Would a more experienced manger/ coach ??

Tangerine Manc said:
Would a more experienced manger/ coach do better with this squad of players
yes or no
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Good question, as they are NC's signings of course - But Yes I think so.

If the club can afford it (which in current climate is a big if even for SS), I would retain NC as coach, but we need an experienced manager to take the club forward. Bowyer changed his tactics in the 2nd half, firstly to deal with the threat of CJ and secondly the big unit he brought on to ultimately take the points

I have seen little/no evidence of NC making reactive tactical changes so far, perhaps because he is a coach, not a manager?
 
I really want him to be given time to succeed, but feel he needs an experienced head alongside him. Whilst the margins of losing are mostly small, we just don't look like scoring, which puts a constant focus on the defensive errors.

He needs to learn how to win dirty
 
Undoubtedly in the short term.

Maybe, just maybe, given 6 months critchley might turn this squad into world beaters that romp the league, but this isn't youth exhibition football, its league one, and by then we'd be relegated so how long can we afford to wait and hope we turn a corner.

Worryingly reminiscent of the Riga revolution going flat, but with a couple of million spent on fees and wages rather than a couple of quid. Get the Oriol brothers, Joel Dielna and Francis Zoko back quick!
 
Well, Critley's tactics aren't working when we hardly create a chance. I believe that a more experienced manager could get more out of this squad. And playing players out of position (Husband is not a CB) is daft
 
Mick McCarthy would be my choice but I still think Critchley can turn this around.

Our defence is looking better but we need to get a settled back four that consists of players being played in their correct positions.
 
Its hard to say, I doubt Grayson would. Depends on the manager.
Are the players any better than they are showing? Possibly but we lack a goal threat and are a bit toothless at the moment
Disappointing result It was a pretty even game Charlton deserved it but didnt have loads of chances on target .
Are the Charlton side any better or worse than ours?
Perhaps a bit better they have Gunter a full welsh international & decent defenders. Attackers were quite lively and they had Aneke to bring on off the bench.


Eddie Howe may do?
 
Paul Cook , Cowley Brothers, Nigel Pearson to name a few out of work people who could definitely get us more organised & upward looking .....
 
I think the squad is too young, and I don't think it is balanced at all. I'm not sure a new manager would be that enthralled. I really want him to do well, but I am worried after that and the Ipswich games. I think SS may be over thinking things too much as well about what type of manager he wants. So, he (Critchley) needs to get some results fast or sadly he will be gone and I really didn't think that was going to happen. I bet Sadler is sitting there with his head in his hands now.
 
Hmm I don't know .. I still feel we've been left horribly exposed up front. Critchley's two mistakes over summer was believing in Nottingham and not dealing with the centre half issue and believing that Madine and Yates would do the business up front.
 
Nobody knows what would happen if we changed the manager and changing your manager twice a season isn't a serious option, as difficult as this present moment is for us. Critchley was a gamble and nobody should be turning a blind eye to the problems on the pitch. You can see the lack of leadership and experience and you can see the confidence starting to drain.

I do think there is collective responsibility though - Sadler chose this route, he appointed Mansford, Johnson was brought in to recruit players, Mansford recruited Critchley, after several experienced managers turned us down, let's not forget. I had mixed feelings about Critchley when he was appointed, I'm sure most did - good coaching pedigree, no senior competitive experience. The real world is a bit more difficult than our internet analysis version, to be fair to the club. We did try to appoint people with experience and got turned down several times. Mansford then tried to put a gloss on the process that didn't reflect what happened, making out there was a plan all along, which was not borne out by the various rejections we had, surely. I've always been wary of CEO types - I was a union branch sec! Often make things up as they go along and then do slick presentation to make it all look better than it is. But that's just my prejudice, no doubt. The logical thing to do was to appoint Critch as first team coach with a senior manager, even if that was as a mentor thing, rather than Critch as the main man, who then appoints his own coach. But Critch may well have not moved here under those circumstances, we don't know how it played out. we may well have had to accept his terms in order to get him.

I found last night really disappointing again. Stuff needs to change on the pitch. We need some experience out there, and we need to recruit a bit better. But it does need time too. We have an improving defence, and the midfield is evolving and is decent. We need a bit of experienced nous out there, driving the team and most of all, the attack is scarily impotent. We needed a better central striker, Yates and Madine are just not doing it. The service is poor but they do nowt when they get it. A good striker will make half chances into something, some of the time. where are the runs? I'm sure they'd both look better in different circumstances, but neither is looking a good signing really. If you splash out, like we did on these two, you need to do better. Who chose them? Let's hope Sarkic and Woodburn can give us something better. Let's move CJ around more, across the front 3. We really don't look like scoring, so we can't keep doing the same things.

Let's get our best players on the pitch. I do like the idea of at least trying 352, if Gretarsson is as good as we hope he will be, but I'm sceptical about the scouting. We have signed some good players, but some not so good too. At least 352 would enable us to attack on the flanks, and change the dynamic. Why not even try it during a game, if we need to? Last 20 minutes last night?

To try to balance that - we lost a player after 52 seconds, and we did pretty well after that, against 11 for 40 minutes. Charlton didn't threaten much. You almost wonder if we might have done better against 11 in the second half. Did we ease up a bit after their sending off? We have looked alright in some of the games this season - but there are vital ingredients missing. We have plenty of players to choose from so we do have options not yet tried, formation and personnel wise. Rochdale are doing better on a measly budget this season, hardly any signings of any note, better players lost. I expect we will finish above them, but we have created our own chaos.. Less is more. Too much choice makes things confusing.
 
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Dave62 said:
Good question, as they are NC's signings of course - But Yes I think so.

If the club can afford it (which in current climate is a big if even for SS), I would retain NC as coach, but we need an experienced manager to take the club forward. Bowyer changed his tactics in the 2nd half, firstly to deal with the threat of CJ and secondly the big unit he brought on to ultimately take the points

I have seen little/no evidence of NC making reactive tactical changes so far, perhaps because he is a coach, not a manager?
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My thoughts exactly. With Mr. Sadlers vision of a great academy producing good young footballers making the club self sufficient, it would be very short sighted getting rid of Critchley. Bring in an experienced league 1 manager, put Critchley in complete control of the coaching set up and the future would be a brilliant shade of tangerine.
 
Look how Bowyer changed the formation of his team at half time and his substitutions worked a lot better. I will give him another 10 games and hope he turns it around.
 
we need a manager who will get respect I dont think NC gets the respect. Keep NC as a coach with a manager who can man manage and instill belief in his players like ollie did and king billy. NC is trying to make players play a certain way.
you should play a system that suits players.
when you have kids who have been taught for years to play a certain way then you try to change them it doesnt work .
look at players such as D J Campbell was awesome for us playing in a system that suited him he then moves on and is mediocre. how many times have we all seen this square pegs round holes change the the holes to suit the players.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think the squad is too young, and I don't think it is balanced at all. I'm not sure a new manager would be that enthralled. I really want him to do well, but I am worried after that and the Ipswich games. I think SS may be over thinking things too much as well about what type of manager he wants. So, he (Critchley) needs to get some results fast or sadly he will be gone and I really didn't think that was going to happen. I bet Sadler is sitting there with his head in his hands now.
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Average age of starting line up was 26. Not too young, just not good enough, which is down to the recruitment team of Mansford, Johnson and Critchley.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think the squad is too young, and I don't think it is balanced at all. I'm not sure a new manager would be that enthralled. I really want him to do well, but I am worried after that and the Ipswich games. I think SS may be over thinking things too much as well about what type of manager he wants. So, he (Critchley) needs to get some results fast or sadly he will be gone and I really didn't think that was going to happen. I bet Sadler is sitting there with his head in his hands now.
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The squad does lack some experience and know-how. However, the average age of the most recent starting line up was 26, so not too young?
 
The Cowley brothers would sort Blackpool out in a flash. Promotion to the championship in 2022 with them in charge.

Two promotions at Lincoln, FA cup quarter final, checkatrade trophy, and sellout every week. They brought the city and county behind the club too. What isnt there to like?

They took over at Huddersfield when they were rock bottom and kept them up. They also took over at Huddersfield from a novice like Critchley.

As harsh as it may be on Critchley, he is clearly not up to the job and must go quickly.
 
62years&counting said:
Are you Karl? lol
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I honesty don’t see your point of view... and I am trying to be measured. You say this squad is amongst the worse you’ve seen in tangerine ?... but quite clearly they’re far from the worst players we’ve had in fact I’d struggle to name (loanees aside) a handful of better players from squads over the last 4/5 seasons.
You say they’re appalling signings but they’re not - most have been quite highly coveted signings most of which were met with excitement.

I see a squad which does lack a bit of experience but which has a lot of raw potential - which if you look at Critchleys credentials and history will hopefully be realised and unleashed given a bit of time.

Were you expecting immediate success ? Were you expecting us to go out and sign million pound players ? What would you have done and who would you have brought in we’re you Sadler or the Manager over the last 6 months ?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I honesty don’t see your point of view... and I am trying to be measured. You say this squad is amongst the worse you’ve seen in tangerine ?... but quite clearly they’re far from the worst players we’ve had in fact I’d struggle to name (loanees aside) a handful of better players from squads over the last 4/5 seasons.
You say they’re appalling signings but they’re not - most have been quite highly coveted signings most of which were met with excitement.

I see a squad which does lack a bit of experience but which has a lot of raw potential - which if you look at Critchleys credentials and history will hopefully be realised and unleashed given a bit of time.

Were you expecting immediate success ? Were you expecting us to go out and sign million pound players ? What would you have done and who would you have brought in we’re you Sadler or the Manager over the last 6 months ?
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I see a squad made up of mid 20's league2, out of contract and U21/23 players. Few, if any, seem equipped for league1football. Recruitment has been poor with a scattergun approach at times...do we need 3 rbs? do we need 3 lbs? An abundance of forward players not ideally suited to midfield, wing or striker roles. Fees paid for Yates and Lubala who look far removed from the level required.
I've had my say on Critchley several times...coaching talented, cream of the crop young players to play the Lpool way in no way has prepared him for coaching / managing at senior level. I hope results improve, and would be happy to eat humble pie if they do, but I'm far from hopeful.
 
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