Why is the investment in the squad seemingly falling?

Seasider99

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My first post on here and it’s unfortunately a rant! I have seen some similar posts on here, but thought I’d throw my opinion out there also. It’s one that I have put off for a long time, always trying to give Sadler the benefit of the doubt, but after the last few games it now feels the right time. I appreciate everything Sadler has done so far and he’s clearly investing large sums off the pitch in both the East Stand and the Training Ground, but why does the investment on the field seems to have dried up over the past year or so? I've only included players below that we reportedly paid a fee for and all transfer fees I've used are rough estimates based on what I remember hearing at the time of the transfer, so feel free to let me know if any look wildly wrong!

It looks as though over £2m was spent in transfer fees between 2019 and 2021 before our promotion to the Championship, with the club paying fees for:

  • Hardie (£250K)
  • Nuttall (£500K)
  • MacDonald (£100K)
  • Thorniley (£200K)
  • Husband (£200K)
  • Howe (£100K)
  • Garrity (£50K)
  • Yates (£200K)
  • Hamilton (£200K)
  • Lubala (£300K)
  • Gretarsson (£150K)
After being promoted to the Championship, we also invested heavily and look to have spent just under £2m, with all these signings coming within our 1st season back at that level:

  • Gabriel (£750K)
  • Casey (£500K)
  • Lavery (£200K)
  • Carey (£150K)
  • Dale (£200K)
  • Beesley (£150K)
After staying up, however, we bought only 2 players last season. Why?

  • Thompson (£300K)
  • Lyons (£300K)
And after going down, there hasn’t been much investment either, with the only fee paid being for Norburn.

  • Norburn (£250K)

So why has the amount of players being bought for a fee fallen so much? In the time frame in which the amounts invested appear to have fallen, we’ve also sold Jerry and Bowler and received compensation for Critchley which at the time was reported to be almost seven figures. That leaves an amount of perhaps £6m. Of course, there is a huge loss to an owner when running a club, especially one such as ours where we aren’t getting 30 or 40 thousand fans along every week, and this money will likely be received across the next few years in instalments rather than all at once, but all of this additional income makes the fact that less money seems to have been spent on transfers than previously even more puzzling.

It’s very easy to blame both the players and Critchley for the fairly underwhelming start to the season, and Critchley certainly hasn’t helped the situation with his team selections, formations and dull brand of football, but there simply hasn’t been enough investment to compete at the top of the table in my view. How are we expecting to compete with the likes of Bolton, Derby and Portsmouth and achieve promotion when we’ve almost exclusively signed players for free?

I don’t think Morgan has done too badly for us so far, but it seemed a very strange signing after not even being offered a new deal by Charlton (a mid-table team last year). Oakley Boothe is another one, if he performed so well in pre-season, why did we wait until 2 weeks of the season had elapsed before signing him? The answer is simple, he’s received no other offers and we got desperate. He was also apparently largely unimpressive last year at Lincoln.

It has been obvious to us supporters for weeks that a striker should have been at the top of our shopping list, we’ve failed to sign one (excluding Joseph who is still on the treatment table while we throw points away due to our failure to create and take chances). Instead the midfield has been overloaded with bang average players, so why haven’t we invested in signing a couple of quality creative players and a striker? I don’t see why signing a further 2-3 players for six figure sums (say perhaps anywhere between £300k and £600k each) hasn’t happened, it doesn’t seem an unrealistic expectation.

What are everybody else’s thoughts on this? Am I missing something?
 
My first post on here and it’s unfortunately a rant! I have seen some similar posts on here, but thought I’d throw my opinion out there also. It’s one that I have put off for a long time, always trying to give Sadler the benefit of the doubt, but after the last few games it now feels the right time. I appreciate everything Sadler has done so far and he’s clearly investing large sums off the pitch in both the East Stand and the Training Ground, but why does the investment on the field seems to have dried up over the past year or so? I've only included players below that we reportedly paid a fee for and all transfer fees I've used are rough estimates based on what I remember hearing at the time of the transfer, so feel free to let me know if any look wildly wrong!

It looks as though over £2m was spent in transfer fees between 2019 and 2021 before our promotion to the Championship, with the club paying fees for:

  • Hardie (£250K)
  • Nuttall (£500K)
  • MacDonald (£100K)
  • Thorniley (£200K)
  • Husband (£200K)
  • Howe (£100K)
  • Garrity (£50K)
  • Yates (£200K)
  • Hamilton (£200K)
  • Lubala (£300K)
  • Gretarsson (£150K)
After being promoted to the Championship, we also invested heavily and look to have spent just under £2m, with all these signings coming within our 1st season back at that level:

  • Gabriel (£750K)
  • Casey (£500K)
  • Lavery (£200K)
  • Carey (£150K)
  • Dale (£200K)
  • Beesley (£150K)
After staying up, however, we bought only 2 players last season. Why?

  • Thompson (£300K)
  • Lyons (£300K)
And after going down, there hasn’t been much investment either, with the only fee paid being for Norburn.

  • Norburn (£250K)

So why has the amount of players being bought for a fee fallen so much? In the time frame in which the amounts invested appear to have fallen, we’ve also sold Jerry and Bowler and received compensation for Critchley which at the time was reported to be almost seven figures. That leaves an amount of perhaps £6m. Of course, there is a huge loss to an owner when running a club, especially one such as ours where we aren’t getting 30 or 40 thousand fans along every week, and this money will likely be received across the next few years in instalments rather than all at once, but all of this additional income makes the fact that less money seems to have been spent on transfers than previously even more puzzling.

It’s very easy to blame both the players and Critchley for the fairly underwhelming start to the season, and Critchley certainly hasn’t helped the situation with his team selections, formations and dull brand of football, but there simply hasn’t been enough investment to compete at the top of the table in my view. How are we expecting to compete with the likes of Bolton, Derby and Portsmouth and achieve promotion when we’ve almost exclusively signed players for free?

I don’t think Morgan has done too badly for us so far, but it seemed a very strange signing after not even being offered a new deal by Charlton (a mid-table team last year). Oakley Boothe is another one, if he performed so well in pre-season, why did we wait until 2 weeks of the season had elapsed before signing him? The answer is simple, he’s received no other offers and we got desperate. He was also apparently largely unimpressive last year at Lincoln.

It has been obvious to us supporters for weeks that a striker should have been at the top of our shopping list, we’ve failed to sign one (excluding Joseph who is still on the treatment table while we throw points away due to our failure to create and take chances). Instead the midfield has been overloaded with bang average players, so why haven’t we invested in signing a couple of quality creative players and a striker? I don’t see why signing a further 2-3 players for six figure sums (say perhaps anywhere between £300k and £600k each) hasn’t happened, it doesn’t seem an unrealistic expectation.

What are everybody else’s thoughts on this? Am I missing something?
You have a point. We didn’t go up automatically with Yates, Simms, Ballard, and a fit Stewart. Why would we get anywhere near with the present squad? The first 3 are now worth quite a few million. We do have a habit of not getting our big targets. It is easy to say we have offered a million and then forget to mention we have asked player to sign for far less than he could get elsewhere.
 
You have a point. We didn’t go up automatically with Yates, Simms, Ballard, and a fit Stewart. Why would we get anywhere near with the present squad? The first 3 are now worth quite a few million. We do have a habit of not getting our big targets. It is easy to say we have offered a million and then forget to mention we have asked player to sign for far less than he could get elsewhere.
Exactly, the squad looks weaker than last time we were at this level.

And you're bang on about offering these fees, we supposedly bid a million for Brannagan last summer, if this was genuinely true then once we failed to get him why didn't we bid a similar amount for an alternative? Or use that money to strengthen other positions?

Instead we brought in a bunch of loans and
paid only a couple of hundred thousand for Callum Wright, a player who not only failed to impress, but who didn't even want to be here.
 
Spending money on a transfer fee is no real guarantee of success. I’d also suggest the initial expenditure was needed to essentially overhaul a squad. You could consider it a sort of infrastructure cost. Fairly significant initial outlay to put things right followed by smaller outlays to maintain it. On our budget, with our attendances you can’t possibly expect to run at a loss of £2million+, have £40million+ worth of training ground and stadium expenses in the pipeline AND also spend £1-2 million per year on players too. It’s completely unsustainable.
The moneys spent if needed and if the right man becomes available at what is considered the right price. Unless you’re signing the cheques I don’t think anyone can argue with that approach.
 
Spending money on a transfer fee is no real guarantee of success. I’d also suggest the initial expenditure was needed to essentially overhaul a squad. You could consider it a sort of infrastructure cost. Fairly significant initial outlay to put things right followed by smaller outlays to maintain it. On our budget, with our attendances you can’t possibly expect to run at a loss of £2million+, have £40million+ worth of training ground and stadium expenses in the pipeline AND also spend £1-2 million per year on players too. It’s completely unsustainable.
The moneys spent if needed and if the right man becomes available at what is considered the right price. Unless you’re signing the cheques I don’t think anyone can argue with that approach.
I totally agree in terms of the initial need for a squad overhaul and of course I wouldn't be expecting us to be signing as many players for a fee as was the case when Sadler took over.

I just find it a little odd that we have not only paid a fee for just 1 player in each of the last 3 transfer windows (when we have certainly needed to), but that this has coincided with selling our 2 most prized assets for several million pounds each. I don't expect the whole amount to be reinvested into the playing squad and of course the projects off the pitch are ultimately more important at the moment and are costing a significant amount, but it seems strange that we haven't at least reinvested a little more of the cash received for Bowler, Jerry and the Critchley compensation.

Let's hope for a couple of reinforcements before the end of the window, otherwise it's looking as though we simply don't have enough firepower to be competing for promotion, which would ultimately land Sadler and the club far more revenue next season than we would end up spending this summer on a couple of attacking talents.
 
Exactly, the squad looks weaker than last time we were at this level.

And you're bang on about offering these fees, we supposedly bid a million for Brannagan last summer, if this was genuinely true then once we failed to get him why didn't we bid a similar amount for an alternative? Or use that money to strengthen other positions?

Instead we brought in a bunch of loans and
paid only a couple of hundred thousand for Callum Wright, a player who not only failed to impress, but who didn't even want to be here.
Weaker than last time and the 2007 squad would piss all over this one - where's the Morrell's Burgess's, Parker's, Wes's?
 
Are transfer fees that much of a big thing in this division anymore?
If the figures are correct the whole of League 1 spent less than 5 million with approximately half of that amount at Ipswich and they get over 25k every game.

Wages and agents fees where your money goes.
 
Are transfer fees that much of a big thing in this division anymore?
If the figures are correct the whole of League 1 spent less than 5 million with approximately half of that amount at Ipswich and they get over 25k every game.

Wages and agents fees where your money goes.
If you want to add quality to your squad then you have to pay for it.

There will always be a scramble for the players available on a free but no club is going to sell a player under contract for peanuts. Take Moxon as an example.

Our budget is probably average in lg1 and so is our squad. Teams who can invest usually end up at the top.

From what I’ve seen so far we have a squad, thin on quality, that will battle away to a top half finish. With investment in one or two key areas then that would make the difference.

Offer more for Moxon - we either want him or we don’t.

Offer money for Nombe, Cosgrove, Clarke-Harris.

Maybe a tricky winger.

Sell Yates and sign 3/4 players to improve and profit from. Is that not the operating model?

The squad is chocker with average and uninspiring players right now. 2/3 players of quality in the right areas and we’ll go up.

I honestly think Sadler is risk-averse which is hard to fathom given his occupation. Invest in some players and reap the rewards, don’t and we’ll stagnate in lg1 and crowds will lower season on season.
 
Sadler has done us proud as far as I am concerned and the list of outlays demonstrates that.
He’s got a lot right and a lot wrong.

We’re all grateful to him for what he’s done and I’m sure he’ll be learning from his mistakes.

Mark my words - if we don’t invest some of the £5/6m on 2/3 players of quality then we won’t be going up.
 
He’s got a lot right and a lot wrong.

We’re all grateful to him for what he’s done and I’m sure he’ll be learning from his mistakes.

Mark my words - if we don’t invest some of the £5/6m on 2/3 players of quality then we won’t be going up.
We're not going to invest that much in transfer fees and maybe we wont be going up automatically. Its a lot to ask that he spends a lot on a gamble we get promoted.
 
My first post on here and it’s unfortunately a rant! I have seen some similar posts on here, but thought I’d throw my opinion out there also. It’s one that I have put off for a long time, always trying to give Sadler the benefit of the doubt, but after the last few games it now feels the right time. I appreciate everything Sadler has done so far and he’s clearly investing large sums off the pitch in both the East Stand and the Training Ground, but why does the investment on the field seems to have dried up over the past year or so? I've only included players below that we reportedly paid a fee for and all transfer fees I've used are rough estimates based on what I remember hearing at the time of the transfer, so feel free to let me know if any look wildly wrong!

It looks as though over £2m was spent in transfer fees between 2019 and 2021 before our promotion to the Championship, with the club paying fees for:

  • Hardie (£250K)
  • Nuttall (£500K)
  • MacDonald (£100K)
  • Thorniley (£200K)
  • Husband (£200K)
  • Howe (£100K)
  • Garrity (£50K)
  • Yates (£200K)
  • Hamilton (£200K)
  • Lubala (£300K)
  • Gretarsson (£150K)
After being promoted to the Championship, we also invested heavily and look to have spent just under £2m, with all these signings coming within our 1st season back at that level:

  • Gabriel (£750K)
  • Casey (£500K)
  • Lavery (£200K)
  • Carey (£150K)
  • Dale (£200K)
  • Beesley (£150K)
After staying up, however, we bought only 2 players last season. Why?

  • Thompson (£300K)
  • Lyons (£300K)
And after going down, there hasn’t been much investment either, with the only fee paid being for Norburn.

  • Norburn (£250K)

So why has the amount of players being bought for a fee fallen so much? In the time frame in which the amounts invested appear to have fallen, we’ve also sold Jerry and Bowler and received compensation for Critchley which at the time was reported to be almost seven figures. That leaves an amount of perhaps £6m. Of course, there is a huge loss to an owner when running a club, especially one such as ours where we aren’t getting 30 or 40 thousand fans along every week, and this money will likely be received across the next few years in instalments rather than all at once, but all of this additional income makes the fact that less money seems to have been spent on transfers than previously even more puzzling.

It’s very easy to blame both the players and Critchley for the fairly underwhelming start to the season, and Critchley certainly hasn’t helped the situation with his team selections, formations and dull brand of football, but there simply hasn’t been enough investment to compete at the top of the table in my view. How are we expecting to compete with the likes of Bolton, Derby and Portsmouth and achieve promotion when we’ve almost exclusively signed players for free?

I don’t think Morgan has done too badly for us so far, but it seemed a very strange signing after not even being offered a new deal by Charlton (a mid-table team last year). Oakley Boothe is another one, if he performed so well in pre-season, why did we wait until 2 weeks of the season had elapsed before signing him? The answer is simple, he’s received no other offers and we got desperate. He was also apparently largely unimpressive last year at Lincoln.

It has been obvious to us supporters for weeks that a striker should have been at the top of our shopping list, we’ve failed to sign one (excluding Joseph who is still on the treatment table while we throw points away due to our failure to create and take chances). Instead the midfield has been overloaded with bang average players, so why haven’t we invested in signing a couple of quality creative players and a striker? I don’t see why signing a further 2-3 players for six figure sums (say perhaps anywhere between £300k and £600k each) hasn’t happened, it doesn’t seem an unrealistic expectation.

What are everybody else’s thoughts on this? Am I missing something?
Welcome to the madhouse. Hmm, proper grammar and spelling so, nothing to to snipe at there. Right turning to your argument, you seem to have a point but I'll refrain from fully backing it until the window closes. As has been said by at least one other poster, we could be involved in some frantic business on deadline day.
 
If you want to add quality to your squad then you have to pay for it.

There will always be a scramble for the players available on a free but no club is going to sell a player under contract for peanuts. Take Moxon as an example.

Our budget is probably average in lg1 and so is our squad. Teams who can invest usually end up at the top.

From what I’ve seen so far we have a squad, thin on quality, that will battle away to a top half finish. With investment in one or two key areas then that would make the difference.

Offer more for Moxon - we either want him or we don’t.

Offer money for Nombe, Cosgrove, Clarke-Harris.

Maybe a tricky winger.

Sell Yates and sign 3/4 players to improve and profit from. Is that not the operating model?

The squad is chocker with average and uninspiring players right now. 2/3 players of quality in the right areas and we’ll go up.

I honestly think Sadler is risk-averse which is hard to fathom given his occupation. Invest in some players and reap the rewards, don’t and we’ll stagnate in lg1 and crowds will lower season on season.
Sadler has already said what he is prepared to put into the club every season 1-2 million year on year so I don't expect it to be blown on one player as to guaranteeing promotion with spending is utter nonsense.
 
If you want to add quality to your squad then you have to pay for it.

There will always be a scramble for the players available on a free but no club is going to sell a player under contract for peanuts. Take Moxon as an example.

Our budget is probably average in lg1 and so is our squad. Teams who can invest usually end up at the top.

From what I’ve seen so far we have a squad, thin on quality, that will battle away to a top half finish. With investment in one or two key areas then that would make the difference.

Offer more for Moxon - we either want him or we don’t.

Offer money for Nombe, Cosgrove, Clarke-Harris.

Maybe a tricky winger.

Sell Yates and sign 3/4 players to improve and profit from. Is that not the operating model?

The squad is chocker with average and uninspiring players right now. 2/3 players of quality in the right areas and we’ll go up.

I honestly think Sadler is risk-averse which is hard to fathom given his occupation. Invest in some players and reap the rewards, don’t and we’ll stagnate in lg1 and crowds will lower season on season.
I suspect Simon takes calculated risks. Investing in football players is toss of coin gambling. Very different to stocks and shares.
 
We are a league one club who occasionally flits with the league above and below we don’t have the fan base or money to be anything more sadlers doing his best we’re stable there is such thing as financial FairPlay to consider we can’t sign players for big money or else we’ll get in trouble it is not sustainable
 
You specifically said: "I’m putting it in simple terms".

You can't just ignore what was paid for Joseph, either directly, or in part-exchange, just because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Agenda?

We didn’t pay a penny. I understand from Oxfords local reporter they were quoted £1m for Joseph.

That’s what we will have ‘paid’. Signing a player with an injury is insane but that’s another story.
 
My first post on here and it’s unfortunately a rant! I have seen some similar posts on here, but thought I’d throw my opinion out there also. It’s one that I have put off for a long time, always trying to give Sadler the benefit of the doubt, but after the last few games it now feels the right time. I appreciate everything Sadler has done so far and he’s clearly investing large sums off the pitch in both the East Stand and the Training Ground, but why does the investment on the field seems to have dried up over the past year or so? I've only included players below that we reportedly paid a fee for and all transfer fees I've used are rough estimates based on what I remember hearing at the time of the transfer, so feel free to let me know if any look wildly wrong!

It looks as though over £2m was spent in transfer fees between 2019 and 2021 before our promotion to the Championship, with the club paying fees for:

  • Hardie (£250K)
  • Nuttall (£500K)
  • MacDonald (£100K)
  • Thorniley (£200K)
  • Husband (£200K)
  • Howe (£100K)
  • Garrity (£50K)
  • Yates (£200K)
  • Hamilton (£200K)
  • Lubala (£300K)
  • Gretarsson (£150K)
After being promoted to the Championship, we also invested heavily and look to have spent just under £2m, with all these signings coming within our 1st season back at that level:

  • Gabriel (£750K)
  • Casey (£500K)
  • Lavery (£200K)
  • Carey (£150K)
  • Dale (£200K)
  • Beesley (£150K)
After staying up, however, we bought only 2 players last season. Why?

  • Thompson (£300K)
  • Lyons (£300K)
And after going down, there hasn’t been much investment either, with the only fee paid being for Norburn.

  • Norburn (£250K)

So why has the amount of players being bought for a fee fallen so much? In the time frame in which the amounts invested appear to have fallen, we’ve also sold Jerry and Bowler and received compensation for Critchley which at the time was reported to be almost seven figures. That leaves an amount of perhaps £6m. Of course, there is a huge loss to an owner when running a club, especially one such as ours where we aren’t getting 30 or 40 thousand fans along every week, and this money will likely be received across the next few years in instalments rather than all at once, but all of this additional income makes the fact that less money seems to have been spent on transfers than previously even more puzzling.

It’s very easy to blame both the players and Critchley for the fairly underwhelming start to the season, and Critchley certainly hasn’t helped the situation with his team selections, formations and dull brand of football, but there simply hasn’t been enough investment to compete at the top of the table in my view. How are we expecting to compete with the likes of Bolton, Derby and Portsmouth and achieve promotion when we’ve almost exclusively signed players for free?

I don’t think Morgan has done too badly for us so far, but it seemed a very strange signing after not even being offered a new deal by Charlton (a mid-table team last year). Oakley Boothe is another one, if he performed so well in pre-season, why did we wait until 2 weeks of the season had elapsed before signing him? The answer is simple, he’s received no other offers and we got desperate. He was also apparently largely unimpressive last year at Lincoln.

It has been obvious to us supporters for weeks that a striker should have been at the top of our shopping list, we’ve failed to sign one (excluding Joseph who is still on the treatment table while we throw points away due to our failure to create and take chances). Instead the midfield has been overloaded with bang average players, so why haven’t we invested in signing a couple of quality creative players and a striker? I don’t see why signing a further 2-3 players for six figure sums (say perhaps anywhere between £300k and £600k each) hasn’t happened, it doesn’t seem an unrealistic expectation.

What are everybody else’s thoughts on this? Am I missing something?
Last summers recruitment was poor without a doubt. We faffed around with Cam Bran but triggered his release clause at £1m+ and there was also the Colby Bishop mystery. Ended up getting loads of loans in that would have been top dollar in wages. My point is the intention to spend was there but the execution was effectively a dogs dinner.

You could have at least waited until the end of this transfer window for this op tbh.
 
We are a league one club who occasionally flits with the league above and below we don’t have the fan base or money to be anything more sadlers doing his best we’re stable there is such thing as financial FairPlay to consider we can’t sign players for big money or else we’ll get in trouble it is not sustainable
Yes we can. It’s a balance. We’ve received conservatively £7m+

Is investing just 33% of that asking too much?

The answer is no. If the owner wants to pocket the cash that’s his want.

Surely success on the pitch is a number of things but investing part of the profit from player sales is crucial to how the club wants to be seen to operate.
 
Couple of points. The Joseph fee was undisclosed, but at the time, the club specifically said it was a seperate deal to Yates going the other way.
Our new CEO, can't remember his name, said in his last interview on R Lancs that we were amongst the top 6 budgets in the division, and that was the target.
 
Yes we can. It’s a balance. We’ve received conservatively £7m+

Is investing just 33% of that asking too much?

The answer is no. If the owner wants to pocket the cash that’s his want.

Surely success on the pitch is a number of things but investing part of the profit from player sales is crucial to how the club wants to be seen to operate.
Do you think the club operates sustainably?
 
I suspect Simon takes calculated risks. Investing in football players is toss of coin gambling. Very different to stocks and shares.
You invest in something in the expectation that their value increases and you profit.

That’s not as different as you think.
 
Do you think the club operates sustainably?
Do I think it does or do I think the owner runs it within parameters that he sees as affordable?

If the club is being run hoping that player sales keep the club sustainable without investing part of it then we have the wrong owner.

I think the club can be sustainable but speculation is required to move forward. He bought the club he must understand the requirements re funding a club looking to become a Championship club and sustain it.
 
Sadler has done us proud as far as I am concerned and the list of outlays demonstrates that.
In general, of course he's done us proud, and that initial list of outlays after taking control of the club are the reason why it's taken me so long before writing a post such as this one.

But the last 12-18 months have been dire in terms of both managerial appointments and recruitment and there is only so long that Sadler will be able to live off all the initial good work he did at the club if that sort of thing continues.

Of course I'm not expecting us to spend mega money, but signing 1 player for a fee in each of the last 3 transfer windows (granted this one is not quite over yet) just doesn't seem to stack up with his ambition of both staying in the Championship last year and aiming for an immediate return this year, especially when we have lost both our best players for big money during that time.

We have also been told on several occasions that when these sort of players were sold, not only would that cash be reinvested into the playing squad, but we would be signing players who would ideally make us more in the future than they cost in the present. The only players signed over the course of this summer where there is any chance of that happening are Morgan and Oakley-Boothe, who were not only both free transfers, but who failed to impress at their respective clubs last season (who both played at our current level in Charlton and Lincoln).

It just seems strange to me that there has been no signings similar to either Carey or Casey this year, i.e. nobody picked up from the lower leagues who is young and ready to make the step up, likewise nobody who has come through the academy of a much larger club than ourself, has shown promise and is now ready for a permanent move for regular playing time.

Of course I would love nothing more than for Sadler to prove me wrong and sign us a couple of talents who will hit the ground running and mean we start entertaining and scoring some goals, but I just can't see it personally. Perhaps another loan or two at a push, who will leave next summer and who we will once again have the tough task of replacing.
 
We are a league one club who occasionally flits with the league above and below we don’t have the fan base or money to be anything more sadlers doing his best we’re stable there is such thing as financial FairPlay to consider we can’t sign players for big money or else we’ll get in trouble it is not sustainable
Not once have I referred to "big money". £500k or so is not big money when we've sold Jerry alone for 5 times that amount.

Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all sit in the Premier League, small clubs can punch above their weight, we proved that ourselves 13 years back.

I'm not saying we should necessarily be splashing the cash as they may have, but we were told the business model was buy low and sell high, then reinvest those amounts into other players. That reinvestment doesn't seem to be taking place at the same rate anymore.
 
Last summers recruitment was poor without a doubt. We faffed around with Cam Bran but triggered his release clause at £1m+ and there was also the Colby Bishop mystery. Ended up getting loads of loans in that would have been top dollar in wages. My point is the intention to spend was there but the execution was effectively a dogs dinner.

You could have at least waited until the end of this transfer window for this op tbh.
I agree that the end of the window will give us a clearer picture, hopefully I'm proved wrong within the next fortnight!
 
I suspect Simon takes calculated risks. Investing in football players is toss of coin gambling. Very different to stocks and shares.
Nuttalls Mint Toes and AngelBFC

Do you return to a:
●a restaurant that served bad food?
●a shop that gave terrible service?
●a pub that pulled flat pints?

Many spend thousands home and away.
.
Stayaways helped remove the vile Oyscum.

Boycotts might have prevented the Grayson, Appleton and Critchley returns.

Now?

Season ticket buyers again lack agency.

Masochism.
 
You have a point. We didn’t go up automatically with Yates, Simms, Ballard, and a fit Stewart. Why would we get anywhere near with the present squad? The first 3 are now worth quite a few million. We do have a habit of not getting our big targets. It is easy to say we have offered a million and then forget to mention we have asked player to sign for far less than he could get elsewhere.
Very true but I'm hoping we haven't finished our business yet . . Simms and Ballard were loans so I'd hope we can recruit at least two of a similar calibre.

We probably need about 4 more players whether they are loans or signings who walk straight into the first team.
 
We are a league one club who occasionally flits with the league above and below we don’t have the fan base or money to be anything more sadlers doing his best we’re stable there is such thing as financial FairPlay to consider we can’t sign players for big money or else we’ll get in trouble it is not sustainable
I think you're limiting the potential of our reach there.
 
Nuttalls Mint Toes and AngelBFC

Do you return to a:
●a restaurant that served bad food?
●a shop that gave terrible service?
●a pub that pulled flat pints?

Many spend thousands home and away.
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Stayaways helped remove the vile Oyscum.

Boycotts might have prevented the Grayson, Appleton and Critchley returns.

Now?

Season ticket buyers again lack agency.

Masochism.
Stayaways didn't help remove the Oystons.
 
Not once have I referred to "big money". £500k or so is not big money when we've sold Jerry alone for 5 times that amount.

Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all sit in the Premier League, small clubs can punch above their weight, we proved that ourselves 13 years back.

I'm not saying we should necessarily be splashing the cash as they may have, but we were told the business model was buy low and sell high, then reinvest those amounts into other players. That reinvestment doesn't seem to be taking place at the same rate anymore.
Well you’ve answered your own question there then we have bought low with the intention to sell high but that turnover isn’t going to happen 4 games into the season you’ll just have to wait to see what develops
 
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