Wizaard
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Not much respect for anyone of a different colour, women or homosexuals, as Bifster mentions.
Why do BBC, SKY and ITV apologise for ******* bad language
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Albert Ross
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Is that why murders and knife attacks are running amok. Please don’t mind if I attack and possibly murder you, it’s done with the utmost respect.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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There were twice as many kids carrying knives on the streets in the 1960’s as there are today and the number of violent crimes has halved.
Albert Ross
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I take it you were around in the sixties and know that as fact?
Satriale's Pork Store
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i thought you were referring to her big conk!
Bloodtangerine
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No that’s because of very strong drugs and many many other factors……….but you just want to wank on about “the good old days” so you ain’t open to anything else so just sign off and be bitter about the fact you’re ageing and young people exist (we all die) and blame that on the downfall of society compared to when it was perfect when you were a Young un etc etc
Bloodtangerine
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Do you?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I don’t need to have been around, the information is available.
It’s always the same, people have a very ‘rose tinted’ perspective.
Your value systems were skewed back then…I’m not saying it was all bad, but the idea that you were somehow more respectful is just ridiculous.
Society has advanced leaps and bounds… as has the swearing … We’re much better at it and far more open…
There’s a certain honesty, integrity and authenticity that comes with a person who swears IMHO.
1966_and_all_that
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Not true. As I said above, it's about a time and a place. Fans swearing whilst chanting in the background at a televised match is to be expected and shouldn't - these days - require a commentator's apology. However, if a player or manager were to swear their way through a post-match interview then they should be pulled up for it.
Mark_GT
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What big conk? - can't say I'd noticedi thought you were referring to her big conk!
BFC_BFC_BFC
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That’s a bit different though isn’t it…Although to be honest it would make no difference to me whatsoever…
I’d rather hear a few choice swear words than a collection of pointless football cliches.
So tbh, I still think it would only really bother the up their own arse types. Most people would find it quite amusing, entertaining & refreshing.
Macseasider
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Yes. Of course the commentator pointing out and apologising for a swear word will be the saviour of all our moral souls.I think they, you and I are wasting our time in trying to maintain said modicum. Profanity, abuse and bad language, by both sexes, seems to be the norm nowadays. I’m beginning to think if expletives were removed from the language the majority of people would be speechless.
What yogurt knitting twaddle.
mull
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Ah yes, good old Saint Stephen
Sport and swearing go together, have done as long as that game's been played.
If TV are worried about the crowd noise, they should either put more thought into how they position their sound equipment, or put a 5 sec delay on transmission.
The funniest one I ever heard was in BBC golf. Dear old Brian Barnes teed off to the gentle voice of Bruce Critchley, lost it bad to the right, and a resounding "tw@" followed. I hope you didn't hear what we heard, said Bruce.
If TV are worried about the crowd noise, they should either put more thought into how they position their sound equipment, or put a 5 sec delay on transmission.
The funniest one I ever heard was in BBC golf. Dear old Brian Barnes teed off to the gentle voice of Bruce Critchley, lost it bad to the right, and a resounding "tw@" followed. I hope you didn't hear what we heard, said Bruce.
straightatthewall
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As an acute observer of these things, the broadcasters just turn down the crowds mics when there’s a sweaty song. It’s when they pick up lone voices or players/coaches giving it a proper Malcom Tucker that they have to step in with the apology. And rightly so at 1 in the afternoon. It might sound old fashioned but there will be little kids watching.
Of course nothing beats a good swear in a post match interview. Who can recall Micah Richards stunning debut for City (long before he became a Kriss Akabussi tribute act)? Great swear in front of Garth Crooks who then proceeded to patronise the funk out of the sweary motherflipper.
Of course nothing beats a good swear in a post match interview. Who can recall Micah Richards stunning debut for City (long before he became a Kriss Akabussi tribute act)? Great swear in front of Garth Crooks who then proceeded to patronise the funk out of the sweary motherflipper.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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Why do we not want children to hear or use swear words?
I can see why the “oh my goodness did you hear that child swear, how utterly ghastly” types might find it upsets their apple carts, but I’m talking from a practical perspective.
I can see why the “oh my goodness did you hear that child swear, how utterly ghastly” types might find it upsets their apple carts, but I’m talking from a practical perspective.
Wizaard
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How many murders and knife attacks have there been in Blackpool this year and last?
Define running amok.
B_HenrySt
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Have fun with it. Every time they say it, I shout "oh f*** off"
straightatthewall
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It's fine for you in your hippy communes, where children are brought up around hemp and random nudity. But for the rest of society it's important to at least let children be children until they start primary school. After that we know the wokers will brainwash them into all manner of sins anyway, but at least we tried...
straightatthewall
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Best episode of Blue Peter ever!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn't make it right.
Albert Ross
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I am talking nationally not locally. It’s not just a local problem.
Wizaard
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600 murders last year in the UK. Half of the victims were known to their assailant. Too many, obviously, but still relatively uncommon and fewer than 20 years ago, so as I said, define amok.
Homicides in England and Wales 2023 | Statista
The number of homicides in England and Wales fell in 2022/23, when compared with the previous year, but remain higher than in the mid-2010s.
www.statista.com
Sooty59
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Especially the young, we used to keep profanities saved for work, out with the lads, jokes & to make the odd strong point.I think they, you and I are wasting our time in trying to maintain said modicum. Profanity, abuse and bad language, by both sexes, seems to be the norm nowadays. I’m beginning to think if expletives were removed from the language the majority of people would be speechless.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Why did you do that and why do you think that was better or more appropriate ?Especially the young, we used to keep profanities saved for work, out with the lads, jokes & to make the odd strong point.
Lytham_fy8
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The AVFTT politics board in a nutshell
Albert Ross
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The highest number between 1960 and 1970 was 400. That’s an increase of 50% not halved as has been claimed in a previous post.600 murders last year in the UK. Half of the victims were known to their assailant. Too many, obviously, but still relatively uncommon and fewer than 20 years ago, so as I said, define amok.
Homicides in England and Wales 2023 | Statista
The number of homicides in England and Wales fell in 2022/23, when compared with the previous year, but remain higher than in the mid-2010s.
Albert Ross
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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I didn’t mention murders…
I said that the Number of kids carrying knives had halved along with the number of violent street crimes.
Sooty59
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I was always brought up with the if you have to resort to swearing, you've lost the argument approach & there are better ways to make your point. Now F**k off
Albert Ross
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I see you are open to different views than your own and are willing to debate those views in a reasonable and respectful manner. Your above post sums up perfectly exactly what I mean. The last resort of the uneducated is personal abuse.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I was always brought up with the if you have to resort to swearing, you've lost the argument approach & there are better ways to make your point. Now F**k off
Yes… I know how people were brought up… Goforgosl was brought up the same it would seem, but nobody seems to be able to explain why.
straightatthewall
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Christ Bloodster, that's your best post ever.
Albert Ross
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Please read your post again “ the number of violent crimes has halved” is murder not a violent crime?
Adams Kebab
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The commentators apologise at the boxing for swearing from the corners. It’s usually on past 9pm or early hours in the morning and this is after you’ve just watched 3 minutes of them hitting each other. Well done on spinning his jaw but sorry that the trainer said “up your fuckin work rate”. Strange.
Bang on about the crowd mics too, you’ll never hear Elland Road sing Sky TV is fuckin shit at a live game on Sky, but it got a good airing every match in the Championship as they moaned about their tv schedule.
Bang on about the crowd mics too, you’ll never hear Elland Road sing Sky TV is fuckin shit at a live game on Sky, but it got a good airing every match in the Championship as they moaned about their tv schedule.
Sooty59
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It always makes me smile when people get chastised for swearing, as it's only a word & we could make up any other to mean the same. I can only offer an opinion & when I hear a group of people talking loudly & it's FFing this C**ting that & FFing the other I can't say it really endears me towards them.
Yes… I know how people were brought up… Goforgosl was brought up the same it would seem, but nobody seems to be able to explain why.
Briggsysgonagetya
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** is my favorite
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m not sure whether it’s violent or not… I don’t suppose poisoning is particularly violent. I should have been more specific.. As Wiz said, murder tends to occur within relationships by and large.
Anyway back to the matter of swearing… Why do you think it is offensive and why should it only be used in certain circumstances by certain people?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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So really it’s just about learned behaviour maybe.? You’ve been taught by someone that swearing is a bit naughty and only nasty horrible bad people do it, so when you hear some sweary characters giving it plenty, you feel a bit uncomfortable and intimidated or draw an assumption that they are not very nice people???
Albert Ross
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I don’t necessarily think it’s offensive, in none of my posts have I said it’s offensive to me. I have said and still maintain its offensive to some people and their feelings should be respected. It’s not the actual words or act it’s the fact that they don’t care who hears and don’t give s monkeys anyway. We all have to live alongside each other and a little thought for others makes it a happier place for us all.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but who are these people that get offended by swearing and why do they get offended?
Swear words are obviously useful tools and form an integral part of our language and communication, so they have obviously evolved to serve a purpose.
Of course, if we just ‘accepted’ them and they were no longer a bit ‘taboo’ then their impact and effectiveness might be lost.
I wonder if it’s actually quite important that we protect these words by ensuring they retain their cutting edge and so those who do take offence are doing society a great service by keeping swear words alive and effective.
What do you think?
Albert Ross
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I think that when my generation has expired you may very well be right and it will have become the norm. As to whom is offended there are many very elderly people, mainly women, of my acquaintance who are very offended by the over use of ‘bad’ language and express that view on a regular basis. They often pass comment on young school children etc. who they pass in the street effing and jeffing. I know it’s a generational thing but as I said earlier they should have the right to walk down a street without having to hear things that offend them, not even quietly but at a volume anyone can hear. I hope we can now put this to bed.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I think older people have always moaned about the behaviour of the younger generation really.I think that when my generation has expired you may very well be right and it will have become the norm. As to whom is offended there are many very elderly people, mainly women, of my acquaintance who are very offended by the over use of ‘bad’ language and express that view on a regular basis. They often pass comment on young school children etc. who they pass in the street effing and jeffing. I know it’s a generational thing but as I said earlier they should have the right to walk down a street without having to hear things that offend them, not even quietly but at a volume anyone can hear. I hope we can now put this to bed.
I also think we probably need to keep swearing safe. So if it gets over used or too acceptable it will stop being as useful or offensive. So I think best we keep on apologising for it on TV.
Another interesting thing with swearing is that it seems to be the aspiring working classes / middle classes who find swearing most offensive. It’s almost as if they believe that ‘speaking more proper’ might elevate them in society.
Funnily enough the upper classes seem to swear just as much as the lower / working classes.
I wonder if that has something to do with it….
Sooty59
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I'm not averse to swearing at certain times, but perhaps you saw my example in isolation, a little like interview questions, as there's always more information that's been omitted, which would invariably lead you to a much better conclusion. We all have to draw the line somewhere.
1966_and_all_that
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Of course, you're heavily characaturing x3
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I was really just asking you a question, to try and understand why people swearing loudly would 'not endear them to you'...
I tend to think that it's OK when I'm swearing, but I'm not particularly keen when other people do it. I don't like hearing young kids swearing (although I have no idea why I feel like that). I wouldn't want to hear loud swearing when I'm out having a meal, but then I think searing loudly at the football is great and often very funny.
Yes, of course 1966, but I'm also just trying to explore why we are so sensitive to it and why we place these arbitrary 'rules' when it comes to swearing and also make judgements based upon them. I do it myself (make judgements that is), so I'm no different to the next person, but I can't really rationalise why, in practical terms, it makes any difference.
1966_and_all_that
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Like I said above, time & place. The sensitivity is around the question, "would the person I'm talking to, or the environment I'm in, make it offensive to swear?" Nobody comes out of church, shakes hands with the vicar and says, "what a F***** great sermon you tw@!"
The football crowd swearing on live TV is an incidental hazard. people should be able to take that or switch off if it offends. It's the personal usage in sensitive environments that has to be controlled.....I believe.
seasiderjohn
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you hear just as bad in the school playground nowadays it doesnt hurt or cause pain its used in 90% of conversation its a word get over it its not like racism or homophobic chanting etc most programs have som form of swearing in and with regards to the old 9 oclock watershed thats gone out of the window with on demand / catch up