Why is racism against white people not called out by the MSM?

[ElBurroSinNombre]

What the fuck has science got to do with it?

Like I said… the idea that people have inherent bias is obvious.. We don’t need science to tell us that

The point is that bias is individual and personal and it’s also useful.

As I said, because real racism has been all but eradicated, the manic oppressives have now moved on to ‘thought crime’

Because you said earlier that unconscious bias was 'invented'. Science says otherwise. As soon as I pointed this out you said that you didn't need science to tell you what is obvious. So immediately conceded that it does actually exist. If we can accept that this sort of bias exists then we can design systems to minimise it.
Your posts reveal that you don't really understand what science involves and what the scientific method is.
Anyway, I'm watching the game and I can't be arsed arguing anymore. So I'm out

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Because you said earlier that unconscious bias was 'invented'. Science says otherwise. As soon as I pointed this out you said that you didn't need science to tell you what is obvious. So immediately conceded that it does actually exist. If we can accept that this sort of bias exists then we can design systems to minimise it.
Your posts reveal that you don't really understand what science involves and what the scientific method is.
Anyway, I'm watching the game and I can't be arsed arguing anymore. So I'm out

It was invented….

As I said, we all but eradicated racism and so the manic oppressives had to scrape the bottom of the barrel… hence ‘unconscious bias’ was born.

As I keep saying bias is in all of us, it’s individual… You clearly demonstrate incredible bias (as your comments on this thread demonstrate)… It’s a useful and perfectly natural tool that can serve us well.

We choose our associations, our partners, our friends and make a whole range of decisions based on our bias or personal preferences… That’s life… it’s human nature… deal with it

 

[JJpool]

There are times when I think we're making social progress in this country. Then we get threads like this. It really is a shame. Still, I think it's mainly the older generation that post this stuff. Hopefully it'll fade away with time.

You've clearly completely willfully missed the point of the thread. You're insinuating by raising valid points it's taking us back.

No, we're already regressing from people allowing clear bias to happen.

This thread is pointing out prejudice when it happens, regardless of sides, that's true fairness.

It's amazing how many want to sweep these things away, because presumably you're scared to raise them. When the other way round you'd presumably be frothing and throwing out labels?

That would be the very definition of a biased and unequal position.

 

[JJpool]

Unconscious / implicit bias is an established psychological phenomenon. Experiments show that we tend to favour people that we perceive to be in the same group as us. There have been many experiments that show that this is real. I am glad that you can dismiss a large body of scientific literature in one sentence but it is an established and accepted characteristic that humans have. I do appreciate that this new information might make you feel uncomfortable .

We couldn't live in the world without making generalisations about things. However it becomes dangerous when we apply generalisations to groups of people because they are made up of individuals.

What we've seen from some of the examples mentioned in the thread is worse than any unconscious bias, we've seen a conscious effort to be biased by some and then a failure to call it out by the MSM, where the other way it would be.

It's really not hard to see how that shouldn't be happening.

Once again, true equality is treating all the same, or is that some mad right wing goal now...

 

[1966_and_all_that]

You've clearly completely willfully missed the point of the thread. You're insinuating by raising valid points it's taking us back.

No, we're already regressing from people allowing clear bias to happen.

This thread is pointing out prejudice when it happens, regardless of sides, that's true fairness.

It's amazing how many want to sweep these things away, because presumably you're scared to raise them. When the other way round you'd presumably be frothing and throwing out labels?

That would be the very definition of a biased and unequal position.

Oh.

PS. There's been a clusterfuck of a match on today.

 

[JJpool]

A necessary payment, why not ban slavery and tell already rich slave owners to fuck off?Most on here have paid towards this debt, to people like David Camerons family. Families were given huge sums of money, the equivalent of 50 to 100m. Its quite sickening, it wasn't a philanthropic gesture but a way to take money from the working classes (in excess of 150 years to pay off) to further enhance the wealth of morally bankrupt people who thrived on human misery.
So when people argue it was a historical event that no one should apologise for I'd say it makes me angry that myself and past generations of my family (who are relatively poor) had to pay for it. Kleptocracy at its finest.

Ahh yes, I'm sure the slave oweners would just let them all go. Clearly it was a good thing to buy their freedom. It's more important than where the money had to go.

The point in all this was it's never remembered that we got rid of slavery, which was the done thing at the time. There's a narrative of white people being the oppressor, when all races and people have been involved in it and some still are.

 

[JJpool]

Oh.

PS. There's been a clusterfuck of a match on today.

I know, why do you think I've moved back to this side.

 

[JJpool]

Exactly, if the British government had truly believed that slavery was wrong why not just release the slaves without paying compensation to the people doing the slaving.
The slave owners had already made fortunes out of forced labour in barbaric conditions. Instead of giving them money to give up their slaves, a truly just outcome would have been to confiscate and sell their assets giving the proceeds to the previously enslaved.
I am not sure that this argument is the zinger that the apologists think it is.

I'm sure it was that easy, why didn't they think of that. Maybe they wouldn't have given them up so easily and given there will have been many thousands scattered all over the place, it's probably not viable to be sending many men to forcibly stop it in far away lands, rather a simple money payment was the easiest and best solution.

Tbh I've no idea the logistics, but I doubt we'll have crippled ourselves with such a debt for no reason. Money makes the world go round and we got the job done, which is more important than the cash.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I'm sure it was that easy, why didn't they think of that. Maybe they wouldn't have given them up so easily and given there will have been many thousands scattered all over the place, it's probably not viable to be sending many men to forcibly stop it in far away lands, rather a simple money payment was the easiest and best solution.

Tbh I've no idea the logistics, but I doubt we'll have crippled ourselves with such a debt for no reason. Money makes the world go round and we got the job done, which is more important than the cash.

The argument presented by @ElBurroSinNombre and the like is about as naive and lacking any sense of historical or political context as it could possibly get.

It’s the equivalent of trying to solve the Northern Ireland conflict by shooting a few know IRA members in the head.

Bringing about the end of slavery was an absolute triumph for British Politics, but it was by no means a popular decision. The battle for the hearts and minds of the ‘movers and shakers’ of the day was hard fought and like it or not, the payments (in that era and circumstances) played a fundamental part in bringing about positive change.

To treat such a landmark event with such peevish cynicism is completely typical of this new age radical left wing ideology…..

 

[Pool4me]

We've regressed recently and what we've seen is a rise in things said against white people that wouldn't be tolerated the other way.

Infact we had someone associated with blm suggest that they've had it so now the pendulum has swung the other way and that it's just a defence mechanism.

The point here is the way to achieve harmony is not to hit back at white people with things that wouldn't be tolerated the other way round, that'll only create division.

The most discriminated person in the U.K. is the white male

 

[Shandypants]

Ahh yes, I'm sure the slave oweners would just let them all go. Clearly it was a good thing to buy their freedom. It's more important than where the money had to go.

The point in all this was it's never remembered that we got rid of slavery, which was the done thing at the time. There's a narrative of white people being the oppressor, when all races and people have been involved in it and some still are.

Don't talk shit, ebolish slavery and tell the slave owners they aren't getting anything.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Don't talk shit, ebolish slavery and tell the slave owners they aren't getting anything.

Are you being serious or are you pissed?

 

[Shandypants]

I'm sure it was that easy, why didn't they think of that. Maybe they wouldn't have given them up so easily and given there will have been many thousands scattered all over the place, it's probably not viable to be sending many men to forcibly stop it in far away lands, rather a simple money payment was the easiest and best solution.

Tbh I've no idea the logistics, but I doubt we'll have crippled ourselves with such a debt for no reason. Money makes the world go round and we got the job done, which is more important than the cash.

Kleptocracy and unfortunately there are a lot of apologists who accept it.

 

[Shandypants]

Are you being serious or are you pissed?

Are you? Why should slave owners be the recipient of huge sums of money?

 

[JJpool]

Don't talk shit, ebolish slavery and tell the slave owners they aren't getting anything.

It was enforcing it across an empire.

You don't just put out a tweet saying "right guys it's now abolished" and a load of unruly slave owners immediately just say "ahh well, we had a good run."

I imagine it's far more complex than you're making out.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Are you? Why should slave owners be the recipient of huge sums of money?

You’re trying to apply 2023 logic and societal context to an entirely different world… It’s beyond idiotic.

 

[Shandypants]

It was enforcing it across an empire.

You don't just put out a tweet saying "right guys it's now abolished" and a load of unruly slave owners immediately just say "ahh well, we had a good run."

I imagine it's far more complex than you're making out.

So unruly slave owners were tamed by money? How convenient

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

So unruly slave owners were tamed by money? How convenient

It was the early 1800’s… Slavery was ended… It took another half a century and more as well as an extremely bloody civil war for slavery in the US to finally be abolished.

Your take on this is embarrassingly lacking in context shandy…

 

[Shandypants]

You’re trying to apply 2023 logic and societal context to an entirely different world… It’s beyond idiotic.

I've noted you're playing the man with quotes such as "are you pissed" and "idiotic"and not the subject, which says a lot about you. If you think that ebolishing the slave trade by paying eye-watering sums to slave owners was acceptable that's your prerogative, its certainly not my view. It's a consistent theme of this country though, reward the rich, remember the contracts dished around during covid?

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I've noted you're playing the man with quotes such as "are you pissed" and "idiotic"and not the subject, which says a lot about you. If you think that ebolishing the slave trade by paying eye-watering sums to slave owners was acceptable that's your prerogative, its certainly not my view. It's a consistent theme of this country though, reward the rich, remember the contracts dished around during covid?

My pissed comment was aimed at your misspelling of ‘abolish’

I think that ending slavery was a monumental moment in history and that the impact of what was achieved shouldn’t be underestimated.

In the context of Britain in the early 1800’s I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with how it was achieved.

I’m very proud of the lead that Britain took to end slavery and I’m very proud of the nation that we have developed into….

 

[JJpool]

The argument presented by @ElBurroSinNombre and the like is about as naive and lacking any sense of historical or political context as it could possibly get.

It’s the equivalent of trying to solve the Northern Ireland conflict by shooting a few know IRA members in the head.

Bringing about the end of slavery was an absolute triumph for British Politics, but it was by no means a popular decision. The battle for the hearts and minds of the ‘movers and shakers’ of the day was hard fought and like it or not, the payments (in that era and circumstances) played a fundamental part in bringing about positive change.

To treat such a landmark event with such peevish cynicism is completely typical of this new age radical left wing ideology…..

Yeah it's absolutely bizarre to look back, with no idea the difficulties in implementing a deeply unpopular idea throughout a global empire hundreds of years ago and say oh, couldn't they just have told them not to do it or else.

The main thing surely is that it was achieved, by many different means, surely that's the important thing.

 

[TSSeasider]

Well our sprinting teams of 4 men and 4 women were all black.

100% black.

Not a good look is it.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Well our sprinting teams of 4 men and 4 women were all black.

100% black.

Not a good look is it.

Bring back Alan Wells … the only white British male sprinter I can actually remember

 

[JJpool]

Well our sprinting teams of 4 men and 4 women were all black.

100% black.

Not a good look is it.

Clearly athletics needs an investigation into why there's not more diversity.

 

[noahnear]

No it isn't, if there wasn't any hard left ideologies there wouldn't be a GB news.

You've wrote a load of bollocks there and there is no propaganda here, only pointing out the obvious way, with examples, that people are allowed to say things against white people they wouldn't the other way.

Again, if they didn't come out with biased discriminatory things there'd be nothing for them to report.

The channel wasn't even around for brexit so thats rubbish.

No one is taking me for a walk as I witnessed the things on other platforms and it was clear bias that wouldn't be tolerated the other way. This is just people discussing those instances.

It's wrong and many have admitted it's wrong to see everything through the prism of race and over push for diversity when it's already represented. It's people on the left pushing these ott diversity agendas which is leading to some of the things on the op.

All anyone is asking for is fairness, coming out with the line that the baby killer got away with it because she's white is a completely unnecessary and divisive thing to say, nevermind no doubt nonsense. Infact as stated we've already seen with the grooming gangs how the other way people were scared to report things.

I had a boss that seriously asked me why a black man could call him a honky but he couldn't call the black man a n****r. Like you, he was THAT out of touch.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

It was invented….

As I said, we all but eradicated racism and so the manic oppressives had to scrape the bottom of the barrel… hence ‘unconscious bias’ was born.

As I keep saying bias is in all of us, it’s individual… You clearly demonstrate incredible bias (as your comments on this thread demonstrate)… It’s a useful and perfectly natural tool that can serve us well.

We choose our associations, our partners, our friends and make a whole range of decisions based on our bias or personal preferences… That’s life… it’s human nature… deal with it

A quick look on Google Scholar shows that there are 676,000 papers / articles that reference unconscious bias.
There have been numerous (hundreds) of psychological experiments that show that this phenomena exists and is a facet of being a human being. It was actually discovered by psychologists who are not a part of the discrimination industry as you imply.
You may as well assert that gravity is 'invented'.

The world is full of people who think that just because they can say or think something then it must be true because they feel it to be true. Fortunately, in the modern world, we have science that attempts to establish fact in an objective way.

Previously you dismissed the views of the head of the RCN as 'bullshit'. Do you really think that you would know more about nursing than the head of the RCN (who are actually not a radical organisation)?

As for your risible claim that racism has been 'almost eradicated' - are you really in a position to know this? What evidence is there for this?

Just because you feel something doesn't make it true - it's just narcissism.

 

[JJpool]

I had a boss that seriously asked me why a black man could call him a honky but he couldn't call the black man a n****r. Like you, he was THAT out of touch.

I haven't brought insults into it, you have.

You're clearly out of touch if you can't see why calling anyone an insult based on their colour is still wrong.

What a pathetic post.

 

[Malced]

How many of you deeply troubled, historically ashamed, guilt-ridden people have done anything for black society?

If you’re struggling to live in your predominantly white country, in your large semi or detached house, with your nice car, and your healthy bank balance, and you’re perma-distressed about historical injustice, there is an option for you.

Simply give a significant portion of your wealth, or all of your wealth if you’re so ashamed, to a black charity of your choice. It’s really quite easy to do. And no, your tenner on comic relief day doesn’t cut it.

But please don’t continue to hold onto to your monetary privileges whilst philosophising about past injustice. Because surely that would be the stark hypocrisy of the woke and the fake outraged. Typically those who have reached beyond middle age and have time on their hands to sit feeling newly virtuous without actually doing anything about it but talking crap.

And don’t come the defence of having earned it through your career or inherited it.

If you’ve earned your wealth over a long career it’s inevitable you’ve done so due to your white privilege. You’ve been given jobs ahead of non white candidates and it’s equally true for all those promotions.
If you’ve inherited your wealth, then on today’s standards you’ve inherited it from racists.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

A quick look on Google Scholar shows that there are 676,000 papers / articles that reference unconscious bias.
There have been numerous (hundreds) of psychological experiments that show that this phenomena exists and is a facet of being a human being. It was actually discovered by psychologists who are not a part of the discrimination industry as you imply.
You may as well assert that gravity is 'invented'.

The world is full of people who think that just because they can say or think something then it must be true because they feel it to be true. Fortunately, in the modern world, we have science that attempts to establish fact in an objective way.

Previously you dismissed the views of the head of the RCN as 'bullshit'. Do you really think that you would know more about nursing than the head of the RCN (who are actually not a radical organisation)?

As for your risible claim that racism has been 'almost eradicated' - are you really in a position to know this? What evidence is there for this?

Just because you feel something doesn't make it true - it's just narcissism.

I'm not talking about bias or prejudice being invented (of course it has always been there, it's an inherent and important part of our survival instinct) I'm talking about the way in which 'unconscious bias' has suddenly been shoehorned into the the focus of attention... It's complete nonsense, we are more agreeable to some people and not to others and that bias is drawn along a whole range of characteristics.

Of course I dismissed the views of the head of the RCN as Bullshit, because that's precisely what they were ... 100% cast iron bullshit!! and she's one of many in this country in senior positions who are churning the same kind of shyte out.... You talk about science, yet you are willing to throw your lot in behind a pathetically unscientific methodology that has 'bias' strewn throughout and doesn't remotely support any of the conclusions that are being overlayed....

The evidence is all over our society.... And your last sentence is spot on and something that you radical lefties should pay attention to. You continuously view the world through your peevish and cynical, narcissistic lens. You collectively manufacture ever more ridiculous ways in which to pick away at the fabric of our society and sow division between normal people who just want to get on with their lives and bumble along with each other. You constantly focus on points of difference, highlight them, imprint your feelings onto them, presume to wrap your protective cloak around your invented victims, dragging them kicking and screaming into your manic-oppressives club.

Any Blacks who try to tell you that they don't agree with your narcissism are 'Uncle Toms'... If Gays don't agree with you, then they're not really gay or they're in denial etc.. etc.. Why do these people not see what the Neo-Marxist-London-Centric-Think-Tanks are 'feeling' on their behalf.... It's probably because they're just to stupid to notice, so you need to re-educate them by supplanting their sense of contentment and seeding your feelings of discontent...."You may think that the naughty white people aren't oppressing you, but that's because you've never heard of....."White-Privilege", "Unconscious Bias" [Insert latest Buzz Phrase]"....

 

[JJpool]

How many of you deeply troubled, historically ashamed, guilt-ridden people have done anything for black society?

If you’re struggling to live in your predominantly white country, in your large semi or detached house, with your nice car, and your healthy bank balance, and you’re perma-distressed about historical injustice, there is an option for you.

Simply give a significant portion of your wealth, or all of your wealth if you’re so ashamed, to a black charity of your choice. It’s really quite easy to do. And no, your tenner on comic relief day doesn’t cut it.

But please don’t continue to hold onto to your monetary privileges whilst philosophising about past injustice. Because surely that would be the stark hypocrisy of the woke and the fake outraged. Typically those who have reached beyond middle age and have time on their hands to sit feeling newly virtuous without actually doing anything about it but talking crap.

And don’t come the defence of having earned it through your career or inherited it.

If you’ve earned your wealth over a long career it’s inevitable you’ve done so due to your white privilege. You’ve been given jobs ahead of non white candidates and it’s equally true for all those promotions.
If you’ve inherited your wealth, then on today’s standards you’ve inherited it from racists.

There was someone on a debate who said if the skills were equal in a job interview, the job should ALWAYS go to the minority candidate.

So a low level/entry level job for e.g. needing no real skill, only a reliable person to turn up, could always go to a minority if they applied.

If that was the case and with the amount of immigration, you could see large sections of society out of work and many are the very type of people who you want to get off benefits etc.

 

[spudgun]

"There was someone on a debate who said..." FFS!

Is that really a sound basis for your deductive reasoning?

So with a hop, skip and a jump we are at large scale unemployment and benefit scroungers! All because "someone on a debate once said".

One or two of you really do need to get out more and find some real pals who will put you right when you when you spout this nonsense.

Living your life rummaging through Youtube late at night and being fed by algorithms is not healthy.

 

[JJpool]

"There was someone on a debate who said..." FFS!

Is that really a sound basis for your deductive reasoning?

So with a hop, skip and a jump we are at large scale unemployment and benefit scroungers! All because "someone on a debate once said".

One or two of you really do need to get out more and find some real pals who will put you right when you when you spout this nonsense.

Living your life rummaging through Youtube late at night and being fed by algorithms is not healthy.

It was representative of views held by virtue signalling types, no doubt like yourself.

It was an example of the type of views held by some, I didn't say it was happening.

It's been so predictable the response on here and the people responding, who respond to everything raised with the same tactics of downplaying, attacking the source, calling names and the topic is always a non issue in their eyes.

I hate to break it to you but most normal people agree with the common sense approach to these type of things, just want to live a normal life without having to feel guilty for just being white and just want true fairness.

The non stop looking for issues and trying to turn every topic aboit race by some is a backwards step.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Meanwhile actual racism is alive and well.

In Jacksonville a white supremacist has shot dead three black people. For the simple reason he hated black people.

 

[JJpool]

Meanwhile actual racism is alive and well.

In Jacksonville a white supremacist has shot dead three black people. For the simple reason he hated black people.

From the ridiculous USA, terrible, unfortunately guns give power to lunatics.

Doesn't make any of the points made here wrong.

The aim is equality in all areas.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

From the ridiculous USA, terrible, unfortunately guns give power to lunatics.

Doesn't make any of the points made here wrong.

The aim is equality in all areas.

Guns do indeed give power to lunatics. They also give power to racists to murder people because of the colour of their skin.

As for “the aim is equality in all areas”. Maybe we could start with freedom of speech?

White person says something people disagree with it’s “freedom of speech innit”.

Black person says something people disagree with and it’s “anti white racism”, “a Marxist conspiracy” and “an attack on our white western values and culture”.

 

[JJpool]

Guns do indeed give power to lunatics. They also give power to racists to murder people because of the colour of their skin.

As for “the aim is equality in all areas”. Maybe we could start with freedom of speech?

White person says something people disagree with it’s “freedom of speech innit”.

Black person says something people disagree with and it’s “anti white racism”, “a Marxist conspiracy” and “an attack on our white western values and culture”.

Some seem determined to import more issues from abroad that really don't translate to this country. What happened there was abhorrent.

The US has massive issues.

Yes we could start with that, as explained if it can be said on way it can be said another. Or if it can't one way but can another then it's not equal. People shouldn't be specifically looking for colour in everything, that's not the way to to create the equality we need.

 

[Sven]

Update:

I am still yet to experience racism of any kind.

I hope the white people affected by this stay strong, you will get through this.

Praying for you, Sven.

 

[Malced]

Meanwhile actual racism is alive and well.

In Jacksonville a white supremacist has shot dead three black people. For the simple reason he hated black people.

This is a futile attempt to try and win an argument by citing an extreme case. You’ve had to look across the globe to do so.

It’s like having a debate about whether there’s sufficient gay rights and whether discrimination exists, in the UK, and saying meanwhile they’re throwing gay people off buildings in some Islamic extremist country where being gay leads to punishment and perhaps death.

With regards to the shooting you cited, it was committed by a 21 year old. He killed three black people and then killed himself. It’s been described by the authorities as a terrorist attack and a hate crime.

The man was clearly very troubled to have shot three people and then taken his own life. Mental health issues are often associated with such attacks, and this one fits that mould.

So your one far flung extreme example committed by a troubled young man is neither here nor there when it comes to this discussion.
You can’t have sensible, rational, balanced and fair discussions by citing the most isloated extreme horrific case.

Your post is merely the act of someone who can’t make a reasoned argument so you’ve had to go find an extreme case to try and help. Good try. But it doesn’t work. And it’s not appropriate.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Update:

I am still yet to experience racism of any kind.

I hope the white people affected by this stay strong, you will get through this.

Praying for you, Sven.

Very good.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

This is a futile attempt to try and win an argument by citing an extreme case. You’ve had to look across the globe to do so.

It’s like having a debate about whether there’s sufficient gay rights and whether discrimination exists, in the UK, and saying meanwhile they’re throwing gay people off buildings in some Islamic extremist country where being gay leads to punishment and perhaps death.

With regards to the shooting you cited, it was committed by a 21 year old. He killed three black people and then killed himself. It’s been described by the authorities as a terrorist attack and a hate crime.

The man was clearly very troubled to have shot three people and then taken his own life. Mental health issues are often associated with such attacks, and this one fits that mould.

So your one far flung extreme example committed by a troubled young man is neither here nor there when it comes to this discussion.
You can’t have sensible, rational, balanced and fair discussions by citing the most isloated extreme horrific case.

Your post is merely the act of someone who can’t make a reasoned argument so you’ve had to go find an extreme case to try and help. Good try. But it doesn’t work. And it’s not appropriate.

Good try at trying to pretend it was an isolated incident. It wasn’t as the attached shows.

White supremacists and others have a long history of targeting blacks, Jews, Asians and Gays.

And as JJ has said, some people would like to import that level of hatred into the U.K.

Overview of recent US mass shootings motivated by hate

A white man who shot and killed three African Americans at a Dollar General Store in Jacksonville, Florida, on Saturday was motivated by a hatred of Black people, according to police, who said he left behind several statements detailing his motives.

www.reuters.com

 

[basilrobbie3]

You can’t have sensible, rational, balanced and fair discussions by citing the most isloated extreme horrific case.

And yet you, JJPool and LostSeasider do something very similar regularly.

I think you should try to widen your reading - all three of you. Just parroting whatever is coming out of your private echo chamber doesn't make it accurate, balanced or even true.

 

[Malced]

And yet you, JJPool and LostSeasider do something very similar regularly.

I think you should try to widen your reading - all three of you. Just parroting whatever is coming out of your private echo chamber doesn't make it accurate, balanced or even true.

Nah that’s unsubstantiated nonsense. Easy to say. Not easy to prove. I however have given a specific example where one of your buddies has tried to hijack a thread by going to the extremes. The fact you’re defending that shows you are of the same mindset and it’s no wonder therefore you’re piping up.

Even if your accusation was correct, two wrongs don’t make a right. He’s taken things to the extreme with an inappropriate example and you can try and defend that but it’s there for all to see.

 

[Malced]

Good try at trying to pretend it was an isolated incident. It wasn’t as the attached shows.

White supremacists and others have a long history of targeting blacks, Jews, Asians and Gays.

And as JJ has said, some people would like to import that level of hatred into the U.K.

Overview of recent US mass shootings motivated by hate

A white man who shot and killed three African Americans at a Dollar General Store in Jacksonville, Florida, on Saturday was motivated by a hatred of Black people, according to police, who said he left behind several statements detailing his motives.

www.reuters.com

No one is denying there’s white supremacists. But you’ve taken an extreme case perpetrated by someone suicidal and thus mentally ill. You can’t take an extreme to prove a rule. It’s nonsense.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

No one is denying there’s white supremacists. But you’ve taken an extreme case perpetrated by someone suicidal and thus mentally ill. You can’t take an extreme to prove a rule. It’s nonsense.

Again you’re trying to pretend it was an isolated incident so again I’ll point you to the Reuters report which proves it wasn’t.

But my point really is to demonstrate what real racism looks like. Rather than hurt feelings and indignation because of press articles that give a point of view you don’t like (or the absence of press articles that reflect your view), it results in dead bodies.

It’s what a previous poster referred to a false equivalence between what has been described as anti white racism and what other minorities have to face. Here’s an article from Manchester University that may help you better understand.

Over a third of people from minority groups have experienced racist assaults, survey finds

More than a third of people from ethnic and religious minority groups in Britain have experienced some form of racist assault, according to new research led by experts from The University of Manchester, the University of St Andrews and King’s College London.The Evidence for Equality National...

www.manchester.ac.uk

 

[Malced]

Again you’re trying to pretend it was an isolated incident so again I’ll point you to the Reuters report which proves it wasn’t.

But my point really is to demonstrate what real racism looks like. Rather than hurt feelings and indignation because of press articles that give a point of view you don’t like (or the absence of press articles that reflect your view), it results in dead bodies.

It’s what a previous poster referred to a false equivalence between what has been described as anti white racism and what other minorities have to face. Here’s an article from Manchester University that may help you better understand.

Over a third of people from minority groups have experienced racist assaults, survey finds

More than a third of people from ethnic and religious minority groups in Britain have experienced some form of racist assault, according to new research led by experts from The University of Manchester, the University of St Andrews and King’s College London.The Evidence for Equality National...

www.manchester.ac.uk

I’ve no qualms with different viewpoints and I’m sure you have valid points too. I was just saying that citing an example of crazy suicidal murderer is not helpful in my opinion.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

I’ve no qualms with different viewpoints and I’m sure you have valid points too. I was just saying that citing an example of crazy suicidal murderer is not helpful in my opinion.

Well IMO it is helpful for two reasons.

First it shows the false equivalence between actual racism and what has been referred to on here as anti white racism. And

Secondly the attacks (including the attacks on blacks, Jews, and other minorities that you’re ignoring) show what happens when you go down the rabbit hole of The Great Replacement Theory and the hate that generates (and deliberately so).

 

[1966_and_all_that]

Nah that’s unsubstantiated nonsense. Easy to say. Not easy to prove. I however have given a specific example where one of your buddies has tried to hijack a thread by going to the extremes. The fact you’re defending that shows you are of the same mindset and it’s no wonder therefore you’re piping up.

Even if your accusation was correct, two wrongs don’t make a right. He’s taken things to the extreme with an inappropriate example and you can try and defend that but it’s there for all to see.

So many intellectual gymnastics just to comfort yourself in your rigid certainty. Your use of the word 'prove' is a get out from any sliver of doubt that you might be mistaken. A number of your fellow travellers use it. It's the argument that fire cannot be proven to be hot until you personally stick your hand in it and discover its physical effect. It's an inability to accept argument and 3rd hand information as evidence of truth.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

What a nonsense thread

Facts are some white people are racist and some black people are racist

End of thread

 

[JJpool]

Good try at trying to pretend it was an isolated incident. It wasn’t as the attached shows.

White supremacists and others have a long history of targeting blacks, Jews, Asians and Gays.

And as JJ has said, some people would like to import that level of hatred into the U.K.

Overview of recent US mass shootings motivated by hate

A white man who shot and killed three African Americans at a Dollar General Store in Jacksonville, Florida, on Saturday was motivated by a hatred of Black people, according to police, who said he left behind several statements detailing his motives.

www.reuters.com

The Left seem to try and import the issues as if they apply over here, when in reality the UK and the US are massively different.

I've no doubt some very far right will try and copy things other far right do, they are abhorrent too, luckily in this country there isn't a big element compared to many other countries.

But this is the real far right were talking, not the 'far right' that the left label as anyone who goes slightly against their mad agendas.

 

[Seaside Aggro]

The Left seem to try and import the issues as if they apply over here, when in reality the UK and the US are massively different.

I've no doubt some very far right will try and copy things other far right do, they are abhorrent too, luckily in this country there isn't a big element compared to many other countries.

But this is the real far right were talking, not the 'far right' that the left label as anyone who goes slightly against their mad agendas.

And are ‘the left’ in the room with us now?