2nd Ashes Test

PNENIL said:
No other way to call it but cheating. I'm just glad it wasn't England doing it.
Hopefully it will fire England up a bit.
Headingley and the Western terrace await the Australians. They will get awful stick and deserve every bit of it.
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The ball was live PNENIL.
 
Victorsponge said:
It's not cheating, but the Aussies have form for this sort of thing remember the underarm bowl against New Zealand, win at all costs is the Aussie way
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It is cheating, like Wizz says above it's the same as a team playing on with an injured player down, technically legal, but cheating.

The Aussies are and always have been, wankers.
 
No, scoring with a handball and getting away with it is cheating, not giving the ball back after it's been put out for an injured player and scoring is bad sportsmanship but legal.
 
straightatthewall said:
Disagree, it's the equivalent of a striker hanging out behind the keeper and waiting for him to roll the ball out and then sneak in for an open net. It's sneaky but we'd never be complaining if our player did it and scored.
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The key difference is that we wouldn't do it.
 
Mark_GT said:
When Hazlwood took Stokes' wicket he reminded me of that little ** Andy Moller after he stuck away the winning penalty in Euro 96. Some things you never forget 🤨
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Yep - another Aussie face you just want to slap.

He's just a poor version of Tom Bailey.
 
Wizaard said:
I remember us doing it against Gillingham and Peter Taylor going absolutely berserk in front of me in the West Paddock, demanding the ref disallow it.
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We scored from a throw in we should have given back against Leicester in our first game back in the championship. But that's OK apparently.
 
What’s frustrating about these first two tests if that ever shot our selves in the foot and given them a 2-0 lead, when really they’re not that good barring making better decisions at crucial times in games.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
What’s frustrating about these first two tests if that ever shot our selves in the foot and given them a 2-0 lead, when really they’re not that good barring making better decisions at crucial times in games.
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You're right, we've just had a few moments of madness and it's cost us, hopefully the cheating twats have poked the bear now and we're going North next.

I doubt any of the Australians hung around after that, pretending to threaten old men in blazers like the flat track bully wankers they are is about their level, I imagine they gave Stokes, Bairstow and McCullum a wide birth.
 
straightatthewall said:
Disagree, it's the equivalent of a striker hanging out behind the keeper and waiting for him to roll the ball out and then sneak in for an open net. It's sneaky but we'd never be complaining if our player did it and scored.
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Spot on mate….if our keeper had done it it would have been quick thinking having observed Bairstow wander off a Few times previously…..Winners win, simple as that …making excuses just screams of a losing mentality…..I don’t mean the Team btw, I mean us lot
 
They won't win at Headingly, it'll be horrible for the cheating fuckers. Let Wood loose on them, he bowls quicker than Cummings and Starc. Fuckin' knobheads.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Spot on mate….if our keeper had done it it would have been quick thinking having observed Bairstow wander off a Few times previously…..Winners win, simple as that …making excuses just screams of a losing mentality…..I don’t mean the Team btw, I mean us lot
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I believe you are both wrong here, though maybe that's because it's what I'd like to believe is a difference between our threshold for what is acceptable and theirs. Stokes was clear though in both his post match interviews. If we do get a chance to pull a fast one in return I really hope we don't do so.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You're right, we've just had a few moments of madness and it's cost us, hopefully the cheating twats have poked the bear now and we're going North next.

I doubt any of the Australians hung around after that, pretending to threaten old men in blazers like the flat track bully wankers they are is about their level, I imagine they gave Stokes, Bairstow and McCullum a wide birth.
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Yep, got to hope they’re really fired up now - they know they can bat against their best bowlers, and with a few of our own bowling changes and a baying northern crowd, let’s hope we get the win and the momentum to win the next three. Not sure I’ve wanted to beat the Aussies as much as I do now.
 
Mark_GT said:
I believe you are both wrong here, though maybe that's because it's what I'd like to believe is a difference between our threshold for what is acceptable and theirs. Stokes was clear though in both his post match interviews. If we do get a chance to pull a fast one in return I really hope we don't do so.
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It's been said that Bairstow does exactly what Carey did quite a lot.
 
Victorsponge said:
Nope, it's not. Your just being a big jessie because we lost.
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I'm in complete agreement with you on this. Because it's 'not the English way' (supposedly...), when a sporting episode such as the one involving Bairstow occurs, various figures immediately start getting on their high horse, pontificating on how "it goes against the spirit of the game", and such guff. Top-flight sport is all about winning. And, I'm sorry, but that's precisely what the Aussies did, and all credit to them.

When you're competing at the top level of any discipline, it's all about 'fine margins'. The days of the Corinthian spirit are long gone. Yes, whatever sport you participate in, abide by the rules at all times, and respect your opponents. But the elements of ruthlessness and competitiveness, both of which the Aussies had in abundance in the second Test, are such key ingredients in contemporary sport, penalising individuals for displaying such qualities would be a truly retrograde step, in my opinion. Basically, because the very essence of modern-day sport would be seriously jeopardized by such an unwelcome development.
 
I’ve just watched it back a few times, the ball went through to Carey, Bairstow put is bat behind the line and walked up the pitch whilst the umpire was handing a cap back to the bowler whilst Carey through the stumps down. For me, that was a dead ball and should never have been given out, I’ve never seen that happen before so for them to say Bairstow does that to them is utte bullshit. They’re a ** horrible lot and I hope we stuff them.

I do think Bairstow shouldn’t be playing though, Foakes should, how can you leave or the best keeper in world cricket and one who will score plenty of runs. If Pope can’t play in the next test then put Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3 and Foakes at 7.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I’ve just watched it back a few times, the ball went through to Carey, Bairstow put is bat behind the line and walked up the pitch whilst the umpire was handing a cap back to the bowler whilst Carey through the stumps down. For me, that was a dead ball and should never have been given out, I’ve never seen that happen before so for them to say Bairstow does that to them is utte bullshit. They’re a ** horrible lot and I hope we stuff them.

I do think Bairstow shouldn’t be playing though, Foakes should, how can you leave or the best keeper in world cricket and one who will score plenty of runs. If Pope can’t play in the next test then put Bairstow at 4 and Root at 3 and Foakes at 7.
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Herts

What the Aussies did was not cricket but Bairstow DID NOT ground his bat, just watch it back one more time and you will see that's not up for debate.

Bairstow was not trying to gain an advantage and they should have withdrawn their appeal but the umpire had not called over and is only there to apply the official rules.

I guess the Aussies could argue that Bairstow could have run if Carey had missed the stumps but he just wasn't looking to do that.

I was only here to say that he didn't ground his bat and you and MAC need to go to Specsavers.

In other news, I was speaking to Foakes this week and if he doesn't get a knock at some point in this current series he's going to sack you and get a new agent.

A bit harsh that if you ask me, you are doing all you can and you've even used the controversial dismissal of Bairstow to get another plug in.
 
You've got to laugh at the Aussies complaining about the reaction in the long room. What did they expect - for everyone to clap them off after what they did? Yes, it was legal. But I think it's in their nature to do something underhanded when they're put under pressure and because of that, they really don't command the respect that a good team such as themselves should. You'd think the reaction of the crowd would tell them something, but they'll continue to do things like this again and again as they can't help themselves. I'm afraid I can't and never will have any respect for Australia, which is a shame because they produce some fine cricketers and they really don't need to resort to these kind of tactics to win games.
 
BFC_53 said:
You've got to laugh at the Aussies complaining about the reaction in the long room. What did they expect - for everyone to clap them off after what they did? Yes, it was legal. But I think it's in their nature to do something underhanded when they're put under pressure and because of that, they really don't command the respect that a good team such as themselves should. You'd think the reaction of the crowd would tell them something, but they'll continue to do things like this again and again as they can't help themselves. I'm afraid I can't and never will have any respect for Australia, which is a shame because they produce some fine cricketers and they really don't need to resort to these kind of tactics to win games.
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Yep, legal but not the done thing and very poor form from the Aussies.

Would England have done the same thing ?

I genuinely don't know and when I say would they have done the same thing, I mean what would they have with the game on a knife edge, I wouldn't be interested in any instances when they have withdrawn an appeal when they had a side at 27/7 chasing 450 in the final innings.

I guess what England would - or wouldn't - have done does not change the poor actions of the Aussies but what do we think England would have done if the same thing had happened in reverse ?
 
I see the MCC suspended three of it's members - must have threatened to 'knock your block off' what what!
 
I think Stokes would have reversed the appeal. Root wouldn't have. Don't think Strauss would either. Atherton no chance; he's just as bad with open cheating.

That incident doesn't happen and Stokes is out for a fairly timid 67. It fired him up. Bairstow would have thrown his wicket away anyway.
 
When Broad told Carey that what he did would be all he was remembered for, a lot of the Aussies replied on twitter saying that's rich coming from the guy who didn't walk when caught out. They don't seem to realise they're proving his point.

If this is how they want to play, fine. But don't whinge about being given grief for it from fans, and don't think it'll be forgotten about because it won't. I don't expect they'll care, but neither do I care that they've been given abuse for it. The reaction at Lord's is nothing compared to what they're walking into at Headingley and OT.
 
I think the entire situation is extremely simple and I don't understand why it's causing such a big hurrah?

Bairstow was out.
It went completely against the spirit of cricket.
Hence why they are cunts for trying to use unconventional ways to get wickets.
Bairstow did it a few days ago purely because Warner and co are batting a foot OUTSIDE of their crease and therefore gaining an advantage. Bairstow did that to get them to move back towards their crease.

There has been so many THICK takes of this situation from people on social media. Professionals and most of all from the English pundits. It was shocking.

But the Australians have set a standard here, whenever there is an opportunity to let the rules of the game override the spirit of the game, we know what will happen going forward.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Yep, legal but not the done thing and very poor form from the Aussies.

Would England have done the same thing ?

I genuinely don't know and when I say would they have done the same thing, I mean what would they have with the game on a knife edge, I wouldn't be interested in any instances when they have withdrawn an appeal when they had a side at 27/7 chasing 450 in the final innings.

I guess what England would - or wouldn't - have done does not change the poor actions of the Aussies but what do we think England would have done if the same thing had happened in reverse ?
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I suppose it comes down to the indidviduals - from both sides - actively involved in events as they unfold at the time. But let's be honest here, because, face it, historically speaking, we all know the Aussies have got 'form' for such gamesmanship (for want of a better term), and so players from opposing sides should be religiously guarding against the possibility of demonstrations of this rather unsavoury trait AT ALL TIMES. And, I'm sorry to have to say, and as much as I admire him, in this particular instance this was something Bairstow patently failed to do.
 
tarantula said:
I suppose it comes down to the indidviduals - from both sides - actively involved in events as they unfold at the time. But let's be honest here, because, face it, historically speaking, we all know the Aussies have got 'form' for such gamesmanship (for want of a better term), and so players from opposing sides should be religiously guarding against the possibility of demonstrations of this rather unsavoury trait AT ALL TIMES. And, I'm sorry to have to say, and as much as I admire him, in this particular instance this was something Bairstow patently failed to do.
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Australia do have form for it, perhaps they should take down their series when Langer was coach about playing the game fairly and in the right spirit because they threw that out of the window yesterday. Even if England had 400 to chase.
 
We aren't angels and have been involved in controversy, but I think the difference is that it's been one or two individuals for us over the years. I'd put money on any Australian doing the same thing as Carey yesterday - it's in their nature. It's like their default position - they actually can't help themselves, especially when put under a bit of pressure. They'd rather do something underhand and sly, and sometimes pre-planned cheating, than risk losing. I'm not a fan of win at all costs, I'm a fan of winning because you're the better team. Ironically, they are the better team and needn't do stuff like this which to me just shows they can't help themselves.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I guess the Aussies could argue that Bai
I was only here to say that he didn't ground his bat and you and MAC need to go to Specsavers.
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Eh? I haven't offered any opinion on the incident at all. It's out I guess but shithousery of epic proportions. One day the Aussies might win a test without any controversy.
 
Best tweet I saw was that the Lords long room had suddenly become Millwall away for the aussies.
 
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