’s not a logical necessity. Just saying innit.
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Whatever Alfie.

I don't need to have managed in womens football or at the top of the mens game to know that there is a huge difference.

Apologies for my Blackpool Tower analogy.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Whatever Alfie.

I don't need to have managed in womens football or at the top of the mens game to know that there is a huge difference.

Apologies for my Blackpool Tower analogy.
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I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think it’s definitely debatable and uncertain whether there would be a huge difference(which is why the analogy doesn’t work) and probably dependent on a lot more things than just the quality of football. I imagine for some managers the difference would feel greater than with others, depending on what their leadership style and involvement level is. If one of their greater strengths is recruitment and building a good leadership team, there might not be a big difference. If they depend on being tactically up to date, and having a vast knowledge of the league they are in, the difference might be a lot bigger.

Welcome to your opinion but I think it’s fair to say we won’t know until it happens, and more than once.
 
Ridiculous. They need to be kept separate and respected at both levels. The moment people push for integration and equal pay, the more people will resent the women’s game.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
You've perfectly demonstrated the point I made PNE.

I said that folk on here are quick to knock all the female PMs.

There are some but not too many with any praise for Thatcher, May and Truss and I can't think of any others ?
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It's PNENIL thanks not PNE .
It's nothing to do with Liz Truss being a woman It's the fact that she'll go down as probably the worst PM of all time who crashed the economy and cost a lot of people a lot of money when we were already in a cost of living crisis. No one is ever going to praise her are they? Thatcher divides opinion anyway and Theresa May was not round long enough to even provoke an opinion from most people. So I don't know what point your trying to make. Most people look at things through political affiliation anyway. Just like you with the Gordon Brown boss eye comment.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Ridiculous. They need to be kept separate and respected at both levels. The moment people push for integration and equal pay, the more people will resent the women’s game.
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I don’t think anyone is pushing for integration. It’s more a case of who is right for the job.
If that leads to integration by default then fair enough.
And integration suggests at player level too, which it will obviously never be.
 
Macseasider said:
I didn't. You did.

I just gave an example of a woman that had climbed to the very top despite living in a world where it would previously have been thought impossible.
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MAC

Look back on the thread MAC - apart from the posts of mine that have been deleted because they have received a number of complaints, lol - nobody had mentioned politics until you said something along the lines of god forbid, we might have a female PM one day.

No big deal MAC, I know what you said was sarcastic but I was just pointing out that it was you who introduced politics - as you had every right to do and I won't be making any official complaint, especially when the moderator has his hands full dealing with all the complaints about my posts.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
MAC

Look back on the thread MAC - apart from the posts of mine that have been deleted because they have received a number of complaints, lol - nobody had mentioned politics until you said something along the lines of god forbid, we might have a female PM one day.

No big deal MAC, I know what you said was sarcastic but I was just pointing out that it was you who introduced politics - as you had every right to do and I won't be making any official complaint, especially when the moderator has his hands full dealing with all the complaints about my posts.
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No. Mentioning a woman becoming PM was a statement about a woman being successful in a so called "mans world". This was in relation to whether Weigmann could manage a men's team.

There was zero political statement made at all. Any politics was in your own mind. Not mine.

It's like me saying Graeme Souness was on Ready Steady Cook and you telling me that I've introduced football chat to a cooking thread.
 
PNENIL said:
It's PNENIL thanks not PNE .
It's nothing to do with Liz Truss being a woman It's the fact that she'll go down as probably the worst PM of all time who crashed the economy and cost a lot of people a lot of money when we were already in a cost of living crisis. No one is ever going to praise her are they? Thatcher divides opinion anyway and Theresa May was not round long enough to even provoke an opinion from most people. So I don't know what point your trying to make. Most people look at things through political affiliation anyway. Just like you with the Gordon Brown boss eye comment.
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No problem PNENIL, I won't abbreviate your name again.

No problem with any of your views on Liz Truss - or any other politician - and I wasn't accusing you of being sexist.

The only reason I made a post about female PMs was because MAC said sarcastically that we might have a femsle PM one day, I just said most folk wouldn't have much time for any of the three that we've had, I apologise if people do rate/like any or all of them but I genuinely thought that most on here would have little time for any.

It's not important but I have no affiliation with any political party, the only person that I have voted for at a General Election is Andy Higgins, I have no big problem with Mrs T, I think Theresa May is/was a waste of space and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Liz Truss but she never had a chance and was always going to be removed to make way for the installation of Sunak ASAP.

I referred to Gordon Brown's nationality and disability just because I was sarcastically pointing out that the Labour Party have never been overly diverse in their appointment of leaders and again I apologise if anybody has any problem with my opinion on the diversity of Labour leaders and also to the many posters who were offended by my poor choice of words on my original comment.

I am of the opinion that Sunak is the worst PM in the history of British politics and the only person I'd be willig to vote for at the next General Election would be Guy Fawkes.
 
Macseasider said:
No. Mentioning a woman becoming PM was a statement about a woman being successful in a so called "mans world". This was in relation to whether Weigmann could manage a men's team.

There was zero political statement made at all. Any politics was in your own mind. Not mine.

It's like me saying Graeme Souness was on Ready Steady Cook and you telling me that I've introduced football chat to a cooking thread.
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MAC

You chose to refer to female PMs, not a problem but it moved the discussion on.

Apologies for moving further into politics, I know that moved things away from the topic of the thread and I know that I have since talked more and more about politics but I only did so to defend myself against the usual nonsense.

That nonsense has nothing to do with your good self, all the silly posts on here and a number of people have picked out my post on Gordon Brown and the political affiliation stuff from PNENIL.
 
No it was the same when Clive Woodward was being mentioned for managers jobs in football it’s a different sport some folk live a fantasy world
 
Alf said:
I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think it’s definitely debatable and uncertain whether there would be a huge difference(which is why the analogy doesn’t work) and probably dependent on a lot more things than just the quality of football. I imagine for some managers the difference would feel greater than with others, depending on what their leadership style and involvement level is. If one of their greater strengths is recruitment and building a good leadership team, there might not be a big difference. If they depend on being tactically up to date, and having a vast knowledge of the league they are in, the difference might be a lot bigger.

Welcome to your opinion but I think it’s fair to say we won’t know until it happens, and more than once.
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No problems Alf.

Thanks for allowing my opinion but I would add that I am allowed to express an opinion that may prove to be wrong in the future.
 
It's interesting that so many people complained about my post on Gordon Brown on this thread and that the moderator had to delete my post.

Let's consider another former PM and the comments made about him.

Look at the remarks made about Boris Johnson and tell me that the site is moderated in line with forum rules and not the personal opinion of the moderator.

There are hundreds of derogatory posts about Johnson's weight, appearance and mentality - far, far worse - than my post which have not been deleted and are still there for everybody to see.

I have no problem with the posts about Boris Johnson and won't pretend to be offended by any of them but surely the rules of the forum should be applied consistently ?

It's almost as if some posters are allowed to say certain trhings about certain people but other posters are not allowed to say the same about other people and that the moderation considers who is making the post before applying the rules.
 
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Just to be clear, not for a second I am suggesting that my post regarding Gordon Brown should be reinstated and I apologise for my poor choice of words and for any offence caused.

My complaint is about the obvious inconsistency of the moderation.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
No problem PNENIL, I won't abbreviate your name again.

No problem with any of your views on Liz Truss - or any other politician - and I wasn't accusing you of being sexist.

The only reason I made a post about female PMs was because MAC said sarcastically that we might have a femsle PM one day, I just said most folk wouldn't have much time for any of the three that we've had, I apologise if people do rate/like any or all of them but I genuinely thought that most on here would have little time for any.

It's not important but I have no affiliation with any political party, the only person that I have voted for at a General Election is Andy Higgins, I have no big problem with Mrs T, I think Theresa May is/was a waste of space and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Liz Truss but she never had a chance and was always going to be removed to make way for the installation of Sunak ASAP.

I referred to Gordon Brown's nationality and disability just because I was sarcastically pointing out that the Labour Party have never been overly diverse in their appointment of leaders and again I apologise if anybody has any problem with my opinion on the diversity of Labour leaders and also to the many posters who were offended by my poor choice of words on my original comment.

I am of the opinion that Sunak is the worst PM in the history of British politics and the only person I'd be willig to vote for at the next General Election would be Guy Fawkes.
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That's all fair enough 👍
 
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