Wokeness

Wizaard

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Taken from Twitter today in response to Grant Shapps' assertion that woke culture is to blame for the country's woes

I genuinely would like to explore just how the actual fuck the Tories have gotten to the point that being "woke" seems to be the one and only reason for the omniclusterfuck we're living through, so if you don't mind, can any proponent of the word woke please get back to me on the below.

1. Can you explain to me just how exactly "woke culture" has caused an increase in mortgage repayments by hundreds of pounds, squeezing already light wallets tighter than a ducks arse?

2. Or can you tell me how being "woke" has caused this country to be in a position that you're more likely to find a five pound note flying past you on the street than get a GP appointment or have a life changing surgery within weeks instead of years?

3. Do elucidate to us all how apparent "wokeness" has caused a housing crisis in which there are garden sheds that aren't even fit for habitation by a herd of cats being rented out for £1,350 a month in the North of London for humans to try and live in?

4. As things stand, millions of people are living in destitution across this country - a term that should not even be uttered in the sixth richest economy in the world, yet here we are. In your view, how has "wokeness" cause us to get to this point?

5. Last week, there were queues and queues of people standing in line for a damned dentist because the whole of the dental system in this country has collapsed faster than a plastic chair on a warm day when I try to settle my arse into it - please do tell me how it is that "wokeness" has contributed to this crisis?

6. Our rivers, streams and oceans are utterly flooded with human shit by water companies that are completely a law unto themselves, causing illness and a massive degradation of our natural environment - which "woke" decisions or policies have led us to this point??

7. This winter, we have seen children having to go to class in coats because schools can't afford to heat, we've seen patients presenting to A&E's with core temperatures of 33.5 degrees because they've had to choose between heating and eating, we've seen millions go hungry and we've seen another year of warm banks - just exactly how is it that "wokeness" has caused this utter ** dystopia we're living through at the moment?

8. Public services have been utterly cut to the bone and are now at the point of being pretty much non-existent - libraries are being closed, support programs are being shut down, adult social care is now nothing but a name, and our country is adrift with not a single safety net available for the most needy anymore - I ask again, how the fuck has "wokeness" been the cause of this?

9. We are living through scandal after scandal after scandal, all underpinned by the worst of governmental failures of transparency, integrity and accountability - from the Windrush Scandal to the Post Office Scandal, we're seeing people being failed, losing their livelihoods, losing their lives, losing their freedoms. How is any of this at the feet of the "woke"?

Is it possible that these systemic failures have absolutely sweet blue fuckall to do with "wokeness" and are rather more caused by fourteen years of being governed by a group of people who have nothing but their own self-interest at heart? Could it be that the very institutions that were supposed to protect and support us have been utterly destroyed by the Conservative Party - a party that is hellbent on nothing but winning an election, but then doing fuckall after they have their majority?

"Wokeness", is not the issue here, . You and your damned party who have been driving this country straight into the wall - again and again and again
 
That X account and response is exactly what Mr Shapps was hoping for.... Trump the same with his little ditty... it’s Labour and the Democrats elections to lose... Labours stance re the Rochdale saga not helpful...
 
That X account and response is exactly what Mr Shapps was hoping for.... Trump the same with his little ditty... it’s Labour and the Democrats elections to lose... Labours stance re the Rochdale saga not helpful...
Doesn't answer any of the questions of how woke is to blame though, and the whole culture wars thing is all they've got.

Totally agree re Rochdale, and the right wing press will continue to push that.
 
That X account and response is exactly what Mr Shapps was hoping for.... Trump the same with his little ditty... it’s Labour and the Democrats elections to lose... Labours stance re the Rochdale saga not helpful...
Daily Mail saying another Starmer U turn. This time its for ditching the Rochdale candidate.

Surely that's a good thing?
 
Doesn't answer any of the questions of how woke is to blame though, and the whole culture wars thing is all they've got.

Totally agree re Rochdale, and the right wing press will continue to push that.
That’s the point Wiz... where has Shapps or any of that lot blamed points 1-9 directly on woke?
If no one plays the game they can’t deflect and gain ground 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
That’s the point Wiz... where has Shapps or any of that lot blamed points 1-9 directly on woke?
If no one plays the game they can’t deflect and gain ground 🤷🏻‍♂️
They completely ignore points 1 to 9 and hope the public are gullible enough to be outraged by small boats and compulsory homosexuality.
 
The silent majority in the UK is the left, the right have always been deluded regarding this fact. The majority have always voted against them.
Which begets the question “ why then have there been more Tory governments since the end of WW2 …and if so who do the silent majority support?”
 
Which begets the question “ why then have there been more Tory governments since the end of WW2 …and if so who do the silent majority support?”
Its called the electoral system, 60 per cent plus voted fir progressive parties yet we got an 80 seat majority for that plank Johnson, its been like that since always.
 
Taken from Twitter today in response to Grant Shapps' assertion that woke culture is to blame for the country's woes

I genuinely would like to explore just how the actual fuck the Tories have gotten to the point that being "woke" seems to be the one and only reason for the omniclusterfuck we're living through, so if you don't mind, can any proponent of the word woke please get back to me on the below.

1. Can you explain to me just how exactly "woke culture" has caused an increase in mortgage repayments by hundreds of pounds, squeezing already light wallets tighter than a ducks arse?

2. Or can you tell me how being "woke" has caused this country to be in a position that you're more likely to find a five pound note flying past you on the street than get a GP appointment or have a life changing surgery within weeks instead of years?

3. Do elucidate to us all how apparent "wokeness" has caused a housing crisis in which there are garden sheds that aren't even fit for habitation by a herd of cats being rented out for £1,350 a month in the North of London for humans to try and live in?

4. As things stand, millions of people are living in destitution across this country - a term that should not even be uttered in the sixth richest economy in the world, yet here we are. In your view, how has "wokeness" cause us to get to this point?

5. Last week, there were queues and queues of people standing in line for a damned dentist because the whole of the dental system in this country has collapsed faster than a plastic chair on a warm day when I try to settle my arse into it - please do tell me how it is that "wokeness" has contributed to this crisis?

6. Our rivers, streams and oceans are utterly flooded with human shit by water companies that are completely a law unto themselves, causing illness and a massive degradation of our natural environment - which "woke" decisions or policies have led us to this point??

7. This winter, we have seen children having to go to class in coats because schools can't afford to heat, we've seen patients presenting to A&E's with core temperatures of 33.5 degrees because they've had to choose between heating and eating, we've seen millions go hungry and we've seen another year of warm banks - just exactly how is it that "wokeness" has caused this utter ** dystopia we're living through at the moment?

8. Public services have been utterly cut to the bone and are now at the point of being pretty much non-existent - libraries are being closed, support programs are being shut down, adult social care is now nothing but a name, and our country is adrift with not a single safety net available for the most needy anymore - I ask again, how the fuck has "wokeness" been the cause of this?

9. We are living through scandal after scandal after scandal, all underpinned by the worst of governmental failures of transparency, integrity and accountability - from the Windrush Scandal to the Post Office Scandal, we're seeing people being failed, losing their livelihoods, losing their lives, losing their freedoms. How is any of this at the feet of the "woke"?

Is it possible that these systemic failures have absolutely sweet blue fuckall to do with "wokeness" and are rather more caused by fourteen years of being governed by a group of people who have nothing but their own self-interest at heart? Could it be that the very institutions that were supposed to protect and support us have been utterly destroyed by the Conservative Party - a party that is hellbent on nothing but winning an election, but then doing fuckall after they have their majority?

"Wokeness", is not the issue here, . You and your damned party who have been driving this country straight into the wall - again and again and again
They've taking the UK down the toilet. Top post.
 
It is. New candidate to be announced.
Labour cannot replace Ali for this by-election. The candidates list closed some time ago. Labour has suspended Ali pending investigation. If he wins he must sit as an independent MP.

The Labour inquiry into his behaviour may take some time; they may readmit him to the party or they may expel him. Since it’s only a matter of months until the General Election, Labour may decide to stand another candidate against him then. But that risks splitting the vote if Ali is thought well of by his constituents.

It’s as likely as not that Labour will let a few months pass until the clamour has died down and then allow him back in.

That would be a mistake imho; having suspended him they should go through with expulsion - I think he is prejudiced and seems rather thick as well in believing conspiracy theories and then repeating them. Apparently there is more evidence of that waiting to come out.
 
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Anti Israel isn't always anti semitic.

The Arabs are a semitic race as are the Jews.

Israeli doesn't mean Jewish.
And supporting Zionism (believing that the Jewish people have a right to their own state) does not mean supporting the Israeli government in their suppression of Palestinians and their support for hard-right illegal settlers taking over Palestinian villages in the West Bank. There are many peaceful Israelis who deplore their government’s actions.
 
The silent majority in the UK is the left, the right have always been deluded regarding this fact. The majority have always voted against them.
Theres a curiousity here in that i think you are both right and wrong at the same time. Firstly a majority of the electorate dont vote against them, they just dont vote for right leaning parties / candidates, but because of inherent and systemic problems with the electoral system 30% of the electorate is often sufficient for a very strong majority in the house (and PR doesnt fix the issue).

I think truss was right when she said that there are many secret conservatives; in the UK even many on the left are quite conservative, particularly older people, who struggle with any social liberalism, particularly issues where rights are concerned, be it gender, or sex or even rights in connection with immigration and a general suspicion of anyone who isnt "English / British" whatever that may mean.

I also think that most people in the UK have a general support for social systems and institutions such as the NHS, but that support is somewhat abstract and is often only triggered when personal need or experience arises. Because the support is abstract, "right wing" moves to privatise these institutions can be quite easily sold to or foisted on a conservative public in the name of efficiency or financial expediency or as a means to saving the institution, with often xenophobic overtones. Also we have been sold (through the media and other channels) a conservative or more accurately an anti left, anti - socialist, pro capital, pro corporate, pro privatisation agenda for 50 years, including from Labour which i think has shifted british mentality a little rightwards, so that Labour as an institution cannot be overtly leftish (again, whatever that may mean) if it wants to gain power.

The "Right" better described as the; pro-corporate, libertarian, privatisation, low (corporate) tax, low wage, low opportunity promoting party and candidates, know they cannot sell their policies to any thinking individual, so the daftest of the woke arguments or the green arguments or the social justice arguments are straw-manned into the agenda, but it has been working for them so far.
 
Exactly. Always staggers me how we have people in this country (and on AVFTT) taking sides? They are as bad as each other and nothing to do with us. Leave them to it.
Except what happens/might happen in the Middle East very much affects us... just like Ukraine, Afghanistan etc. I agree about "taking sides" though... there is both reason and blame on both 😢
 
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