What did we boycott for?

Adams Kebab said:
Shit idea wasn’t it 😂

To be fair to you, it’s not as shit as the tactics and system we are playing in away games but to even bring the boycott up was a poor doo. Guessing you was pissed up then it’s alright 👍🏼
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Not really i agree with him and point he was making

Sadler gets away with it and he's compliant in this mess
 
straightatthewall said:
No you're right. Most of us are sat round saying 'i don't care that we get bummed by port vale'. There's only you and Kurt who really get it. Start a march round the ground on new year's day mate. I'll get foggy to watch it so it's definitely recorded in the new book 👍
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I won't be going on New Years day I've had my fill of this shite for a bit

Not sure of the need for the cheap dig though, very Robbie esq that
 
SeasideKurt said:
Have I missed something? What did we boycott for? There are far bigger Blackpool fans than me. But I’ve never not been invested in this club every weekend of my life and every game day since 1995. Whether that’s refreshing teletext, an app, travelling to ** Hull from Wiltshire or watching every game during COVID.

I don’t remember boycotting to accepting medicore ** bollocks we are watching now. It’s extremely poor and the whole feel good factor has been lost.
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Yes you have obviously missed a lot, as is usual with you. We boycotted to rid the club of the parasites that were the Oystons. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I actually agree with Kurt

The current owner and custodian has to take some of the blame, we are no better off now than when he bought the club

Still no training ground or new stand and back in league one playing mediocre football In what is a really poor league

The transfer policy is shite and there doesn't seem to be any real plan except for selling our best players and replacing them on the cheap

I didn't just boycott I was also involved in several direct action protests as I wanted my football club clear of the parasites and I wanted us to be the best that it could be

I expected better with a new owner and I make no apologies for having some ** ambition

I've done two away games this week and what I've witnessed is no better than some of the shite we watched under the previous regime

Yes the manager is to blame for the tactics and team selections but the buck stops with the owner
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You just couldn’t stay away.
 
straightatthewall said:
This is the real point. It was a bad move to reappoint Critchley because he was never going to be given time by supporters. Whether you like that situation or not is immaterial. That's how football works and always will. Far easier to understand that and run with it then stubbornly demand everything else changes and fight against the tide as things get negative.
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Tbf he has still been given time. The form has been mixed from the beginning. Just as he's winning people round it's been undone.

Alright there's always been some on social media ready to pounce, but people got behind him or tolerated him. If he'd have achieved or done well it would have won people over more.

The atmospheres have been poor and that's a factor in it maybe, as when you have a real connection it's obviously better like the first time he was here. But the main reason is we were never near the top and also the expectation to win. In the championship people are buzzing if we frustrate a big team but beat a small club in league 1 and it's expected. It's been very flat for the most part.

I think any manager would be under some pressure given where we are. We have one of the better squads and are not near the playoff pack. The goal was to be up there.

But you are right, going back to someone who divides fans rarely works and gets less time.

Whether Dobbie was right or not fans were buzzing despite relegation, which is weird I guess, but there was that connection. Would fans be less forgiving if he or a brand new manager was in the same position? Possibly a bit, but there would still be calls for sackings given the season is slipping away.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The main issue for me has been a succession of poor managerial appointments

I think our budget is likely up there for L1 but it’s being spectacularly mismanaged at the moment
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Yep its a top 6 budget apparently, so it should be to be fair given we just got relegated

Its not just the manager appointment though its a clear lack of planning from top to bottom
 
SeasideKurt said:
Not really the more I think about it. What did you want out of a football club post boycott? It certainly isn’t last year. Or this year.

Or the lack of communication out of the club.
Or the lack of investment on the pitch.
Or the unimaginative managerial appointments.

I wanted a progressive football club, with a clear vision going forward. It’s currently absolutely lost that. So the message is right, the original OP wording not so much.
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What did I want? All you can want for me is the Club to try & be the best it can. My main thing has always been player recruitment. That’s what it’s all about as it’s all about the players.

We’ve been pretty shite at this now for a few windows you could argue summer was our best one for a while.

This can be open to criticism at all times but has no relevance as to why I or anyone should have boycotted.
 
Adams Kebab said:
What did I want? All you can want for me is the Club to try & be the best it can. My main thing has always been player recruitment. That’s what it’s all about as it’s all about the players.

We’ve been pretty shite at this now for a few windows you could argue summer was our best one for a while.

This can be open to criticism at all times but has no relevance as to why I or anyone should have boycotted.
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The way i read Kurts post (even if he doesn't need me to stick up for him) was more the fact that we really don't look much different under Sadler

Still ** up recruitment, very little comms from the club just a telling off every now and again and an average squad that sells its best players every season

Its pretty shite to be honest and there is very little feel good factor about the place and however you dress that up its on Sadler as much as its on the manager
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Not really i agree with him and point he was making

Sadler gets away with it and he's compliant in this mess
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Course he is? Who’s saying he isn’t? He’s quite clearly clueless about football so has invested large salaries in people who’ve flopped on their arse but you can’t dismiss what he’s put in or what he’s done. It’s daft to, just as daft to bring up boycotting 2 games after nobody says fuck all when we beat a team at home 3-1 to have the best home record in the league.

Granted that record is worthless if we’re 8th in the league but people are making out we’re in the relegation zone or something.

This doesn’t mean you’re accepting mediocrity it just means you aren’t acting like a 12 year old playing FIFA wanting to turn it off cos they are losing.

Just to hammer this home, a top 6 finish should be a minimum this season, no guarantee of promotion is there, so currently we are falling short.

That’s down to a number of reasons and the coach the main one but we’ve also got some players who need to remember they are grown men and have something about them.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Course he is? Who’s saying he isn’t? He’s quite clearly clueless about football so has invested large salaries in people who’ve flopped on their arse but you can’t dismiss what he’s put in or what he’s done. It’s daft to, just as daft to bring up boycotting 2 games after nobody says fuck all when we beat a team at home 3-1 to have the best home record in the league.

Granted that record is worthless if we’re 8th in the league but people are making out we’re in the relegation zone or something.

This doesn’t mean you’re accepting mediocrity it just means you aren’t acting like a 12 year old playing FIFA wanting to turn it off cos they are losing.

Just to hammer this home, a top 6 finish should be a minimum this season, no guarantee of promotion is there, so currently we are falling short.

That’s down to a number of reasons and the coach the main one but we’ve also got some players who need to remember they are grown men and have something about them.
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We are rudderless mate as soon as things get tough we fold like a pack of cards, not much leadership in the squad or in the board room

Bolton away was a perfect example, we were coming off some decent results and he went to one up front

I've done 5 away games this season and i haven't seen a single goal, people have every right to be pissed off
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
We are rudderless mate as soon as things get tough we fold like a pack of cards, not much leadership in the squad or in the board room

Bolton away was a perfect example, we were coming off some decent results and he went to one up front

I've done 5 away games this season and i haven't seen a single goal, people have every right to be pissed off
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Yep I agree everyone has a right to be pissed off that’s normal. I’ve been saying for weeks how soft we are on the pitch. It’s embarrassing. That’s from the coach. Saw enough of him with Jimmy Floyd that time over a frozen pitch.

What I don’t think is right is bringing up a time where posting it on here would probably get you banned from the ground or sued and we didn’t renew player contracts & got Faris Haroun on trial after a shit loan.

The away form is on the manager and the players. There’s enough in that squad to be sorting it.

Bolton away sums up Critchley.

We’d been shite at Fleetwood with his flat midfield 3, but looked really good with Dembele and a 2 behind him with 2 upfront. It also made Carey look better with lots of options ahead of him.

So what did he do? He went 1 upfront in Rhodes who can’t play alone, with Dembele behind and his flat midfield 3 behind that. When it was 0-0 he made a change by bringing on Dale to replace him in a position he doesn’t play.

He’s far too safe for this league.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Yep I agree everyone has a right to be pissed off that’s normal. I’ve been saying for weeks how soft we are on the pitch. It’s embarrassing. That’s from the coach. Saw enough of him with Jimmy Floyd that time over a frozen pitch.

What I don’t think is right is bringing up a time where posting it on here would probably get you banned from the ground or sued and we didn’t renew player contracts & got Faris Haroun on trial after a shit loan.

The away form is on the manager and the players. There’s enough in that squad to be sorting it.

Bolton away sums up Critchley.

We’d been shite at Fleetwood with his flat midfield 3, but looked really good with Dembele and a 2 behind him with 2 upfront. It also made Carey look better with lots of options ahead of him.

So what did he do? He went 1 upfront in Rhodes who can’t play alone, with Dembele behind and his flat midfield 3 behind that. When it was 0-0 he made a change by bringing on Dale to replace him in a position he doesn’t play.

He’s far too safe for this league.
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He is, then last night was like a lob sided hybrid of a back 3 or 4 in the first half, with no ** balance

I have no idea why Thompson got hooked but CJ didn't then Dale came on on the left

Its all fucked and we still haven't seen Dembele or Joseph play in their favoured roles in a front 3

Do they actually have recruitment meetings or is it just about getting blokes in who fit the wage structure

I actually think Joseph could come good but he certainly isn't a direct replacement for Yates

Anyway it's probably time for another BST or Sadler telling off telling us to back the lads and the manager
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
He is, then last night was like a lob sided hybrid of a back 3 or 4 in the first half, with no ** balance

I have no idea why Thompson got hooked but CJ didn't then Dale came on on the left

Its all fucked and we still haven't seen Dembele or Joseph play in their favoured roles in a front 3

Do they actually have recruitment meetings or is it just about getting blokes in who fit the wage structure

I actually think Joseph could come good but he certainly isn't a direct replacement for Yates

Anyway it's probably time for another BST or Sadler telling off telling us to back the lads and the manager
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Am I right in thinking Joseph is best in a front 3 as the central striker?

I’m not having Dom Thompson me at all. Another wank signing. That summer recruitment after NC did one was abysmal.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Am I right in thinking Joseph is best in a front 3 as the central striker?

I’m not having Dom Thompson me at all. Another wank signing. That summer recruitment after NC did one was abysmal.
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Yeah that's how he played when he broke through at Wigan although Oxford used him in a front 3 as an inside forward, either way he's not a deep lying target man like he was used last night

At least Thompson put some tackles in and did well in the 2nd half going forward before he got hooked, at least he gives us some balance
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Every time Sadler gets called out we get reminded about how much money he's spent

Its fcuking tiresome
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Isn't it the difference between poor decision making and neglect? Like, he's paid (assuming Winter is on similar money as Big Ben) roughly 1.2 million to CEOs alone in the last 4 years (that's 1 DJ Campbell's worth of CEO), plus numerous unknown amounts to various transfer gurus and structural positions related to youth development, marketing media and so on.

That money is spent. He's not going to spend it for the lols or deliberately spend it badly to fuck shit up. you could spend a lot less to make us crap. The judgement is then whether it's actually well spent or not and given as we're currently in roughly the same position we were when Terry McP left and we've still not yet introduced a single young player into the squad.

This is the problem for me - we're spending a lot (relative to our previous regime) in being (according to the rhetoric) a 'well run club with long term principles' yet we're not actually any better holistically than when it was run on a shoestring and very much 'day to day - grab some frees and shove it all together''. It definitely takes time for those sort of appointments and structural stuff to come to fruition - but as you say, the sense is the direction overall is confusing. I don't think Sadler is particularly neglecting the club financially, I'm just very confused by the seemingly endless churn of backroom positions, the complete disconnect between the development set up and first team and the general flatness of everything over the last 24 months - really, since the Jan transfer window in 22.

The lack of serious conversation and communication is again a problem as basically, we get Critchley describing the game 'good areas, lack of quality' after a game and then before the next game going 'tough game, big respect for Carr Hill u8s third team, they're going to be up for this' and that's it.

Are we in a period of transition where we're looking to offload and renew? Are we going for it? Are we long term wedded to a style at all levels or is this Critch's day to day decsion? I don't know. no one has said. Therefore we just guess and speculate and the noise online grows.
 
td53 said:
Isn't it the difference between poor decision making and neglect? Like, he's paid (assuming Winter is on similar money as Big Ben) roughly 1.2 million to CEOs alone in the last 4 years (that's 1 DJ Campbell's worth of CEO), plus numerous unknown amounts to various transfer gurus and structural positions related to youth development, marketing media and so on.

That money is spent. He's not going to spend it for the lols or deliberately spend it badly. The judgement is then whether it's well spent or not and given as we're currently in roughly the same position we were when Terry McP left and we've still not yet introduced a single young player into the squad.

This is the problem for me - we're spending a lot (relative to our previous regime) in being (according to the rhetoric) a 'well run club with long term principles' yet we're not actually any better holistically than when it was run on a shoestring and very much 'day to day - grab some frees and shove it all together''. It definitely takes time for those sort of appointments and structural stuff to come to fruition - but as you say, the sense is the direction overall is confusing. I don't think Sadler is particularly neglecting the club financially, I'm just very confused by the seemingly endless churn of backroom positions, the complete disconnect between the development set up and first team and the general flatness of everything over the last 24 months - really, since the Jan transfer window in 22.

The lack of serious conversation and communication is again a problem as basically, we get Critchley describing the game 'good areas, lack of quality' after a game and then before the next game going 'tough game, big respect for Carr Hill u8s third team, they're going to be up for this' and that's it.

Are we in a period of transition where we're looking to offload and renew? Are we going for it? Are we long term wedded to a style at all levels or is this Critch's day to day decsion? I don't know. no one has said. Therefore we just guess and speculate and the noise online grows.
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The lack of communication has been problematic over an extended period now
Don’t get it Really don’t
 
If the boycott was about being good, or better than 8th in League 1, there would have been an organised boycott when we were in Division 3, or languishing at the bottom of this division watching Colin Hendry's dross. But there wasn't. If that's what the boycott was about you'd be able to organise one now, but nobody will.

More will stay at home and not bother, because it isn't worth it, that's fair enough - it's expensive and we are miserable to watch right now.That's not a boycott though.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I shouldn’t have mentioned the boycott. But your, and a lot of other Blackpool fans lack of ambition for this football club is utterly unbelievable.
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What is it about any of the above posts that reflect a “lack of ambition”?

I think most accept that our current position isn’t good enough, both on and off the pitch. I said at the end of the summer window that we hadn’t done enough when it came to recruitment and there’s some valid points to be made about training ground and new stand etc, as well as the capability of the current manager.

I think people’s issue with your post is that while things may not be going well atm, they will never be comparable to the Oyston era. You’ve said you maybe shouldn’t have mentioned the boycott so fair enough. I just don’t think anyone is actually “accepting mediocrity” but rather they have different ways of reacting to it and different thoughts on what should be done to improve.
 
straightatthewall said:
This is the real point. It was a bad move to reappoint Critchley because he was never going to be given time by supporters. Whether you like that situation or not is immaterial. That's how football works and always will. Far easier to understand that and run with it then stubbornly demand everything else changes and fight against the tide as things get negative.
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why didn’t the owner learn from the appointment of appleton.Trouble is some on here are scared to say what they think,maybe frightened to get barred out of the moreti bar.
 
Arriedirk said:
why didn’t the owner learn from the appointment of appleton.Trouble is some on here are scared to say what they think,maybe frightened to get barred out of the moreti bar.
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Well I'm surprised they didn't learn because the margin for error for NC (and the club) is almost zero, which would never have happened with pretty much any other appointment.

But once appointed, you'll always have people willing to be patient and give people time. And what's completely undisputable is that we're not a million miles away from where we were around the same time of the season in 2020/21. Plus our home form is very strong. So on that basis it's not hard to argue that we're close to getting it right. Whether you disagree is another matter.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
NAPM never correlated to on-field success
It was solely focused on off-field issues - the misuse of the parachute payments for non-football related activities and later the owners actions towards the fanbase

No one can deny Simon has invested heavily over the last 4.5 years not just in the squad but also in infrastructure and in the appointment of off-field personel. Make no mistake it was a huge task tackling the condition of the club as was when the CAR went in.

Where we have fallen down for me in particular is with our managerial choices which ironically the Oystons ( particularly Karl ) got right more often than not.

The appointment of Grayson and Appleton in particular were spectacularly uninspired and polarised views from the outset.

Critchley should never have come back IMO as that appointment had the same effect. He has zero credit within a significant part of the fanbase and we are seeing the results of that now.

There’s a big call to be made. Stick or twist ! I’d stick ( just ) however I’d insist on a reshuffle of the first team managerial pack. Critchley needs football experience challenging him in the boot room not yes men who’ve never played at a decent level.
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“No one can deny Simon has invested heavily over the last 4.5 years not just in the squad but also in infrastructure and in the appointment of off-field personel. Make no mistake it was a huge task tackling the condition of the club as was when the CAR went in.”

Yet there are so many posters denying exactly that on this board Tim.

Challenge his decision making on manager or leadership team recruitment maybe but it drives me mad the abuse he gets.
 
Arriedirk said:
why didn’t the owner learn from the appointment of appleton.Trouble is some on here are scared to say what they think,maybe frightened to get barred out of the moreti bar.
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Haven't you just suggested a management team of four ex-Blackpool players and assistants on another thread? Is it okay for the club to reappoint from the past as long as you liked them?
 
straightatthewall said:
I did because the owners were clearly using the club as a cash machine and massively taking the piss.
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Me too.

HOWEVER, I would also now be absent, which is arguably worse than boycotting, at a number of away games that I would have previously attended if things don't improve - and that means more performance than results tbh. I am bored of this formation and football and have better things to spend my money on.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Am I demanding success? Or am I not accepting mediocre ** nonsense every week from a team that should be doing better? I think that post is such a poor one which shows a complete lack of ambition for our football club.
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Utter bollocks to label us as having 'a complete lack of ambition' and to refer back to NAPM as somehow now being worthless because the team is stuttering 8th in the league. Get a ** life.

We are under performing away from home, that is so obvious. We never change formation, have that one for free Kurt. The wingers aren't on the correct wing - boom. Shall I go on?

I boycotted because the Oystons had the golden ticket (£), a once in a million opportunity to give back to the club and the town. They did what they always do and valued themselves over us. Fuck them.
 
Shiggy said:
What is it about any of the above posts that reflect a “lack of ambition”?

I think most accept that our current position isn’t good enough, both on and off the pitch. I said at the end of the summer window that we hadn’t done enough when it came to recruitment and there’s some valid points to be made about training ground and new stand etc, as well as the capability of the current manager.

I think people’s issue with your post is that while things may not be going well atm, they will never be comparable to the Oyston era. You’ve said you maybe shouldn’t have mentioned the boycott so fair enough. I just don’t think anyone is actually “accepting mediocrity” but rather they have different ways of reacting to it and different thoughts on what should be done to improve.
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Spot on. It’s almost like if you’re not of the opinion that it’s the worst football of all time and the manager and half the squad need to go, you’re accepting mediocrity and part of the problem.

It is possible to take a balanced view on things.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yep probably the same bunch who hate the Premier League and everything it stands for yet went to every bastard match when we got there

We have a weird bunch
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It seems to me it's the likes of you that thrive on us being shit tbh. You spring in to life every time we lose 2 or 3 games. 😉
 
voyeur said:
It seems to me it's the likes of you that thrive on us being shit tbh. You spring in to life every time we lose 2 or 3 games. 😉
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I haven't been going to that many matches so there hasn't been much point me posting unless I'm actually watching and have something to comment on

Posting on the OT section isn't on option given they just remove everything I post

So I don't understand what you are on about trying to make out I enjoy us losing

You are posting nonsense again
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I haven't been going to that many matches so there hasn't been much point me posting unless I'm actually watching and have something to comment on

Posting on the OT section isn't on option given they just remove everything I post

So I don't understand what you are on about trying to make out I enjoy us losing

You are posting nonsense again
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Well something brought you out of your right wing flounce!
 
foggy said:
If the boycott was about being good, or better than 8th in League 1, there would have been an organised boycott when we were in Division 3, or languishing at the bottom of this division watching Colin Hendry's dross. But there wasn't. If that's what the boycott was about you'd be able to organise one now, but nobody will.

More will stay at home and not bother, because it isn't worth it, that's fair enough - it's expensive and we are miserable to watch right now.That's not a boycott though.
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Foggy

Just playing devil's advocate for a second.

Tim/TAM said that there was no correlation between on field success and boycotting and now you are suggesting the same.

If we are honest about things, we know that is just not true and that there is definitely some form of correlation if not direct.

Yes, nobody boycotted when we were in the bottom tier playing sh1te, etc, etc but nobody boycotted when the club was playing in the Premier League and being totally raped by the Oyston's in broad daylight.

If boycotting was all about the way the club was being managed - mismanaged ? - and nothing to do with on field success then surely everybody would have been boycotting when the club was in the Premier League ?

Everybody just sat back and did nothing while the Oyston's were raping the club because we were busy doing the double over Liverpool and beating Tottenham etc, etc.

I know it's human nature and that everybody would have laughed if a boycott had been suggested while we were in the Prem but would you believe that some supporters actually praised the way in which the club was being run ?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I actually agree with Kurt

The current owner and custodian has to take some of the blame, we are no better off now than when he bought the club

Still no training ground or new stand and back in league one playing mediocre football In what is a really poor league

The transfer policy is shite and there doesn't seem to be any real plan except for selling our best players and replacing them on the cheap

I didn't just boycott I was also involved in several direct action protests as I wanted my football club clear of the parasites and I wanted us to be the best that it could be

I expected better with a new owner and I make no apologies for having some ** ambition

I've done two away games this week and what I've witnessed is no better than some of the shite we watched under the previous regime

Yes the manager is to blame for the tactics and team selections but the buck stops with the owner
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Sorry ,no improvements . Are the players still washing their own kits , has the ground not been repaired in places and re painted , did the previous owners pay £600,000 in improving our training ground until the new one gets built . Did the previous owners pay to have managers {although failures} with reputations of getting teams out of relegation troubles . SS has invested £26 million from buying the club ,to investing in it , including buying a whole block of houses just so he can invest even more.
I also believe that Blackpool has always been a selling club because we are not big enough to keep players that are getting offers from bigger clubs . You may want to keep them ,but they will probably want to go . I also believe we were told when SS took over that we were going to bring in young players ,develope them and then hopefully sell on for a profit.
It's sad that a couple of years in the championship or a year in the prem makes people think we belong there . Yes ,we all want to be there again , but its no automatic right and it should be earned and if it takes a couple of years ,so be it. Blaming the owner for poor performances on the pitch is ridiculous and you need to give your head a shake.
 
paulco said:
Many people have given lifelong backing.

But the club must earn that support.

Fans appreciate Sadler's commitment.

Yet the head coaches he picks suck.

Villa and QPR proved Critchley's weakness.

The failure to fix losing tactics undoes him.

Season ticket boycotts helped axe Oyscum.

The decision to bottle them has bombed.

Boycotts could have won better coaches.

The owner feels no threat from stayaways.

Supporters remain complicit in decline.
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Wanker
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Foggy

Just playing devil's advocate for a second.

Tim/TAM said that there was no correlation between on field success and boycotting and now you are suggesting the same.

If we are honest about things, we know that is just not true and that there is definitely some form of correlation if not direct.

Yes, nobody boycotted when we were in the bottom tier playing sh1te, etc, etc but nobody boycotted when the club was playing in the Premier League and being totally raped by the Oyston's in broad daylight.

If boycotting was all about the way the club was being managed - mismanaged ? - and nothing to do with on field success then surely everybody would have been boycotting when the club was in the Premier League ?

Everybody just sat back and did nothing while the Oyston's were raping the club because we were busy doing the double over Liverpool and beating Tottenham etc, etc.

I know it's human nature and that everybody would have laughed if a boycott had been suggested while we were in the Prem but would you believe that some supporters actually praised the way in which the club was being run ?
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I do not ageee with your synopsis.

I started boycotting (as many many others did) when they sued fans.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Not really the more I think about it. What did you want out of a football club post boycott? It certainly isn’t last year. Or this year.

Or the lack of communication out of the club.
Or the lack of investment on the pitch.
Or the unimaginative managerial appointments.

I wanted a progressive football club, with a clear vision going forward. It’s currently absolutely lost that. So the message is right, the original OP wording not so much.
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Needs an elected fans rep on the board still .. to be honest I was hoping we could emulate the FC St Puali model and personally i have dreams of us back in the premier league and then playing in Europe etc However they are just dreams and aspirations that any fan should have. However i know we can't win every game - that's the nature of football - we have crap periods and good periods - the important thing is we are not in freefall as it's so easy to plummet down the leagues. I'm still hopeful that Critch can turn it around - as i'm an eternal optimist!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Foggy

Just playing devil's advocate for a second.

Tim/TAM said that there was no correlation between on field success and boycotting and now you are suggesting the same.

If we are honest about things, we know that is just not true and that there is definitely some form of correlation if not direct.

Yes, nobody boycotted when we were in the bottom tier playing sh1te, etc, etc but nobody boycotted when the club was playing in the Premier League and being totally raped by the Oyston's in broad daylight.

If boycotting was all about the way the club was being managed - mismanaged ? - and nothing to do with on field success then surely everybody would have been boycotting when the club was in the Premier League ?

Everybody just sat back and did nothing while the Oyston's were raping the club because we were busy doing the double over Liverpool and beating Tottenham etc, etc.

I know it's human nature and that everybody would have laughed if a boycott had been suggested while we were in the Prem but would you believe that some supporters actually praised the way in which the club was being run ?
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Nobody boycotted in the prem as no-one was aware exactly what the Oystons were up to until we got relegated. Whilst in the prem Holloway overachieved with extremely limited resources - in fact no team has ever achieved what we did with one hand tied behind its back. That being said it was clearly a house of cards built mainly on Belokons investment - if only he'd been able to fully buy the Oystons out then things might have been different. But that's football as series of ifs buts and maybes - we are in a totally different place as to where we were under the Oystons. Fans fall out with owners/coaches/players - but the constant is the club.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Foggy

Just playing devil's advocate for a second.

Tim/TAM said that there was no correlation between on field success and boycotting and now you are suggesting the same.

If we are honest about things, we know that is just not true and that there is definitely some form of correlation if not direct.

Yes, nobody boycotted when we were in the bottom tier playing sh1te, etc, etc but nobody boycotted when the club was playing in the Premier League and being totally raped by the Oyston's in broad daylight.

If boycotting was all about the way the club was being managed - mismanaged ? - and nothing to do with on field success then surely everybody would have been boycotting when the club was in the Premier League ?

Everybody just sat back and did nothing while the Oyston's were raping the club because we were busy doing the double over Liverpool and beating Tottenham etc, etc.

I know it's human nature and that everybody would have laughed if a boycott had been suggested while we were in the Prem but would you believe that some supporters actually praised the way in which the club was being run ?
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Of course losses accelerated the boycott and made it easier for fans because organising a large scale boycott is incredibly difficult and separating people from their football club with collective action is unprecedented and never happened before. Nobody wanting to go and watch is get battered every week helps.

But the idea it would have happened without the story breaking about Owen taking 11 million, or the Oystons suing fans, or any number of the things they did, I find quite farcical. Once people realised their money was going to go to the efforts to bankrupt and ruin other supporters it was a line in the sand for many, and this is the main and most important ommission in your devil's advocation.

The question was 'what was the boycott for'. Not what combination of events caused or correlated with it. And honestly I think the answer is very obvious, is it not?
 
seasideone said:
I do not ageee with your synopsis.

I started boycotting (as many many others did) when they sued fans.
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seaside

I have no problem with that and have no reason to disbelieve what you say.

I'm not sure what you say has got too much to do with my suggestion that there is some correlation - albeit not direct - between boycotting and on field performances.

Just before the Peterborough game - March 2012 ? - it was revealed that Owen had helped himself to £11m, I won't say nobody gave a feck because plenty weren't happy about it and some supporters even defended his actions but more to the point there was certainly no mention of any boycott.

Everybody kept going and there was no mention of any boycott until MORE THAN TWO YEARS LATER when on field results had plummeted.

You might very well have decided to boycott when the Oyston's began taking legal action against the supporters but regardless of your chosen action, there is some form of correlation between supporters boycotting and on field results and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

AVFTT CAVEAT - Not for a second am I suggesting that supporters should boycott now, I am merely suggesting that there is some form of correlation between supporters boycotting and on field results at Blackpool Football Club and every other club.
 
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