Why?

Chunkylad said:
First time round was good 👍
Last season - hit and miss. Some good signings and some crap ones.

We don’t know yet what next season will bring. It might be crap (sack manager) might be the same (not enough lessons learned), it might be amazing (lessons learned).

If you really don’t believe it can improve in any way then no point watching it or renewing the tickets. Save yourselves the pain and follow the Paulco boycott.

For me it’s a new season. Let’s see what that brings!!
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I’m more concerned by playing players out of position and ineffective tactics. No responsibility was taken.
 
Chunkylad said:
Also they were better options than the personal signings available.
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We got them because of injuries and because even before injuries we were weak. The gamble of bye to Yates getting the injured Joseph and the injury prone Lavery failed
Wizaard said:
Because we were short in those areas. We got them in the window, not when players got injured.
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use your brains Wiz. As you pointed out only two opportunities we got who we got because we lacked quality and players were injury prone. If Lavery and Joseph clicked do you think we’d have gone for Rhodes?
 
Theoneandonly said:
We got them because of injuries and because even before injuries we were weak. The gamble of bye to Yates getting the injured Joseph and the injury prone Lavery failed.
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Do you not think we would have signed Rhodes regardless of Joseph’s injury?

Coulson wasn’t due to an injury. He was a better option than Thompson who failed and Dale who wasn’t adept at tracking back.

We should always utilise the loan market as look at the amazing players we have had over the years Inc Sadlers tenure.
 
I’d only want to keep Marv from that list, most I’ve never heard of.
There will be more going too.
👍🏻 I’m all for it.
Maybe SS will sanction a few decent replacements. Cos we are gonna need a fair few in, plus loans.
We’ll hopefully get Rhodes and Coulson, who you have to say are an upgrade on Lavery and Virtue or Connolly…. maybe not like for like position but a first team upgrade.
Apter will hopefully slot in nicely too. Defensive players always seem plentiful so I’m not so concerned tbh.
I’m looking forward to all the rumours and subsequent news of new signings….. 😂
I’m not expecting us to be able to afford Byers, so maybe the loan market will be a huge help to us, covering any positions we need.
I just hope we get the right players for the right positions and then there’s no excuses if Critch can’t get it to work.
 
Chunkylad said:
Do you not think we would have signed Rhodes regardless of Joseph’s injury?

Coulson wasn’t due to an injury. He was a better option than Thompson who failed and Dale who wasn’t adept at tracking back.

We should always utilise the loan market as look at the amazing players we have had over the years Inc Sadlers tenure.
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No if Joseph and Lavery were scoring freely and no injuries I think we would have strengthened elsewhere. Of course we will always use the loan market we have done for years. Coulson was more a patch with some versatility who when settled proved at times that he might be better than what we had.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Look at the team

count, marv, Rhodes, coulson, Lavery, dembele et al. If you don’t call half your team a massive exodus I don’t know what is.
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Marv was in rotation, never nailed down a first team spot until the final third of the season. Rhodes was injured after christmas and pretty much did fuck all since then. Coulson and Dembele were both loans which we expect to go back to their parent clubs. (Coulson has since been linke dwith a permenant for around £400k) and Lavery wasn't a starter at all when Rhodes, Joseph and Beesley were fit.

Dont get me wrong, I'm dissapointed to see some players go like Marv, Lavery, Virtue, Martiette who i still think have something to offer, however our first 11 hardly remains impacted.
 
Chunkylad said:
There’s some total mystic meg prediction shit going on here today.

If we finish 1 place higher next season than this, then it is better than this season. Who knows what will happen over the summer? The recruits we get in, the loans we take and the overall blend.

The only thing I can predict is most of you will moan at signings before seeing them (there were some classics last season when we signed Dembele!).
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And even with Dembele we failed miserably playing some of the worst football a lot of us have ever encountered.

I admire your blind optimism but I think you are being incredibly naïve based upon our history of recruitment along with Critchley's one dimensional coaching
 
Theoneandonly said:
Don’t agree. Loanees should accentuate the team because of injuries. Improve the team if normally out of our range and have something to prove or to take a look at fit and finish prior to becoming a permanent
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Of course Loans should be better than players we could realistically sign … you can’t tell me you rather have for example (Jensen Weir, Charlie Kirk … players we could realistically sign) over players like Dembele? Sometimes we actually do sign really good loan players, DJ Campbell, Charlie Adam etc.
 
Macseasider said:
And even with Dembele we failed miserably playing some of the worst football a lot of us have ever encountered.

I admire your blind optimism but I think you are being incredibly naïve based upon our history of recruitment along with Critchley's one dimensional coaching
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Probably more hopeful than naive but I get your point.

Last season wasn’t great in way too many games. We had flashes (like Bolton, Portsmouth and Barnsley) where it looked good but mostly dour.

However anyone can change given enough desire to do so and my inspiration is Holloway who played crap defensive football until after getting sacked he had to try something new at Blackpool.

Most don’t expect Critch to change however he might just have to to save his skin
 
Theoneandonly said:
A complete waste of a season followed by a massive player exodus? As of now we don’t have an eleven capable of anything. Who is stopping the goals, creating the goals and scoring them for us? Critchley is right back at square one. Is there even a plan?
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Happens every summer,a clear out then a so called rebuild with mediocre players…..tiresome
 
Theoneandonly said:
Every team replaces six first team regulars each season? I don’t think so because that’s bad business. Two or three yes but not six.
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Most players at L1 level will be on 2-3 year contracts. If in best case they are on 3 year deals we are looking at replacing a third of the squad every summer. So 5-8 players need to be recruited every summer irrespective of loans.
 
Tangerinewookiee said:
Most players at L1 level will be on 2-3 year contracts. If in best case they are on 3 year deals we are looking at replacing a third of the squad every summer. So 5-8 players need to be recruited every summer irrespective of loans.
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Yes but you stagger contracts so that you have continuity and better leverage to deal.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
A Manager is only as good as his players, how much money is spent this coming season will determine how good a squad we have. Last season the squad was'nt good enough. Lets have some common sense see what the future holds' we might be surprised !
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Absolutely not. A manager’s value is determined by how well he utilizes his resources to reach and exceed if possible agreed upon measurable outcomes. Critchley didn’t achieve anything.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
That’s the point he’s making. If a squad of 21/22 players are on 2/3 year deals then if staggered around 6/7 should be out of contract each year.
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We’re a third division club we don’t do Europe. We don’t need a 22 player squad. You stagger so at max you are changing 3 of your 11. Anything more is bad management as it would be in any other industry.
 
Theoneandonly said:
We’re a third division club we don’t do Europe. We don’t need a 22 player squad. You stagger so at max you are changing 3 of your 11. Anything more is bad management as it would be in any other industry.
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I’m staggered that DD is allowing critchley to stagger on.
 
I think In this world of 7 subs and 11 on the pitch that squads might need to be bigger than 22 now. Not much more but you have to cover poor form and injuries or rely on the academy who mainly look a very long way off first team L1 (not even been on loan in the conference)
 
Do you see six changes in the first team a year at city or Liverpool? Continuity is important. At our level 22 is unneeded and dead money. Less players, more money - better quality.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Do you see six changes in the first team a year at city or Liverpool? Continuity is important. At our level 22 is unneeded and dead money. Less players, more money - better quality.
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We’re not even close to being in the same scenario though.

Our best players are there to be bought, our best players can be tempted away with much more money and we can’t really offer 5 year deals etc.

Liverpool and City don’t have the turnover we have because we’re not the dream destination for players - the only players they really move out are players that aren’t good enough for them.
 
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