Moxon

bollieboy said:
No, we didn't. Started off 4-3-3 which didn't work well but then reverted to 4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1. Flexibility is the key.

Regarding goalscoreres we had Jerry on 23, Simms on 10, Madine on 8 and Kaikai on 7. Someone who can net 20 goals would be great but more likely someone who can get 10 goals or so would be fine. At the end of the day we don't know how Joseph and Beesley will fair - if they can bag 15 goals each then we will be getting enough goals from the strikers - I am pretty confident Lavery will be around 20 mark if he can stay fit.
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Sounds like we might not see Joseph for a long time. And both Lav and Bees have missed a lot of the last 18 months. I'm sure we are looking at adding a couple of strikers if Joseph really is going to be missing.
 
JJpool said:
Is he better than Virtue?
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Virtue v2 looks much stronger and as a result hopefully less likely to pick up injuries. He's always been a goal threat and a decent player, plus he's proved that at L1 level. Moxon looks like he'd be able to step up no issues and had an outstanding season in L2 but that doesn't always happen. It may well be Virtue wants assurances he'll be involved which I'm unsure we'd be able to give him, not to mention the lure of Holywood millions and the Wrexham project.
 
NewburyOne said:
Virtue v2 looks much stronger and as a result hopefully less likely to pick up injuries. He's always been a goal threat and a decent player, plus he's proved that at L1 level. Moxon looks like he'd be able to step up no issues and had an outstanding season in L2 but that doesn't always happen. It may well be Virtue wants assurances he'll be involved which I'm unsure we'd be able to give him, not to mention the lure of Holywood millions and the Wrexham project.
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It looks like Virtue is going and we have decided we need to replace him.
 
bollieboy said:
Embleton played the number 10 role in promotion season. If we played 2 recognised strikers Jerry tended to play the number 10 role. Its Critch's preference in a 3-5-2.
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He played as the default right sided midfielder. We played very narrow, more of a 4-2-2-2 with 2 holding midifelders, Kaikai and Emblton advanced with Yates and Simms up top.
 
Tango1953 said:
He played as the default right sided midfielder. We played very narrow, more of a 4-2-2-2 with 2 holding midifelders, Kaikai and Emblton advanced with Yates and Simms up top.
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Yates and Simms only played up front together a handful of times. Yates essentially played a number 10 role when they did.
 
Nixon says the offer is £300k. Also says Carlisle are in a strong financial position after their cut from James Trafford going to Burnley, which … simply is not the case.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
We apparently had £250k turned down, so £750k if Nixon is rogth which is a huge IF
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So we offer £250K, they counter with £750K. If that is the case, it sort of seems obvious what the deal would be. We would obviously prefer to use a player exchange to reduce the cost but Carlisle aren't in a position to offer the same as Wrexham, from a financial perspective. If Virtue wants that move, it seems likely we will up our initial bid. In fact from rumours at their end, it seems that make have already happened.
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Nixon says the offer is £300k. Also says Carlisle are in a strong financial position after their cut from James Trafford going to Burnley, which … simply is not the case.
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Why do you say Carlisle aren't in a strong financial position? They'll get 2 mill + from the Trafford deal.
 
400k sounded way too cheap even if Moxon does only have one year left, because them staying up a year is worth far more than that amount.

Nixon is a cereal liar but broken clocks etc…

I personally think that if Matty Virtue is headed out for 200k then it’s a no brainer to pay the 750k (effectively 550k) for Moxon, I truly think he’s that good.

People who are concerned about his ability because he’s in League 2 should remember that Moxon has done much more in that league than Jerry did when we bought him.

He’s absolutely in the category of a player who would step up to the Championship if we were to get promoted.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
They owe investors more than that and the investors get first cut. They also need a 3/4 more players according to a couple of thier fans to stay up this season.
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The way I see it is that the sell on money is basically an unexpected windfall, so a bonus. Wouldn't the investors (whoever and whatever form they take) take so much leaving the club money to secure further payments?
 
fcblackpool said:
Why do you say Carlisle aren't in a strong financial position? They'll get 2 mill + from the Trafford deal.
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Because they say so

United's chief executive Nigel Clibbens, speaking at a fans' forum last month, also stressed that such sell-on proceeds typically arrived in instalments and could take a long period of time to arrive in full.

Clibbens said: "On James Trafford, he went around the time of EPPP [the Elite Player Performance Plan], so the deal was determined around that – there are specific rules and percentages on what you get. So we get a small percentage from him.

“Even at big, double-digit millions, it’s not going to help us too much. It would be welcome, and would help with transfer budgets and things like that, but isn’t going to give us a mountain of cash to do everything we’ve talked about."
 
AmericanTangerine said:
400k sounded way too cheap even if Moxon does only have one year left, because them staying up a year is worth far more than that amount.

Nixon is a cereal liar but broken clocks etc…

I personally think that if Matty Virtue is headed out for 200k then it’s a no brainer to pay the 750k (effectively 550k) for Moxon, I truly think he’s that good.

People who are concerned about his ability because he’s in League 2 should remember that Moxon has done much more in that league than Jerry did when we bought him.

He’s absolutely in the category of a player who would step up to the Championship if we were to get promoted.
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This is all about what the club think he's worth at the end of the day. We can afford £750k due the Yates sale, so if we want him badly enough then we can get him.
I agree with you, I think he's worth that and if he steps up with ease, which it appears that he will, then give it a couple of years and we could sell him on at a profit. Seems like a no brainer to me, but ultimately the club have plans we aren't privy to, so who knows what's gonna happen.
 
Take into account Carlisle still have a big loan connected to their former ownership that is wracking up at the rate of £3,500 a week and approaching £3 million. It’s not desperate but it’s not helpful. They’re certainly not flush.
 
fcblackpool said:
The way I see it is that the sell on money is basically an unexpected windfall, so a bonus. Wouldn't the investors (whoever and whatever form they take) take so much leaving the club money to secure further payments?
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According to their fans forum, the investors, Purepay, have first say on any money that goes into the club. So they can take all £2m of that money if they want to pay the debt off.
 
bollieboy said:
Yates and Simms only played up front together a handful of times.
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Sorry but that's just bollocks you've made up to convenience your argument.

Edit: Just checked, they start 8 times from start of Feb to mid March alone.
 
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Maybe Fiorini is a bad example but my point is we should be fishing in a different pond for £750k. His record is uninspiring pre last season and it’s not like he’s 21.

That’s assuming all of this isn’t complete bollocks, which it probably is.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
400k sounded way too cheap even if Moxon does only have one year left, because them staying up a year is worth far more than that amount.

Nixon is a cereal liar but broken clocks etc…

I personally think that if Matty Virtue is headed out for 200k then it’s a no brainer to pay the 750k (effectively 550k) for Moxon, I truly think he’s that good.

People who are concerned about his ability because he’s in League 2 should remember that Moxon has done much more in that league than Jerry did when we bought him.

He’s absolutely in the category of a player who would step up to the Championship if we were to get promoted.
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Why would Virtue only be worth 200k? They seem to want 900k of rumours are to be believed.

Virtue had a successful loan in league 1 and would probably get far more goals and assists in a team like ours this season, so surely should be worth more.
 
NewburyOne said:
He's a different type of player than both Carey and Morgan. For a start he's much bigger and whilst creative, has a very impressive work rate and isn't frightened of putting his foot in. I for one would be delighted if we can agree a deal.
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He's two inches taller than Morgan and one inch taller than Carey, wouldn't say "much bigger"
 
Suspect it is Moxon`s Jimmy McGill style agent stirring things up to secure a better deal at Carlisle. He may or may not be on the club`s radar but these days we tend not to complete deals that have had media leaks.
 
Mogwai said:
Suspect it is Moxon`s Jimmy McGill style agent stirring things up to secure a better deal at Carlisle. He may or may not be on the club`s radar but these days we tend not to complete deals that have had media leaks.
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Speaking to a Carlisle fan on Twitter and he thinks it's somone on the board who have leaked it to try and start a bidding war. Apparantly they've done stuff like that before.
 
voyeur said:
Sounds like we might not see Joseph for a long time. And both Lav and Bees have missed a lot of the last 18 months. I'm sure we are looking at adding a couple of strikers if Joseph really is going to be missing.
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I thought Joseph had a tight hamstring. Is it more serious than that?
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Because they say so

United's chief executive Nigel Clibbens, speaking at a fans' forum last month, also stressed that such sell-on proceeds typically arrived in instalments and could take a long period of time to arrive in full.

Clibbens said: "On James Trafford, he went around the time of EPPP [the Elite Player Performance Plan], so the deal was determined around that – there are specific rules and percentages on what you get. So we get a small percentage from him.

“Even at big, double-digit millions, it’s not going to help us too much. It would be welcome, and would help with transfer budgets and things like that, but isn’t going to give us a mountain of cash to do everything we’ve talked about."
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It's worth mentioning that Trafford left Carlisle eight years ago as a 12-year-old, they're not going to get a mountain of cash for that.
 
Because this story has broken before being completed I imagine the most likely outcome is Moxon staying put with a new much more lucrative contract or another club with deeper pockets coming in for him.
That’s what tends to happen in BFCWorld unfortunately when radio silence is broken on a transfer (at least for those where AVFTT pretty unanimously thinks it would be decent).
 
Halifax71 said:
Don't think Fiorini gets the credit he deserves.

He was a cut above what we had, and amongst others was being completely mismanaged by two incompetent "managers".
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Agree on how poorly we were managed but in Fiorini's case he knew Appleton's methods having played under him at Lincoln. Obviously the injury didn't help but barring a few flashes, I actually thought he was pretty average, in a poor team.
 
glasshalffull said:
Because this story has broken before being completed I imagine the most likely outcome is Moxon staying put with a new much more lucrative contract or another club with deeper pockets coming in for him.
That’s what tends to happen in BFCWorld unfortunately when radio silence is broken on a transfer (at least for those where AVFTT pretty unanimously thinks it would be decent).
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Barnsley have pocketed a decent fee for a CB that went to Luton, Peterborough have a few quid from Norburn plus Taylor going to Ipswich, beyond that there haven't been any "big money" sales by L1 clubs, so the pool of clubs who might be interested and able to afford Moxon is relatively small.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Barnsley have pocketed a decent fee for a CB that went to Luton, Peterborough have a few quid from Norburn plus Taylor going to Ipswich, beyond that there haven't been any "big money" sales by L1 clubs, so the pool of clubs who might be interested and able to afford Moxon is relatively small.
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Yes perhaps that is right. I certainly think it would be a good move for him to come here. We will soon find out I guess.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Barnsley have pocketed a decent fee for a CB that went to Luton, Peterborough have a few quid from Norburn plus Taylor going to Ipswich, beyond that there haven't been any "big money" sales by L1 clubs, so the pool of clubs who might be interested and able to afford Moxon is relatively small.
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Blackburn, Swansea and Sunderland have all been linked. This is where the stupid price tags by some of their fans is coming from, but Blackburn don't have any money till they sell someone, Swansea are still waiting on the sale of Piroe to boost their funds and Sunderland need to sell players as well, Clarke to Burnley being one of them. If we can get another offer in this week then I doubt Carlisle will be wanting to wait much longer with no gaurentees.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
Blackburn, Swansea and Sunderland have all been linked. This is where the stupid price tags by some of their fans is coming from, but Blackburn don't have any money till they sell someone, Swansea are still waiting on the sale of Piroe to boost their funds and Sunderland need to sell players as well, Clarke to Burnley being one of them. If we can get another offer in this week then I doubt Carlisle will be wanting to wait much longer with no gaurentees.
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Seems a very big move up to me, L2 to the Championship, and from Scottish L2 the previous year.

I can see one or two clubs being interested in a cut-price deal with him as a squad player, but them getting into a bidding war over him seems unlikely to me, and would the player want to be a squad player?
 
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