Moxon

Nobody knows Carlisle's valuation, it's all guess work based on their fans opinions and that of everyone's favourite Billy Bullshit, Alan Nixon, if we want him bad enough we'll do a deal.

The usual d&g merchants are pointing to his past career but there's dozens of examples of late developers (Brett Ormerod as an example) Moxon would, from the limited bits ive seen, be an upgrade on Virtue and Dougall, but ultimately opinions in here are futile, it's what the head coach and the Sporting director think (and whether it remains in budget) that will say in the end whether we do a deal.
 
Nobody knows Carlisle's valuation, it's all guess work based on their fans opinions and that of everyone's favourite Billy Bullshit, Alan Nixon, if we want him bad enough we'll do a deal.

The usual d&g merchants are pointing to his past career but there's dozens of examples of late developers (Brett Ormerod as an example) Moxon would, from the limited bits ive seen, be an upgrade on Virtue and Dougall, but ultimately opinions in here are futile, it's what the head coach and the Sporting director think (and whether it remains in budget) that will say in the end whether we do a deal.
Exactly this, plus it's called negotiating. Buyer offers low, seller asks for high, invariably a deal is struck somewhere in the middle. Ultimately it's largely down to the player also, he's a local lad so does he actually fancy the move? Financially we will offer more and realistically we offer a greater chance of achieving Championship football.
 
There's a lot of commentary about him being a lower league player, but it doesn't mean he's not up to playing higher just he hasn't had the opportunity yet. We've had loads of success with players who've only played at lower levels - Marv, Jerry, GTF, Baptistery, Brett and all the way back to Tommy Hutch and Tony Green.
 
Have a feeling this one will largely depend on whether or not Virtue leaves.

If he does go to the reported 200k to Wrexham than all of a sudden Carlisle’s (reported) asking price of 750k-900k doesn’t look too expensive.

Who knows though, Carlisle seem to be downplaying the news.
 
Have a feeling this one will largely depend on whether or not Virtue leaves.

If he does go to the reported 200k to Wrexham than all of a sudden Carlisle’s (reported) asking price of 750k-900k doesn’t look too expensive.

Who knows though, Carlisle seem to be downplaying the news.
So we're allegedly selling a player of similar age, with Championship and L1 experience, for £200,000, but £900,000 for a player who's spent most of his career in Scottish L2 isn't expensive?

I think you've got that the wrong way round.
 
So we're allegedly selling a player of similar age, with Championship and L1 experience, for £200,000, but £900,000 for a player who's spent most of his career in Scottish L2 isn't expensive?

I think you've got that the wrong way round.
The difference is Virtue has experience at those levels but without really pulling up any trees or being a standout player in the teams he has played in. Moxon has just been judged to be one of the best players in L2 so is more highly sought after
 
So we're allegedly selling a player of similar age, with Championship and L1 experience, for £200,000, but £900,000 for a player who's spent most of his career in Scottish L2 isn't expensive?

I think you've got that the wrong way round.
No, I have that right.

Where a player played isn’t the best indicator of their ability.

Moxon was easily the best player in League 2 last year in what was his 1st real season in professional football, which tells me 1) He’s already more than good enough to contribute and make us better 2) Still has potential to improve.

Virtue is decent and has solid experience and I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping him, but if the opportunity is there to swap him out for Moxon for only a couple hundred thousand pounds we’d be fools not to.

Maybe I’m overrating Moxon based off of one season, but I don’t think Matty Virtue gets a goal involvement every other game from midfield like Moxon did in League 2.
 
The difference is Virtue has experience at those levels but without really pulling up any trees or being a standout player in the teams he has played in. Moxon has just been judged to be one of the best players in L2 so is more highly sought after
It's top money for a player who's never played above L2 though, that usually only gets paid for someone in their early twenties with room to progress, and the fact he's in the final year of his contract counts against his value as well.

I guess we'll have to wait and see where he goes, maybe a Championship club will be in for him, and maybe they'll get what they want, but I wouldn't bank on it.
 
If this happens, then fantastic. You have to trust the recruiters and they've had a good start with Norbury and Pennington.

That all adds up to quite a bit of investment which does beg the question of why not this time last year?
Appleton had no realistic player targets and didn't want targets identified by recuitment team. Hence we ended up going down the expensive, short-term loan route.
 
His value on TransferMarkt is 400k.

With 1 year left on his contract and no sign of renewing surely 500k is enough to get him?

That is unless they value a full season of him in League 1 as more worth more than 500k (which it might to them if he helps keep them up).

Adding him would put us at exactly 3 attacking midfielders (Morgan, Carey, Moxon) and 3 holding midfielders (Trybull, Norburn, Dougall).

That’d be outstanding depth in midfield for this season.
Ah but he's not injured so no chance of signing him! 🤷🤣
 
I’m heartbroken 😂

Seems clear that we opened up with a lower offer to begin negotiations, their agent leaks that the bids been made while knowing that they’re in contract negotiations, pressure gets put on Carlisle to offer what the player and agent want, the agent and player get what they want.

They’ll probably announce an extension before the beginning of the season.

Annoying, but we move on.
 
There’s a surprise, he’s in talks to sign a new deal with them and along we come (no doubt encouraged by his agent) to show an interest which will strengthen there hand at the negotiating table with Carlisle.
Tell him to either put in a transfer request or we just pull out all together.
A real stumbling block is the fact he’s a Carlisle supporter himself, he won’t want to force a move and leave on a bad note!
 
Also after watching most of the turgid play off final between Carlisle & Stockport … the only thing that stood out was the amount of empty seats not anyone on the pitch
 
I hope if we've learned anything from the Brannagan saga is that we must move on from these things quickly. I have no doubt that we'd be able to offer him more money than Carlisle will, but if they don't want to sell then that's that. The other question is while we could offer him more, would we want to at the expense of other positions. I'd say we have a top six midfield already, and while we shouldn't pass up on opportunities to improve, it can't be at the expense of weaker areas of the team.
 
While I like what I've seen and heard about Moxon but can we afford to spend £500K-£800K on another midfieder and still be able strengthen other areas where needed?
 
Brannagan written all over this deal, Carlisle unwilling to send out the wrong message to supporters by selling star player to a league rival on eve of the season and a supposed equal in terms of size and stature. I know if we sold say Big Marv to Carlisle how would that go down?. Move on....
 
Some interesting responses on here , also some interesting comments from Carlisle fans as well .
Answers :
-Yes carlisle are in a lot of Debt but also have a very healthy bank balance (although debt is serious issues +that money is kept in case of another flood.)
-Carlisle has been running at profit for the last 3 years and are expecting for to for a 4th year
-The debt was mainly generated before we appointed the current CEO who reformed the finances of the club (quite well)
-Overall we are in debt , although less than a most clubs which is more a sign of the issue accross the EFL
-we are needing a new stadium/redevelopment and training facilities
-Guy played for yous 3 years ago , and has had over 125+ games since then to develop (although Moxon is streets ahead )
As for Carlisle fans points
-He's an excellent but 900k is about right with contract , age etc
-Also notes on the empty stadium at Wembley, sadly the EFL have to take a lot of responsibility for that , putting kick of time at 1pm on a Sunday for 2 northern teams , Their was no public transport that got you from Cumbria to Wembley on the day (Sky wanted it being an Early kick off)
-Carlisle fans who think we're bigger than Blackpool are being ridiculous.

We all know not for sale is a lie , every player is for sale just at the right price.

 
Some interesting responses on here , also some interesting comments from Carlisle fans as well .
Answers :
-Yes carlisle are in a lot of Debt but also have a very healthy bank balance (although debt is serious issues +that money is kept in case of another flood.)
-Carlisle has been running at profit for the last 3 years and are expecting for to for a 4th year
-The debt was mainly generated before we appointed the current CEO who reformed the finances of the club (quite well)
-Overall we are in debt , although less than a most clubs which is more a sign of the issue accross the EFL
-we are needing a new stadium/redevelopment and training facilities
-Guy played for yous 3 years ago , and has had over 125+ games since then to develop (although Moxon is streets ahead )
As for Carlisle fans points
-He's an excellent but 900k is about right with contract , age etc
-Also notes on the empty stadium at Wembley, sadly the EFL have to take a lot of responsibility for that , putting kick of time at 1pm on a Sunday for 2 northern teams , Their was no public transport that got you from Cumbria to Wembley on the day (Sky wanted it being an Early kick off)
-Carlisle fans who think we're bigger than Blackpool are being ridiculous.

We all know not for sale is a lie , every player is for sale just at the right price.

I think the idea that a player who has only spent a season in league 2, with a year left on his contract, being worth 900k is ludicrous. He‘s worth that much to the fans because of the emotional attachment, but it’s a figure that isn’t based on reality.

We had similar valuations from our fans for Jerry Yates, some people valuing him at 10m!!! 🤦‍♂️
 
There’s a surprise, he’s in talks to sign a new deal with them and along we come (no doubt encouraged by his agent) to show an interest which will strengthen there hand at the negotiating table with Carlisle.
Tell him to either put in a transfer request or we just pull out all together.
Thought the same, we've possibly been played!
 
I think theres an offer on the table for Virtue, the club have to decide whether to accept it hence the move for Moxon. Do we need Moxon I’m not sure. Not at 750.000. I agree another goal scorer would be paramount for our next move IMO
 
I think the idea that a player who has only spent a season in league 2, with a year left on his contract, being worth 900k is ludicrous. He‘s worth that much to the fans because of the emotional attachment, but it’s a figure that isn’t based on reality.

We had similar valuations from our fans for Jerry Yates, some people valuing him at 10m!!! 🤦‍♂️
Yeah agree he's not worth £900k, not a chance. His value to Carlisle maybe, but not worth it to everyone else. Which is why he probably won't be sold. We sold the 7th highest championship goalscorer with two years left on his contract for £2.5m, so a player with one year left who hasn't ever played above league two is around £500k absolute max, and I wouldn't have wanted us to go any higher really.
 
Norburn Trybull Dougall Carey & Morgan, I don’t feel we’ve mist out on anything. I’m sure he has a lot of potential but it’s no loss for us. There are players on free transfers who we can trial etc Would we have gone after him but for Wrexham interest in Virtue ? If we want to invest 3/400.000 in a player then experienced striker has to be more beneficial for the squad of players we have surely.
 
Personally I would pay as he’s worth it. The money we are talking about will not secure a decent striker so the loan market will have to be used to bolster the forward line. Moxon will provide ammunition for any strikers so it will pay off.
 
His value on TransferMarkt is 400k.

With 1 year left on his contract and no sign of renewing surely 500k is enough to get him?

That is unless they value a full season of him in League 1 as more worth more than 500k (which it might to them if he helps keep them up).

Adding him would put us at exactly 3 attacking midfielders (Morgan, Carey, Moxon) and 3 holding midfielders (Trybull, Norburn, Dougall).

That’d be outstanding depth in midfield for this season.
He’s not a Rolls Royce of a player yet he has potential SS will offer so much if we get him fine if not it doesn’t matter, we move on with the players we have available I don’t see any concern for us. A midfielder with good close control who can move the ball on is to be identified Oakley Boothe might be the guy we’ll see.
 
anything more than 350k for a lad who has never stepped foot out of L2 is madness.

By their definition Kenny Dougall (hundreds of Championship games and 2 goals in L1 play off final) must be worth £5m
 
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