Will Saldler look for investors ??

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Denbfc

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As much as we love him he doesn't have the cash to move us any further ( or does he?) No idea if this has been mentioned before ???
 
Denbfc said:
As much as we love him he doesn't have the cash to move us any further ( or does he?) No idea if this has been mentioned before ???
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I think we're taking the Brentford approach is it?

So we'll sell on players but reinvest the cash.

So let's say Bowler goes for 3 million.

He cost nowt, we could get 3 or 4 good players with that, of a level higher than some we've had.

Rinse and repeat and steadily move up the table and improve the squad.

So no I think thats what we're doing.
 
Mid-table in the Championship is probably about as far as we can get under a sustainable business model without gambling significantly. There are at least a dozen clubs with bigger stadiums, bigger fanbases, and more resources that are a more attractive proportion for the better players out there.
Sadler is no fool. Stability where we are currently with an occasional lucky season to flirt with the playoffs must be the plan, and invest in the infrastructure for long term security.
 
JJpool said:
I think we're taking the Brentford approach is it?

So we'll sell on players but reinvest the cash.

So let's say Bowler goes for 3 million.

He cost nowt, we could get 3 or 4 good players with that, of a level higher than some we've had.

Rinse and repeat and steadily move up the table and improve the squad.

So no I think thats what we're doing.
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Nothing like Brentford
 
Denbfc said:
As much as we love him he doesn't have the cash to move us any further ( or does he?) No idea if this has been mentioned before ???
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He's committed to putting £30M in over the next 3 years or so to fund the training ground and stadium redevelopment. No doubt he will have earmarked a budget for the ongoing costs of the club also. He clearly has a lot of money but has never said he'd be spending unsustainable, silly amounts on the club. The word sustainable is probably the key, why would we want him or anyone to spend huge amounts that club cannot afford?
 
JJpool said:
I think we're taking the Brentford approach is it?

So we'll sell on players but reinvest the cash.

So let's say Bowler goes for 3 million.

He cost nowt, we could get 3 or 4 good players with that, of a level higher than some we've had.

Rinse and repeat and steadily move up the table and improve the squad.

So no I think thats what we're doing.
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That's an approach I've ben advocating on here since McMahon (smaller numbers), but it should be part of a bigger approach, not on it's own.

There are players who will become available who will have no resale value, but will add enormously for some period, 1-2 seasons. They will cost. You need to snare those as well.
 
NewburyOne said:
He's committed to putting £30M in over the next 3 years or so to fund the training ground and stadium redevelopment. No doubt he will have earmarked a budget for the ongoing costs of the club also. He clearly has a lot of money but has never said he'd be spending unsustainable, silly amounts on the club. The word sustainable is probably the key, why would we want him or anyone to spend huge amounts that club cannot afford?
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Which begs the question: Is £30m too much money to pay for the TG? I doubt it will belong to BFC despite what's been said and realistically what could BFC do with it in terms of an asset- ripe for picking by a future dodgy owner?

Better to have it funded by a consortium with a 100 year guaranteed let to BFC and SS to use some of the money on the team.
 
NewburyOne said:
He's committed to putting £30M in over the next 3 years or so to fund the training ground and stadium redevelopment. No doubt he will have earmarked a budget for the ongoing costs of the club also. He clearly has a lot of money but has never said he'd be spending unsustainable, silly amounts on the club. The word sustainable is probably the key, why would we want him or anyone to spend huge amounts that club cannot afford?
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Because a lot on here want him to spunk every single penny the bloke has.

He's rich enough to buy the club and keep us going during Covid and put 30 million for infrastructure(which I expect will be a loan to avoid tax) but there then has to become a point where the playing side is self-sufficient and he's not having to keep us a float year on year making players rich for Championship football.

We as fans have to do our bit otherwise it won't work Sadler is rich but I don't believe he's in the same league as many owners.
 
fcblackpool said:
Which begs the question: Is £30m too much money to pay for the TG? I doubt it will belong to BFC despite what's been said and realistically what could BFC do with it in terms of an asset- ripe for picking by a future dodgy owner?

Better to have it funded by a consortium with a 100 year guaranteed let to BFC and SS to use some of the money on the team.
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30 million includes the new stand.
 
You don't buy a football club and not expect to fund it and Blackpool fc is worth considerably more now than when he bought it
 
fcblackpool said:
Which begs the question: Is £30m too much money to pay for the TG? I doubt it will belong to BFC despite what's been said and realistically what could BFC do with it in terms of an asset- ripe for picking by a future dodgy owner?

Better to have it funded by a consortium with a 100 year guaranteed let to BFC and SS to use some of the money on the team.
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The £30m is for both the TG and East Stand, I guess that is about £15M each and probably about the going rate given the increase in costs we are seeing at the moment.

I think people have twisted the 'no money' line, that simply isn't true or come from Sadler. All he said was we wouldn't be spending big money on transfer fees the next few seasons. I suspect we have a budget, one which will increase with the compensation for Critchley and the inevitable sale of Bowler.
 
Philbfctrois said:
You don't buy a football club and not expect to fund it and Blackpool fc is worth considerably more now than when he bought it
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Only because we got promoted and now a Championship side by Critch.😉

I wouldn't say it's worth a lot more if a new owner came in and had to commit to the 30 million+ projects that on top of the asking price it's lost money,building a new stand adds nothing to a clubs valuation.
 
NewburyOne said:
The £30m is for both the TG and East Stand, I guess that is about £15M each and probably about the going rate given the increase in costs we are seeing at the moment.

I think people have twisted the 'no money' line, that simply isn't true or come from Sadler. All he said was we wouldn't be spending big money on transfer fees the next few seasons. I suspect we have a budget, one which will increase with the compensation for Critchley and the inevitable sale of Bowler.
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I agree the no money may be overstated, probably is, but I've always said if you have one man then you are subject to the fortunes of that one man.
 
poolseasider said:
Only because we got promoted and now a Championship side by Critch.😉

I wouldn't say it's worth a lot more if a new owner came in and had to commit to the 30 million+ projects that on top of the asking price it's lost money,building a new stand adds nothing to a clubs valuation.
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Not really the purchase price was a bargain in football terms
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nothing like Brentford
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Brentford’s model was built on acquiring a foreign manager who tapped into the inexpensive player resources from Denmark to replenish his squad.

A similar model could work by tapping into another country’s resources such as Norway, Sweden, Finland or Iceland for example but it would need a manager who was respected in their country and knew those divisions well and scouted the best talent.
 
fcblackpool said:
That's an approach I've ben advocating on here since McMahon (smaller numbers), but it should be part of a bigger approach, not on it's own.

There are players who will become available who will have no resale value, but will add enormously for some period, 1-2 seasons. They will cost. You need to snare those as well.
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Bit like Keogh?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nothing like Brentford
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Sure it was mentioned as an example by the club.

Basically like many clubs do, selling best assets and reinvesting the money in a few slightly better players than we had before.

So instead of some league 2 players we've had, with 3m you could buy 3 good league 1 players.

Or maybe even 2 and use the money for big wages of a top loan player.

Many ways to do it, but as long as money is reinvested it can work over time.
 
poolseasider said:
Only because we got promoted and now a Championship side by Critch.😉

I wouldn't say it's worth a lot more if a new owner came in and had to commit to the 30 million+ projects that on top of the asking price it's lost money,building a new stand adds nothing to a clubs valuation.
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Its still worth more when that stands built, as the stadium is worth more if it comes to be sold.

Having spent the money to do it Salder won't be in profit though.

But if we were 10 million when he bought us, a mess and little assets etc.

What are we now? Double that or more?
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Brentford’s model was built on acquiring a foreign manager who tapped into the inexpensive player resources from Denmark to replenish his squad.

A similar model could work by tapping into another country’s resources such as Norway, Sweden, Finland or Iceland for example but it would need a manager who was respected in their country and knew those divisions well and scouted the best talent.
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Not since Brexit.
 
poolseasider said:
Only because we got promoted and now a Championship side by Critch.😉

I wouldn't say it's worth a lot more if a new owner came in and had to commit to the 30 million+ projects that on top of the asking price it's lost money,building a new stand adds nothing to a clubs valuation.
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Well it does in a way, as the increased capacity drives increased sales which in turn drive increased profitability which in turn drives up the business valuation
 
poolseasider said:
Only because we got promoted and now a Championship side by Critch.😉

I wouldn't say it's worth a lot more if a new owner came in and had to commit to the 30 million+ projects that on top of the asking price it's lost money,building a new stand adds nothing to a clubs valuation.
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Depends on what’s contained in that new stand. At present the club HAS to build a new stand as the safety certificate simply won’t be renewed again. Without the new stand the stadiums capacity and therefore the clubs potential income is significantly reduced and as such so is the clubs value. One the stand is built the clubs potential increases AND there is no need for any potential owners to finance such an undertaking and naturally the value increases.
If that stand also includes offices, apartments, gym, extended hotel, restaurants and corporate facilities etc (all of which bring in income 365 days of the year as opposed to 23+) then the value imcreases yet again. If the stand also increases overall capacity and the club can be shown to utilise that capacity (thus demonstrating greater potential) then value increases once more.

The new East will add significant value and provide increases revenue streams for the club over a much longer period than any investment in the playing squad can garantee (if there is any guarantee whatsoever)
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Depends on what’s contained in that new stand. At present the club HAS to build a new stand as the safety certificate simply won’t be renewed again. Without the new stand the stadiums capacity and therefore the clubs potential income is significantly reduced and as such so is the clubs value. One the stand is built the clubs potential increases AND there is no need for any potential owners to finance such an undertaking and naturally the value increases.
If that stand also includes offices, apartments, gym, extended hotel, restaurants and corporate facilities etc (all of which bring in income 365 days of the year as opposed to 23+) then the value imcreases yet again. If the stand also increases overall capacity and the club can be shown to utilise that capacity (thus demonstrating greater potential) then value increases once more.

The new East will add significant value and provide increases revenue streams for the club over a much longer period than any investment in the playing squad can garantee (if there is any guarantee whatsoever)
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I never heard of a club be valued because of the ground it needs one anyway just the potential cost of upgrades etc.

The current plan for the East(not set in stone)adds nothing as there keeping the capacity the same so we are still left with a ground not big enough for potential big gates.
 
poolseasider said:
Because a lot on here want him to spunk every single penny the bloke has.

He's rich enough to buy the club and keep us going during Covid and put 30 million for infrastructure(which I expect will be a loan to avoid tax) but there then has to become a point where the playing side is self-sufficient and he's not having to keep us a float year on year making players rich for Championship football.

We as fans have to do our bit otherwise it won't work Sadler is rich but I don't believe he's in the same league as many owners.
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spot on👍👍🧡
 
Sadler's plan, as stated in the fans meeting, is to keep us ticking along in our current position or thereabouts, until an opportunity arises, when we're close. At which point heavier investment will be put in place as necessary and we'll go for it.
In his financial realm he's known as a risk taker, but calculated risk, which is why he wants infrastructure in place as a firm foundation to build from.
 
poolseasider said:
Because a lot on here want him to spunk every single penny the bloke has.

He's rich enough to buy the club and keep us going during Covid and put 30 million for infrastructure(which I expect will be a loan to avoid tax) but there then has to become a point where the playing side is self-sufficient and he's not having to keep us a float year on year making players rich for Championship football.

We as fans have to do our bit otherwise it won't work Sadler is rich but I don't believe he's in the same league as many owners.
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Absolutely !
 
NewburyOne said:
All he said was we wouldn't be spending big money on transfer fees the next few seasons. I suspect we have a budget, one which will increase with the compensation for Critchley and the inevitable sale of Bowler.
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Agreed. It’s really just being sensible whilst we develop the club properly off the field. As we know from when our new stands went in, it generates momentum and our club is unrecognisable now compared to them, and could go on to another level again. If Brentford can compete in the Championshio and Premier League and then so can we.
 
clappers said:
Agreed. It’s really just being sensible whilst we develop the club properly off the field. As we know from when our new stands went in, it generates momentum and our club is unrecognisable now compared to them, and could go on to another level again. If Brentford can compete in the Championshio and Premier League and then so can we.
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Brentford are £120m in debt.
 
Denbfc said:
As much as we love him he doesn't have the cash to move us any further ( or does he?) No idea if this has been mentioned before ???
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I think he has more cash then you think, but is never going to p1ss it against the wall, steady growth with the aim to reach the Premiership.
He has lots of seriously wealthy contacts should he think it wise though
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Brentford’s model was built on acquiring a foreign manager who tapped into the inexpensive player resources from Denmark to replenish his squad
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Benham owns a club in Denmark where he honed the model he is using with Brentford. He has a background in sports betting and made his money identifying metrics undervalued by the bookies to find value. He is doing the same with football statistics to identify undervalued players. You can't say he hasn't proven to be adept at this when you look at the conveyor belt of players they've developed, particularly strikers.

Brentford also don't only buy to develop and sell, they identified Pontus Jansson as having qualities they needed, even though he wasn't the age profile they usually target. That worked out too.
 
Tango1953 said:
Benham owns a club in Denmark where he honed the model he is using with Brentford. He has a background in sports betting and made his money identifying metrics undervalued by the bookies to find value. He is doing the same with football statistics to identify undervalued players. You can't say he hasn't proven to be adept at this when you look at the conveyor belt of players they've developed, particularly strikers.

Brentford also don't only buy to develop and sell, they identified Pontus Jansson as having qualities they needed, even though he wasn't the age profile they usually target. That worked out too.
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Agreed. It’s a business model which works but the point is there is the same opportunity for someone else to do the same.
 
poolseasider said:
I never heard of a club be valued because of the ground it needs one anyway just the potential cost of upgrades etc.

The current plan for the East(not set in stone)adds nothing as there keeping the capacity the same so we are still left with a ground not big enough for potential big gates.
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Capacity will increase
 
NewburyOne said:
The £30m is for both the TG and East Stand, I guess that is about £15M each and probably about the going rate given the increase in costs we are seeing at the moment.

I think people have twisted the 'no money' line, that simply isn't true or come from Sadler. All he said was we wouldn't be spending big money on transfer fees the next few seasons. I suspect we have a budget, one which will increase with the compensation for Critchley and the inevitable sale of Bowler.
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Exactly this.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Brentford’s model was built on acquiring a foreign manager who tapped into the inexpensive player resources from Denmark to replenish his squad.

A similar model could work by tapping into another country’s resources such as Norway, Sweden, Finland or Iceland for example but it would need a manager who was respected in their country and knew those divisions well and scouted the best talent.
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Why couldn’t agents and or scouts be used for bringing in those type of players?

It’s not like we need to buy 10 players right now we only require 3 or 4 at most plus whatever loans we get
 
Not too sure he would want investors as it will either dilute his shareholding or put a debt against the club that will need to be serviced. Either way not necessarily desirable if it can be avoided.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nothing like Brentford
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I disagree, we are (and should) trying to be exactly like Brentford.

A lot of people like to point out that Brentford spent multi millions in the past few seasons that they were in the Championship from 2018/2019 to 2020/2021 and that we don't have that money to spend on players at all.

If estimates are correct they spent close to 40 million million during that time frame or just under 15 million per season.

It's true that we don't have that type of money to spend on players, but I also think looking at Brentford's last few seasons in the Championship before they were promoted to the Premier League doesn't paint the whole picture of their model and what we are trying to replicate. They didn't just get that money from their owner or in a vacuum, that money was built up over several years of good transfer business.

To fully appreciate and understand Brentford's model and what exactly we are trying to replicate, we should take a look at their transfer business during their first few seasons in the Championship.

Their first season back in the Championship in 2014-2015, they spent about 2,100,000 on transfers bringing in Andre Gray (500k), Moses Odubajo (1,000,000) and Scott Hogan (600k). The rest of the players they brought in were free agents and loans.

(2,100,000 was about the same amount of money we used or had at our disposal this past season...)

That very next Summer in 2015-2016, they sold Andre Gray (9,000,000) and Moses Odubajo (3,500,000), allowing them to increase their transfer budget significantly. Over the next three seasons they were able to spend much more than their initial budget of 2,100,000.

If estimates are accurate they were able to increase their budget to around 8,000,000 for the 15/16, 16/17, and 17/18 seasons.

During this time they were able to bring in Neal Maupay and Ollie Watkins for 1,800,000 each in 2017/2018, the following Summer in 2018/2019 they brought in Said Benrahma (3,000,000) and Ezri Konsa (2,500,000).

In the Summer of 2019-2020, Brentford sold Konsa (12,500,000), Watkins (28,000,000) and Benrahma (22,000,000)

I also didn't include any of the smaller fees received for players as well, but the point is that what Brentford did, and what we are trying to do, it didn't happen over night, it happened meticulously over the span of many years.

Brentford throughout this time had average league attendances of around 10,000 (very similar to us).

They are absolutely the model that we are trying to replicate.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
I disagree, we are (and should) trying to be exactly like Brentford.

A lot of people like to point out that Brentford spent multi millions in the past few seasons that they were in the Championship from 2018/2019 to 2020/2021 and that we don't have that money to spend on players at all.

If estimates are correct they spent close to 40 million million during that time frame or just under 15 million per season.

It's true that we don't have that type of money to spend on players, but I also think looking at Brentford's last few seasons in the Championship before they were promoted to the Premier League doesn't paint the whole picture of their model and what we are trying to replicate. They didn't just get that money from their owner or in a vacuum, that money was built up over several years of good transfer business.

To fully appreciate and understand Brentford's model and what exactly we are trying to replicate, we should take a look at their transfer business during their first few seasons in the Championship.

Their first season back in the Championship in 2014-2015, they spent about 2,100,000 on transfers bringing in Andre Gray (500k), Moses Odubajo (1,000,000) and Scott Hogan (600k). The rest of the players they brought in were free agents and loans.

(2,100,000 was about the same amount of money we used or had at our disposal this past season...)

That very next Summer in 2015-2016, they sold Andre Gray (9,000,000) and Moses Odubajo (3,500,000), allowing them to increase their transfer budget significantly. Over the next three seasons they were able to spend much more than their initial budget of 2,100,000.

If estimates are accurate they were able to increase their budget to around 8,000,000 for the 15/16, 16/17, and 17/18 seasons.

During this time they were able to bring in Neal Maupay and Ollie Watkins for 1,800,000 each in 2017/2018, the following Summer in 2018/2019 they brought in Said Benrahma (3,000,000) and Ezri Konsa (2,500,000).

In the Summer of 2019-2020, Brentford sold Konsa (12,500,000), Watkins (28,000,000) and Benrahma (22,000,000)

I also didn't include any of the smaller fees received for players as well, but the point is that what Brentford did, and what we are trying to do, it didn't happen over night, it happened meticulously over the span of many years.

Brentford throughout this time had average league attendances of around 10,000 (very similar to us).

They are absolutely the model that we are trying to replicate.
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Yep it won't be a like for like it'll be similar, the Blackpool way.

We're also at the start of that journey.

We haven't as of now sold anyone for big cash although we'll have Critchley compo.

If bowler goes for 3 million let's say, now we buy 3 decent players, a step above our usual.

Plus a few more calculated gambles at lesser amounts.

You then hope another or more of the players does well and sells again, maybe for more of you strike it right.

Then you go again.

Over time and many good transfers you can significantly build up beyond your budget.

But we are only at the beginning of that cycle.

If ever I trusted an owner to get proper cash for a player, SS has to be the guy to negotiate, although it's probably Ben on his behalf, but he'll be involved.

Not exactly going to let people go for cheap is he.
 
Denbfc said:
As much as we love him he doesn't have the cash to move us any further ( or does he?) No idea if this has been mentioned before ???
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Your assumption that SS doesn't have enough money may not be true.
How do you know how much money he has got?
Will he look for other potential investors.
 
CalderwoodCritchleyWon’t said:
Capacity will increase
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I'm sure the initial rumour was a 4,800 capacity stand. The current one is 5,000 so if this is the final plan then capacity will reduce by circa 200. If you mean that the segregation won't be as great so that we can actually use more seats then I get where you are coming from. But . . . it isn't an increase in capacity per se. Unless of course the new stand is going to be 7,500 to 10,000 (which I doubt).
 
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