Lee Anderson

don't know much about it and not read the story but by the same token as you can make anti semitic comments as a few left wingers have then right wingers can make anti Islamic comments. In fact it doesn't matter if you are left or right if you are in a position of responsibility as all MP's are then there is a case to answer for any such comments.
 
He was a useful fool for a while for Sunak, now he it seems that he is just a toxic idiot, having managed to lose his position as Deputy Chairman and the Whip in a month.

Has anything really changed in Anderson`s rhetoric lately, or are the Tories subtly trying to tack a little more to the centre and Anderson`s time is up? They appeared to dial down the attacks on Lindsay Hoyle the day after the Commons` fracas and a lot of Tories seemed quite supportive of him, even though there was a lot of blood in the water. Perhaps a belated move to a softer machine gun hand?

Sunak was right to act swiftly with Anderson and should be commended on that.

But it does beg the question why Sunak hasn`t acted in the same way to Suella Braverman - who is peddling the same kind of divisive rhetoric about "Islamists" - or for that matter reigned in Liz Truss, with her unhinged pandering to extreme neoliberals like Steve Bannon in America.

While we have thick as mince puppets like Lee Anderson propagating the bile of racists like Paul Marshall the political waters will always be toxic...
 
I think this says a lot about Sunak's judgement. In his haste to fight culture wars he has given high office and status to some very unsavoury characters like Anderson and Bravaman. It was always going to end badly. Not good that Sunak hasn't condemned this, he really doesn't show any leadership on moral issues.

As for Anderson, I think he knows his time in parliament is almost over and appealing to racist conspiracy theories is his last roll of the dice.
 
I'd be genuinely interested to see how many advisors our politicians have and their stated faiths as well as their ethic origin etc.

I would hazard a guess that in London there will be a fair few more people from minority backgrounds than say the Hartlepool constituency office.

If SK has a disproportionally high number of Muslims he can answer why; I suspect they will be hired on the basis of talent than faith.

But they might be his mates - in which case he's guilty of cronyism and won't be the first or last politician doing it.

The use of Islamists is just so unnecessary and deliberately provocative mind.
 
TSSeasider said:
I'd be genuinely interested to see how many advisors our politicians have and their stated faiths as well as their ethic origin etc.

I would hazard a guess that in London there will be a fair few more people from minority backgrounds than say the Hartlepool constituency office.

If SK has a disproportionally high number of Muslims he can answer why; I suspect they will be hired on the basis of talent than faith.

But they might be his mates - in which case he's guilty of cronyism and won't be the first or last politician doing it.

The use of Islamists is just so unnecessary and deliberately provocative mind.
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Interesting that you are trying to give credibility to Anderson's comments which have been condemned by many people including quite a few Conservatives [Sajid Javid, Robert Buckland etc]. And of course have lead to the whip being withdrawn.

When you say 'Khan's mates', what on earth are you implying?

Or do you mean these people - his actual, real advisors?

www.london.gov.uk

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Discover the role and responsibilities of the Mayor Sadiq Khan and his team.
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TSSeasider said:
I'd be genuinely interested to see how many advisors our politicians have and their stated faiths as well as their ethic origin etc.

I would hazard a guess that in London there will be a fair few more people from minority backgrounds than say the Hartlepool constituency office.

If SK has a disproportionally high number of Muslims he can answer why; I suspect they will be hired on the basis of talent than faith.

But they might be his mates - in which case he's guilty of cronyism and won't be the first or last politician doing it.

The use of Islamists is just so unnecessary and deliberately provocative mind.
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A bit low for you TSS. It's no-one's business who Khan employs so long as he does it legally and above board. Just because a sour-faced Tory goes for the racist vote by raising the matter is no reason to demand that Khan replies.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
The Tories are Islamaphobes
The Labour Party are anti-Semitic
The SNP are anti-English
Shall I go on ?
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It looks like that on the surface, I know. But the Labour Party has no business being anti-semitic. I'm not just saying it's wrong either. The history of the Labour Party has proudly involved the Jewish socialist movement. I am fairly certain about this but I think the bad blood in Labour has centred on the Zionists and right-wing Likud movements in Israel. The Right-wing Israeli nation-state has for a long time, encouraged American Jewish emigres to flood the West Bank - which is wrong and contrary to United Nations agreements. However, too many hard-left militants in our country have taken this as a stick with which to beat Jewish Labour supporters and MPs. These thugs must be booted out of Labour. There is no room for anti-semites in the Labour Party. Corbyn was weak on this and has deservedly be ostracised. Moving forward Labour needs all left thinking Jews to feel welcome in the Party.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
A bit low for you TSS. It's no-one's business who Khan employs so long as he does it legally and above board. Just because a sour-faced Tory goes for the racist vote by raising the matter is no reason to demand that Khan replies.
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I deliberately said all politicians as I think we have a right to know.

It would give a much more balanced view of the whole thing.

And I actually said, I expect they will be appointed on talent - I suspect most politicians will but there will be some who appoint family, people from school and so on. As we pay their salaries I think we can then make better decisions about whether we want to elect them.

Having the information available and readily accessible would shut down a lot of this type of accusation very quickly.

And I've say again, using the term Islamist is unnecessary and unhelpful.
 
We've had David Cameron ,Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. Dave ran away from his obligations, Theresa wasn't capable of standing up for the UK, Boris put MP's in the position of having to lie for him and Liz Truss is possibly the worst PM it is conceivable to have

We've had Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, both of whom are mired in accusations of wrong doing

And we've had Boris Johnson using London as a route to PM.

I can't speak for London; but it's not a great list of successful politicians is it.
 
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TSSeasider said:
We've had David Cameron ,Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. Dave ran away from his obligations, Theresa wasn't capable of standing up for the UK, Boris put MP's in the position of having to lie for him and Liz Truss is possibly the worst PM it is conceivable to have

We've had Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, both of whom are mired in accusations of wrong doing

And we've had Boris Johnson using London as a route to PM.

I can't speak for London; but it's not a great list of successful politicians is it.
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No it isn't. We need a reset. That needs to start with a general election and a Labour Government. We need a clear out of lots of these far right Tories. Give the Conservative Party time to reset itself in the centre of British politics.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
We have harboured those who hated us.

We have tolerated those who threatened us.

We have indulged those who weakened us.

Note to Moderator - Those are the words of Margaret Thatcher when she led the country.
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She was another who stirred up division to her own ends.
 
I recall a warning years ago, can’t remember when or by who, about the danger of Muslims getting into positions of power in both private and public positions. The argument was that they will gradually impose their views on this country.
 
Matesrates said:
I recall a warning years ago, can’t remember when or by who, about the danger of Muslims getting into positions of power in both private and public positions. The argument was that they will gradually impose their views on this country.
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And you genuinely think that’s happening do you?

And it’d be interesting to know who gave that warning.
 
Matesrates said:
I recall a warning years ago, can’t remember when or by who, about the danger of Muslims getting into positions of power in both private and public positions. The argument was that they will gradually impose their views on this country.
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If you can`t "remember when or by whom" then you can`t actually "recall" it.

All you are doing is repeating the right wing trope of "they`re coming to take your biscuits" and trying to attribute it erroneously to someone else.

At least own your own convictions...
 
spudgun said:
If you can`t "remember when or by whom" then you can`t actually "recall" it.

All you are doing is repeating the right wing trope of "they`re coming to take your biscuits" and trying to attribute it erroneously to someone else...
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Similar to the conspiracy theories directed at another group in Germany in the 1930s.

“They” are getting into positions of power and “taking over”.

It’s depressing how quickly hard learned lessons get forgotten.
 
Matesrates said:
I recall a warning years ago, can’t remember when or by who, about the danger of Muslims getting into positions of power in both private and public positions. The argument was that they will gradually impose their views on this country.
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It’s coming make no mistake might take some years but it’s coming sharia law just the start of it.

Had the Labour Party not acted one of these extremist would have been the new Labour MP for Rochdale next Friday morning and we all know what his views are having heard them as clear as a daisy.

Worrying times ahead without a doubt and stuff like this is going to happen more and more.
 
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Anderson makes up something untrue about Khan that has racist undertones and is designed to cause suspicion and division.
He then gets kicked out of the tory party for it.

The response of some on here is not that Anderson should either substantiate his false claims or withdraw them. Instead it is that Khan should actively disprove the lies made against him.

I agree worrying times ahead but not for the same reasons as you Jaffa.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Anderson makes up something untrue about Khan that has racist undertones and is designed to cause suspicion and division.
He then gets kicked out of the tory party for it.

The response of some on here is not that Anderson should either substantiate his false claims or withdraw them. Instead it is that Khan should actively disprove the lies made against him.

I agree worrying times ahead but not for the same reasons as you Jaffa.
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“I sometimes wonder whether we’re getting brainwashed in this country with all this fake news I really do”.

Can you guess who typed that on another thread a few days ago?

Yep. It was Jaffa! 😂
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s coming make no mistake might take some years but it’s coming sharia law just the start of it.

Had the Labour Party not acted one of these extremist would have been the new Labour MP for Rochdale next Friday morning and we all know what his views are having heard them as clear as a daisy.

Worrying times ahead without a doubt.
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He will win that election and will be independent, in name only, mark my words, and for prevarication and distraction look at the way this whole sorry affair has been handled.

As for the comments about Khan, I still ask the question, has he denied it?

I know he came out all guns blazing shouting about discrimination and Islamophobia two words regularly used in Bradford when one of their nice young lads is taken to court for speeding at double the limit and gets off due to him being a 'carer' for his Grandmother, whilst an 80 year old white pensioner is fined £180 inc costs for exceeding the speed limit by 6 mph.

I'm sorry but there is a lot of whitemanaphiobia that goes unpunished.

Please note before answering this that I have two grandchildren of mixed race, and many good friends who are of ethnic origin and agree with these views. i also have no time for people like Anderson.
 
Curryman said:
He will win that election and will be independent, in name only, mark my words, and for prevarication and distraction look at the way this whole sorry affair has been handled.

As for the comments about Khan, I still ask the question, has he denied it?

I know he came out all guns blazing shouting about discrimination and Islamophobia two words regularly used in Bradford when one of their nice young lads is taken to court for speeding at double the limit and gets off due to him being a 'carer' for his Grandmother, whilst an 80 year old white pensioner is fined £180 inc costs for exceeding the speed limit by 6 mph.

I'm sorry but there is a lot of whitemanaphiobia that goes unpunished.

Please note before answering this that I have two grandchildren of mixed race, and many good friends who are of ethnic origin and agree with these views. i also have no time for people like Anderson.
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I’ve got a beautiful mixed race granddaughter as well.

I’m more concerned about the likelihood of her being the target of discrimination and racism than me tbh. I’m almost 65 and have never faced it. She was two yesterday and has been targeted already (by a retired senior member of the Met as it happens).

I shouldn’t get too worried about whitemanaphobia if I were you.
 
Curryman said:
He will win that election and will be independent, in name only, mark my words, and for prevarication and distraction look at the way this whole sorry affair has been handled.

As for the comments about Khan, I still ask the question, has he denied it?

I know he came out all guns blazing shouting about discrimination and Islamophobia two words regularly used in Bradford when one of their nice young lads is taken to court for speeding at double the limit and gets off due to him being a 'carer' for his Grandmother, whilst an 80 year old white pensioner is fined £180 inc costs for exceeding the speed limit by 6 mph.

I'm sorry but there is a lot of whitemanaphiobia that goes unpunished.

Please note before answering this that I have two grandchildren of mixed race, and many good friends who are of ethnic origin and agree with these views. i also have no time for people like Anderson.
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Ah, whataboutism. The last defence of the truly lost.
 
cside said:
Ah, whataboutism. The last defence of the truly lost.
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I can assure you I am anything but lost.

Unlike some on here, I try to see both sides of an argument, I am neither left or right wing, as I have explained before, but have your five minutes of smirking , it will in the end do you little good, as it just helps cloud the issue.
 
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