Mexboroseasider
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As a matter of interest do you believe in The Great Replacement Theory? Or do you think it’s a load of old cock?
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Mexboroseasider
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Gun crime in London 2023 | Statista
There were 1,085 firearm offences recorded in London 2022/23, compared with 1,071 in 2021/22, which was the year with the fewest firearm offences in the provided time period.
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Gun crime is down. As I said.
Knife Crime is stable as the article you posted confirmed.
Your claim that crime in London was running out of control was nonsense.
20togo
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not read anything and nor will i. Just making an observation on what you said. No idea what the great replacement theory is but please don't bother telling me.
Mexboroseasider
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Poster expresses strong opinion on a topic he admits he knows nothing about and doesn’t want to know anything about. Ok then.
ElBurroSinNombre
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It's almost like he just wants to argue for the sake of arguing!
Ok then.
Phil_bfc deux
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There are 20 or so left wing nutters who post on this board who appear unable to see other peoples opinions or views, they are then backed up by a moderator who is most definitely one of the said 20
So all that happens is posts get removed and debate gets skewed with a massive left wing bias and agenda
Maybe if the moderator wasn't such a coward and actually told us who he posts as it wouldn't be so bad
As it is any political post ends up like this and its pathetic
So all that happens is posts get removed and debate gets skewed with a massive left wing bias and agenda
Maybe if the moderator wasn't such a coward and actually told us who he posts as it wouldn't be so bad
As it is any political post ends up like this and its pathetic
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20togo
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where did I express an opinion in my last two posts. I expressed an opinion on you and how you like to say you are not an extreme left winger but you like to accuse others of being extreme right wing.
Ok then.
Ok then.
20togo
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I'm just calling some-one out for his double standards. See my previous post.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Well we’ll have to agree not to agree then because I can upload as many news media stories saying it’s rising while I’am sure you can of it falling.Gun crime in London 2023 | Statista
There were 1,085 firearm offences recorded in London 2022/23, compared with 1,071 in 2021/22, which was the year with the fewest firearm offences in the provided time period.
Gun crime is down. As I said.
Knife Crime is stable as the article you posted confirmed.
Your claim that crime in London was running out of control was nonsense.
All down to who you believe at the end of the day.
Spot on
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Well for a start he allowed PLO marches to go ahead after being advised not to even the Met Police said it was up to tha Mayor to ban it or have you forgotten that already?
Was all going to be peaceful they said but on the first rally alone they had over a dozen arrested for anti racist slogans towards Israel one demonstrator preaching hate crimes on the street corner and one carrying an ISIS flag till he was apprehended.
Hey just imagine if Islamist controlled London where we would be.
SEASIDE2020
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I would like to apologise to all the posters for my less than perfect posts on this thread.
None more than to you Mex, my "village idiot" gibes at you were unwarranted and unacceptable.
You were guilty of nothing other than expressing views which I happened to disagree with, that's something I'm first to complain about when I face similar criticism.
We're never going to agree on this one, it's a good debate but I'm out and once again apologies to any posters that I was short with and to anybody offended by any of my posts.
None more than to you Mex, my "village idiot" gibes at you were unwarranted and unacceptable.
You were guilty of nothing other than expressing views which I happened to disagree with, that's something I'm first to complain about when I face similar criticism.
We're never going to agree on this one, it's a good debate but I'm out and once again apologies to any posters that I was short with and to anybody offended by any of my posts.
Lytham_fy8
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Who advised him not to let the marches go ahead?
basilrobbie3
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One voice that seems absent from this debate is that of someone who actually lives in "Khan's Hellhole".
London has its problems like anywhere else . But to describe it as a ghetto overrun by violent zealots is nonsense, and the people parrotting this rhetoric should be ashamed of themselves.
I have lived here for thirty four years. I have never been attacked, and one of the best neighbours I have are the Bangladeshi family who live nearby. There are a couple of hundred languages spoken in my Borough and most of us tolerate and get along with one another.
Violent extremism is to be deplored wherever it comes from. At recent big marches in London, the main threats to public order came from the overwhelmingly white Football Lads Alliance, actually.
London has its problems like anywhere else . But to describe it as a ghetto overrun by violent zealots is nonsense, and the people parrotting this rhetoric should be ashamed of themselves.
I have lived here for thirty four years. I have never been attacked, and one of the best neighbours I have are the Bangladeshi family who live nearby. There are a couple of hundred languages spoken in my Borough and most of us tolerate and get along with one another.
Violent extremism is to be deplored wherever it comes from. At recent big marches in London, the main threats to public order came from the overwhelmingly white Football Lads Alliance, actually.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Over half of Parliament as I recall probably a lot more voiced concerns about it going ahead even some cabinet ministers.
Most of the daily news papers said it was wrong and shouldn’t go ahead.
The British Jewish society both representing the city of London and the U.K. in general all said it was wrong.
A lot of business owners on the route of the March feared for their businesses and wanted it stopped.
A big public outcry against.
Truth be known even the Met Police didn’t want it to go ahead for obvious reasons but like I said they waited on Khan to squash it but he didn’t surprise surprise.
Lytham_fy8
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So Tories then, the Tory press, the Jewish lobby and a made up bit about the Met and a public outcry.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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You asked who advised him you didn’t say other than Tories did you?
I don’t even think Sunak wanted it truth be known but he’ll never admit to it and we’ll never know.
Lytham_fy8
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But when you said he was advised it was on the pretence that this was some kind of official mandate. On what planet would you expect him to make a decision on what Braverman and the Daily Mail advise?
The only people who could advise officially are the Met, not political opponents and they didn't say anything of the sort.
It's little details thrown out like that skewer a debate to whatever people need from it, modern political discussion eh?
... in that there is a moderator on here replacing right wing posters` rational views with that of "left wing nutters"?
Or is it that some posters on here are just constantly replacing the "correct" words with the "wrong" words?
See example above...
1966_and_all_that
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Like all people who have an agenda they will not budge from, you present information in a way that supports your narrative.
You spoke of: "gun crime knife crime and crime in general massively rising."
The facts show that the situation is far more nuanced [sourced from The Guardian 27/02/24]:
In the year to September 2023, just 26.4% of people [in London] said they’d witnessed or experienced antisocial behaviour, compared with 34.2% across England and Wales. Only three police forces scored lower. That figure is also down compared with September 2019 levels, when 44% of people had witnessed or experienced antisocial behaviour (compared with 39% nationally).
About 10.1 people in London for every 100,000 residents were admitted to hospital after being assaulted with a knife or sharp object in 2022-23 – up slightly on 2021-22 but down from 12.3 in 2019-20. Cleveland had 12.9 stabbings for every 100,000 people, and the West Midlands 13 for every 100,000. While all three areas are much higher than the England average (6.2), knife-related hospitalisations are still lower than before the pandemic.
“Under Sadiq Khan, gun crime has soared by 2,500% in just one year,” claimed Tottenham Conservative Association – several of whose members have stood as Tory candidates in local elections – in a recent post on X. It referred to the scandal as the “Khan crime wave”. The statistic was repeated in a Daily Telegraph article in January.
The figure is shocking – and untrue. It originated in a flawed analysis of Home Office data by the Daily Mail, which later retracted the claim and acknowledged its error.
The latest statistics, for the year ending March 2023, show there were 12 firearm offences for every 100,000 residents in London. That puts it behind Gloucestershire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, Northamptonshire, West Yorkshire, the West Midlands, South Yorkshire and Cleveland (which had the most gun crime for every 100,000 people: 33 offences).
You then perform a volte face in response to @Mexboroseasider providing these facts, by stating:
"Up slightly means exactly what it says it’s gone up." Not exactly the same as "massively rising," is it?
The only thing that is massively rising appears to be the lengths to which some posters on here are prepared to go to support a malicious, any-Khan agenda.
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Jaffa_The_Hut
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Malicious anti Khan agenda?
I’ve supplied information regarding gun/Knife crimes in London I didn’t make this information I just posted it and it’s there for all to see/read it.
Now if you don’t want to believe it fair enough (there seems a few on here who appear to oblivious to it) I’ve no issue with that but just say that instead of posting nonsense about posters having a malicious anti Khan agenda.
1966_and_all_that
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Perhaps you need to be more discerning with the information you post. As for my anti-Khan agenda point, I was speaking more widely of a number of statement posted on here.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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So are you implying the information posted is false? or you simply don’t agree with it?
1966_and_all_that
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I am stating outright that the information is wrong. Any grain of truth it may contain is massaged to present an appearance of a city out of control. That is wrong.
Mexboroseasider
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I shouldn’t worry. I didn’t even realise I’d been insulted.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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I don’t think anyone has said or indeed even think it’s a city out of control I think you are reading what’s not there.
It has serious issues with gun and knife crimes that’s what has been said now like I’ve said earlier if you don’t believe the reports then fine but London is no longer the safe place it used to be.
We’ve already had a comment of a poster who lives there saying it’s fine but there's 32 boroughs in London and 9 million people live there so it’s impossible to say that’s a true reflection of the whole of London.
And just to say it again no one has ever posted its a city out of control it isn’t I’m saying it’s no longer the beautiful capitol city that myself and good lady used to visit twice a year on birthdays/anniversary’s.
Lytham_fy8
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There's literally a post on this thread saying London is lost.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Not by me but if someone has said that fair enough I’ve not seen it.
Funnily enough I watch London has fallen last night any coincidence?
Lytham_fy8
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We just need Gerard thingy.Not by me but if someone has said that fair enough I’ve not seen it.
Funny enough I watch London has fallen last night coincidence?
His film about the asteroid was good, first watchable one since Law Abiding Citizen.
1966_and_all_that
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Perhaps I should have said that control of London hasn't been given away to 'Islamists'. After all, this thread is a reaction to comments made by Lee Anderson when he said, “I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London … he's actually given our capital city away to his mates.”
Bend it like Suddick
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Lytham_fy8
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Didn't Johnson create ULEZ?
Bend it like Suddick
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Lytham,yes, you are correct, Khan expanded it, I was implying about the way he purposely and knowingly has manipulated data to suit his ambition and aims with it. All in the public domain and shows that he is far from honourable.
1966_and_all_that
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What would you say Khan's aims are when it comes to extending ULEZ in London? My understanding, based on what he has said in the media, is that he believes it will help to improve the health of London's citizens, particularly that of the children who will be able to breathe cleaner air. I consider that to be an honourable and justifiable aim.
Bend it like Suddick
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Even though he has falsified figures to support his project?..and also there is no definitive proof whatsoever it works
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Anyone know where the estimated £300m it’s taken in its first year of operation will end up?
1966_and_all_that
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A report published last year by Logika Group Air Quality Consultants found that the Ulez and the pre-existing low-emission zone for HGVs reduced road traffic particulate matter (PM2.5) emissions by 180 tonnes across London over three years, a cut exceeding the particulate pollution produced by rail and river transport and agriculture combined. Nitrogen oxides (NOx) emissions from road traffic fell by an estimated 13,500 tonnes in London in the same period – which the report says was a figure roughly equivalent to the emissions produced by planes taking off and landing at London Heathrow and City airports.
Furthermore, A review of studies published in July 2023 in The Lancet Public Health on low emission zones around the world (not including London’s ULEZ) found positive air pollution-related health outcomes, with the most consistent effect being on cardiovascular disease.
These reports are based on evidence. That is what proof means - test the conditions for evidence of improvements. Those improvements are real and documented. I don't honestly know why you would want to be sceptical about a scheme that helps to improve health, or to suggest that there is something underhand about the evidence.
Yes, there are sceptics out there who publish 'evidence' that ULEZ does not work. One such sceptic is Howard Cox, who has been selected by the Reform UK party as its candidate for the London Mayoral election in May 2024. He wrote in the Daily Express on 17 June that “the levels of particulates at roadside level in London according to WHO are at normal safe background levels of concentration”. This is untrue, as the reports of the London Air Quality Network have documented – as mentioned, even in 2020, a year when traffic in London was reduced by the COVID-19 lockdown, levels of PM2.5 were exceeding the WHO 2021 guideline threshold.
Furthermore, A review of studies published in July 2023 in The Lancet Public Health on low emission zones around the world (not including London’s ULEZ) found positive air pollution-related health outcomes, with the most consistent effect being on cardiovascular disease.
These reports are based on evidence. That is what proof means - test the conditions for evidence of improvements. Those improvements are real and documented. I don't honestly know why you would want to be sceptical about a scheme that helps to improve health, or to suggest that there is something underhand about the evidence.
Yes, there are sceptics out there who publish 'evidence' that ULEZ does not work. One such sceptic is Howard Cox, who has been selected by the Reform UK party as its candidate for the London Mayoral election in May 2024. He wrote in the Daily Express on 17 June that “the levels of particulates at roadside level in London according to WHO are at normal safe background levels of concentration”. This is untrue, as the reports of the London Air Quality Network have documented – as mentioned, even in 2020, a year when traffic in London was reduced by the COVID-19 lockdown, levels of PM2.5 were exceeding the WHO 2021 guideline threshold.
Bend it like Suddick
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Im always sceptical 1966 about anything that a Govt body etc tries to impose cost on people but do welcome anything that has health implications.
Im not suggesting anything underhand, Im categorically stating that this scheme has been introduced underhand with manipulated figures.
As for Howard Cox et al, there are plenty of other distractors of the scheme who can publish conflicting data.
1966_and_all_that
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and yet the post-introductory evidence of the improvements is well documented.
Bend it like Suddick
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at a cost and of dubious implication. Hey ho
basilrobbie3
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I'm not sure what ULEZ has to do with Lee Anderson. But as you mention it. I live in a Borough that has seen one young girl die as a result of air pollution. Round here, we support Khan's efforts to protect public health, because that is the primary issue here. It's more of an economic issue in the more affluent outer London Boroughs like Richmond and Kingston.
1966_and_all_that
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What?? What does that actually mean? If you are interested in the evidence, read the report.
Bend it like Suddick
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ULEZ has nothing to do with Anderson, but it’s to do with Khan, and I was responding to another poster.
I’m not against anything that makes it safer for people, but I was making the poster aware that the scheme was manipulated by Khan.
1966_and_all_that
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Lee Anderson cast derogatory aspersions at Sadiq Khan. Those who support Anderson look to find mud to sling at Khan at every opportunity. One such opportunity is ULEZ, ergo the tenuous link. It's a tactic borne of desperation.
basilrobbie3
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Manipulated is a loaded word, isn't it? Any tax or levy that can be selectively applied is by definition manipulable.
I am no great fan of Khan, but if you delegate power to an elected Mayor, you shouldn't be surprised or dismayed if he seeks to use it, and push the boundaries of what he can or can't do.
You had better get used to the idea that he is likely to win convincingly again in May.
ElBurroSinNombre
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What has any of this got to do with London 'being controlled by Islamists' as Anderson stated?
Is there a section in the Koran about the introduction of air-quality measures?
Or about reducing knife crime?
It's just deflection.
It is possible to dislike Khan and still condemn the casual islamophobia of Anderson.
Khan is actually a unifying figure in London and seeks to create harmony between the different communities in the city.
Why are posters on here so desperate to justify the comments of Lee Anderson?
Is there a section in the Koran about the introduction of air-quality measures?
Or about reducing knife crime?
It's just deflection.
It is possible to dislike Khan and still condemn the casual islamophobia of Anderson.
Khan is actually a unifying figure in London and seeks to create harmony between the different communities in the city.
Why are posters on here so desperate to justify the comments of Lee Anderson?
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Maybe there’s always 2 sides to an argument?
There usually is right or wrong.
ElBurroSinNombre
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How is London 'controlled by Islamists'?
Can you produce evidence for this?
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Has anyone actually said London is controlled by them?
I’ve said all along Khan is controlled by them for reasons I’ve already given previously.
ElBurroSinNombre
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Anderson said that London was 'controlled by Islamists' and Khan had 'given London to his mates'.
That is what this thread is about.
What evidence is there of this?