What did you all expect?

Murciaseasider said:
I'd go a bit further than that. Marv shouldn't be in the team at the moment. I'd like to think that Casey is currently above him in the pecking order. I'm sure every player experiences a "howler" at some point in their careers but with Marv it's now successive matches. So far he has got away with it, but his luck will run out, no doubt about that.
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I was saying that if CJ made the mistakes Marv does constantly, he'd be lucky to get out of the stadium alive.
 
Wizaard said:
The best chances today were their centre forward on the stroke of half time, then the header blocked by their keeper, and lastly, the sitter missed by Virtue. All he needs to do there was dink it, as everyone behind the goal was telling him.
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Stop saying “Sitter” when he was on target and produced an excellent save.
Thats you told off !
Grumpy me on a Sunday morning.
 
JJpool said:
For me it's the fact were meant to be playing better football, as evidenced at Derby with some of the passing.

Critchley himself hasn't been happy with some of the halves we've played, so it's not what he wants. He doesn't want us to be turning over the ball cheaply and on the back foot again.

Yet today at times we abandoned build up play and had to go long, just conceding possession, whilst Exeter carried on playing on the deck.

People were claiming we had the best midfield etc and how we're all so comfortable on the ball, yet we abandoned our principles from a bit of closing down? A real top team at the level sticks at it and takes control of the game, although we did have our moments and some good bits.

1 mistake from Ekpiteta and his confidence to pass goes, plus it was another atrocious mistake under no pressure.

We were solid and they didn't create a whole lot but if we can't deal with a team who press and can pass the ball without throwing our own passing principles away at times, then it's a bit concerning. However it's early days and they aren't a bad side and we have some players to add in, but I expected a bit more control from us.
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Completely agree with this, the 'lump it up to Madine' tactic has now become the 'lump it up to Lavery' who is nearly a foot shorter, tactic. All it did was give them the ball back and invite pressure. We either need a big target man pronto or we need to stick to keeping the ball on the ground.

Exeter don't look like a bad side, but yesterday was just a bit boring.
 
Nah it was a good save. Watching match of the day many one on one are saved.

Sitter is when a player misses an open goal. Some good ones to watch on YouTube.
What about the chance for Exeter on the brink of halftime.
 
Martonmosser said:
Another one happy with a good away point BUT why do we keep giving them those one on one chances with Grimshaw because we’re messing about trying to pass it out from the back? Marv is probably the best defender we have had in the last 10 years but that’s what he should concentrate on, defending
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I think that’s stretching it a bit mate 😂

I don’t think we’ve had many defenders who look more uncomfortable on the ball than Marv. He’s great at heading and tackling, but all the blood seems to drain from his body when he tries to bring the ball out.

Passing it around at the back (from the back) is absolutely crucial, if we want to be successful. It’s how we will sucker sides in and open up space… That means we’ve got to be confident under pressure and move the ball quickly and accurately when necessary.

Personally (as good as Marv can be in other respects) I’m not entirely convinced he’s up to it.
 
Chesterbfc said:
Just back. Nice little ground I had never been too. Pleasant staff . Deceptively windy but not cold. The game was competitive without being exciting. I came away thinking "clean sheet" , 1 point more . Win all our home games at the "fortress" and get a point at every away game and we go up with no fuss.
Sort of boring but then I,m trying to get into our managers thinking.
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Agree with all that. There seems a difference in perception of the performance between those who were there and those who watched on TV. I thought we did well to deal with Exeter. I don't think Grimshaw made a save? When Dale came on he was absolutely excellent and ran the midfield
 
Wizaard said:
I was saying that if CJ made the mistakes Marv does constantly, he'd be lucky to get out of the stadium alive.
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So you missed some of his pathetic attempts at defending yesterday?

Edit: Marvin is a rock otherwise, but all CJ does is some half-hearted challenges and passes it to their defenders when he tries to cross the ball most of the time and that's why Marv gets slack off me.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think that’s stretching it a bit mate 😂

I don’t think we’ve had many defenders who look more uncomfortable on the ball than Marv. He’s great at heading and tackling, but all the blood seems to drain from his body when he tries to bring the ball out.

Passing it around at the back (from the back) is absolutely crucial, if we want to be successful. It’s how we will sucker sides in and open up space… That means we’ve got to be confident under pressure and move the ball quickly and accurately when necessary.

Personally (as good as Marv can be in other respects) I’m not entirely convinced he’s up to it.
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Exactly what I’m saying mate……. yet we persist with trying to do it 🤔
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Decent performance but we need to stop Marvin dwelling on the ball and then panicking. Nearly cost us today.
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I actually started looking away in the first half when he had the ball off Grimmy, I couldn’t take it. Maybe it was being stood so close at pitch level.

Oddly enough when we went longer in the second half we started moving their defence around and creating space, though only because we were winning the second ball after they had comfortably won the header.
 
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Martonmosser said:
Exactly what I’m saying mate……. yet we persist with trying to do it 🤔
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We have to be able to play out as we're no good going long and right now Marv is the weak link, players target him and are happy for him to have it.

It knocks his confidence and the confidence of the team to pass the ball, as attacks are built from the back, meaning we cede control of the game, aren't then able to dominate and create chances as much, which ultimately will limit our results.

It's very concerning just how bad he is with the ball given how we want to play and he's been with us years and seen no improvement.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think we have to persist and either find a way to make it work. Hoofing it long isn’t the answer.
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It's an option I feel we should have but not the first option.

Look at the Dutch when they brought Weghorst on and Argentina fell apart. Look at us against the Clampets when we brought on Madine and they fell apart. City bought haaland to enable them to go long if they had to.

We absolutely shouldn't be setting up to do it or training for it - but it's an option I don't think you can be without in a squad unless you've got absolute top quality throughout.

Essentially, if you've got that option but you can also play football it makes you really difficult to defend against and puts uncertainty into the opposition.

You need a big lad who can play mind.
 
td53 said:
It's an option I feel we should have but not the first option.

Look at the Dutch when they brought Weghorst on and Argentina fell apart. Look at us against the Clampets when we brought on Madine and they fell apart. City bought haaland to enable them to go long if they had to.

We absolutely shouldn't be setting up to do it or training for it - but it's an option I don't think you can be without in a squad unless you've got absolute top quality throughout.

Essentially, if you've got that option but you can also play football it makes you really difficult to defend against and puts uncertainty into the opposition.

You need a big lad who can play mind.
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Cosgrove is 6' 4", apparently
 
Martonmosser said:
We can’t keep giving opposing strikers one on one opportunities though, that’s 2 in 2 league games, we’re going to get caught out soon by a better striker if we do 👎
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Yep, we want to try and avoid giving the ball away in dangerous positions (it's sloppy and it needs sorting) but I'm not entirely convinced that it's as big a deal in League 1 as it might be in the Championship. The quality of forwards in L1 is nowhere near as good and so most of the time they really aren't going to punish you to the same extent.
 
Murciaseasider said:
I'd go a bit further than that. Marv shouldn't be in the team at the moment. I'd like to think that Casey is currently above him in the pecking order. I'm sure every player experiences a "howler" at some point in their careers but with Marv it's now successive matches. So far he has got away with it, but his luck will run out, no doubt about that.
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Remember Curtis Tilt?
 
We can't just say marv should just defend and not pass the ball, you need to be able to build from the back, doesn't mean you need to mess around, but you need to be able to pass and Marv just can't do it right now, maybe confidence or ability, who knows, but it's mistakes leading to great goal scoring chances at the moment. We have no one who excels as a target man either, another reason to keep it on the floor.

A good example is this Ipswich goal from the weekend

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690421346977648640
 
GrahamwantshisOates said:
Nah it was a good save. Watching match of the day many one on one are saved.

Sitter is when a player misses an open goal. Some good ones to watch on YouTube.
What about the chance for Exeter on the brink of halftime.
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Great tackle, keeper didn't have to make a save. Their player really should have got a shot off before being challenged.
 
4 points from two games, that equates to 92 points from 46 games if we maintain this form.

In 4 of the last five full seasons that would have been automatic promotion so I'm not complaining so far
 
Murciaseasider said:
I'd go a bit further than that. Marv shouldn't be in the team at the moment. I'd like to think that Casey is currently above him in the pecking order. I'm sure every player experiences a "howler" at some point in their careers but with Marv it's now successive matches. So far he has got away with it, but his luck will run out, no doubt about that.
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What a stupid opinion, even though he has a mistake in him we would have conceded 2-3 if it wasn’t for him yesterday. He’s our best defender and needs to start every game. Critchley will iron his inconsistency out.
 
Its interesting how we view defenders with a mistake in them. Marvin is a top defender, I can think of two or three outrageously good things he did yesterday and he's capable of playing better.

He made a mistake, it was a terrible error, yes, but if a striker scores a couple of goals and misses and open goal, then people go away chanting his name.

If a keeper or a defender makes one mistake, then that tends to outshine any good work they do before or after it.

Plus, you've also got to imagine that if Marv *could* pass it, he would probably be nowhere near us as he's otherwise got the attributes to be playing far above where we are right now.
 
Wizaard said:
Nothing as bad as Marv. Didn't look like gifting a goal on a plate.

It's a case of looking to criticise one, while the other gets away with it.
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who was it that made the challenge to get Marv out the mire - couldn’t tell from where i was but thought Norburn at the time?
 
Not the greatest game, probably 2 of the better teams of the division cancelling each other out, may turn out to be a decent point at the end of the season, win Tue night and it’s a decent start to the season.
Start with another clean sheet
Utp!!!
 
We had three shots on target to their one. So he had 1.5 shots on target?
Fact is we created the better chances overall.
 
Being a bit disrespectful to Exeter who I thought played nice football, pressed well and were a threat down the wing. Like ourselves, lacking a bit up top, but will cause plenty of teams problems at their gaff.

Decent point, another clean sheet. On to Port Vale on Tuesday
 
DobbiesTangerineArmy said:
What a stupid opinion, even though he has a mistake in him we would have conceded 2-3 if it wasn’t for him yesterday. He’s our best defender and needs to start every game. Critchley will iron his inconsistency out.
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Hopefully the problems will be ironed out but not when he's in the team otherwise he will cost us points - no doubt in my mind. Agree that he's a top defender but as I've said in another post we have other accomplished defenders at the Club, who in my view are above him in the pecking order at the present time
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That’s 66.67% of the shots on target 👍😂
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FFS. Semantics!

Ok, lets do it again.

Blackpool Shots 4
Blackpool Shots on target 1
Virtue Shots 2
Virtue Shots on target 1

If you pick up on the fact I've needlessly capitalised 'Shots' then I'm likely to implode.

😂
 
td53 said:
FFS. Semantics!

Ok, lets do it again.

Blackpool Shots 4
Blackpool Shots on target 1
Virtue Shots 2
Virtue Shots on target 1

If you pick up on the fact I've needlessly capitalised 'Shots' then I'm likely to implode.

😂
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I was more concerned with the failure to capitalise ‘OK’ 😂👍
 
onceov3r said:
We can't just say marv should just defend and not pass the ball, you need to be able to build from the back, doesn't mean you need to mess around, but you need to be able to pass and Marv just can't do it right now, maybe confidence or ability, who knows, but it's mistakes leading to great goal scoring chances at the moment. We have no one who excels as a target man either, another reason to keep it on the floor.

A good example is this Ipswich goal from the weekend

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690421346977648640
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Hey i was there at Portman Road. Ipswich were too good for Stoke, who just couldnt move the ball like Ipswich do. Very small team Ipswich, but very good with the ball and that move is pretty typical.

I'm not sure we should judge Marv on a couple of games at the start of the seadon. Burnley were making similar errors at the start of last season. It can be worked on and improved. Marv's confidence deteriorated last season, and has new players in midfield now. Its his achilles for sure but he had good season under Critch before and we know he can shine at this level.
 
voyeur said:
Hey i was there at Portman Road. Ipswich were too good for Stoke, who just couldnt move the ball like Ipswich do. Very small team Ipswich, but very good with the ball and that move is pretty typical.

I'm not sure we should judge Marv on a couple of games at the start of the seadon. Burnley were making similar errors at the start of last season. It can be worked on and improved. Marv's confidence deteriorated last season, and has new players in midfield now. Its his achilles for sure but he had good season under Critch before and we know he can shine at this level.
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Burnley is a good example tbf. They were really ropy for a while.

Anyway, we don't need to worry about conceding the odd goal cos Critchley is a swashbuckling all out attack manager and we'll score loads. 😂
 
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