Biden to Win -Just

All those posters scoffing at Biden and 'knowing' that Trump would win through - well, there you go! *Adopts his inner-Keegan* I'm loving it, loving it! The response to smugness is best served whilst it's well and truly warm my friends. Three months left of the lying, mysogynistic, narcissistic, self-centred bastard Trump. After that I truly hope that he gets taken down big time. I want the Scottish Parliament to commandeer his golf course, the FBI to find him guilty of treachery and the Republic Party to take a deep breath, start again and never, ever stand behind a fascistic maniac as their standard bearer for office.
Deep breath...enjoyed that.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
All those posters scoffing at Biden and 'knowing' that Trump would win through - well, there you go! *Adopts his inner-Keegan* I'm loving it, loving it! The response to smugness is best served whilst it's well and truly warm my friends. Three months left of the lying, mysogynistic, narcissistic, self-centred bastard Trump. After that I truly hope that he gets taken down big time. I want the Scottish Parliament to commandeer his golf course, the FBI to find him guilty of treachery and the Republic Party to take a deep breath, start again and never, ever stand behind a fascistic maniac as their standard bearer for office.
Deep breath...enjoyed that.
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You don’t seem to realise the media doesn’t decide who wins.
 
Can it be that PNE_Thor has moved to Memphis and changed his user name? His predictions are just as inaccurate and even more timely... 🤣
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I agree. It’s the American People.

Which is precisely what they have done.
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Same with Brexit and the British people eh?
Yet still we have a new post virtually every day on the subject on here by those who can’t seem to accept the vote of the British people.
So much hypocrisy.
 
Lala said:
Same with Brexit and the British people eh?
Yet still we have a new post virtually every day on the subject on here by those who can’t seem to accept the vote of the British people.
So much hypocrisy.
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Scots with the "once in a generation" independence vote too. I voted to stay in the EU btw, but I respect democracy.
 
By the time the other votes are finished, it won't be that close. Biggest vote for a new President ever. The people have spoken.
 
Lala said:
Same with Brexit and the British people eh?
Yet still we have a new post virtually every day on the subject on here by those who can’t seem to accept the vote of the British people.
So much hypocrisy.
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Not hypocritical at all. Two different things.

Trump tried (and is still trying to) subvert a democratic vote while it’s happening. That’s wrong. I assume you agree?

It doesn’t follow that once Biden is President (or Brexit is voted for) you are no longer allowed to criticise Biden/Brexit. In fact it’s an integral part of any democracy that you can criticise the policies of the democratically elected government. Which you yourself do quite often I think? So are you a hypocrite as well?
 
Typical. Posters who support Trump lose. Therefore, dig out the EU referendum as a means of carrying on an argument about democracy. Transparent, straw-clutching and irrelevant.
 
The thing about democracy is that it’s a simplified, crude way to gauge the overall feelings of millions of people. By asking them simple questions and saying vote this way or that way when, actually, reality is very complicated. But, just like individuals, a huge accumulation of people can change its overall balance of opinion. That why we ask the questions every five years at a minimum. The Swiss do that even more often with multiple referenda.

It’s not beyond reason that, if Brexit does go really badly, we might ask the people what they think again. Same with the Jocks and their referendum, except that Sturgeon did promise it was a once-in-a-generation vote. And they will be held to that. Unless they riot. Last thing we want is a re-run of NI.

The problem is that even if the people did want to rejoin the EU we would have to enter on even worse terms than we had. Join the Euro, greater financial contribution, all the “freedoms” ramped up etc. If we think the Brexit negotiations with Barnier are bad, then those to rejoin would be horrendous. And I am not sure the UK would necessarily be readmitted. For the French, hell would have to freeze over first.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
Not hypocritical at all. Two different things.

Trump tried (and is still trying to) subvert a democratic vote while it’s happening. That’s wrong. I assume you agree?

It doesn’t follow that once Biden is President (or Brexit is voted for) you are no longer allowed to criticise Biden/Brexit. In fact it’s an integral part of any democracy that you can criticise the policies of the democratically elected government. Which you yourself do quite often I think? So are you a hypocrite as well?
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The reaction of posters on here to defeat is hypocritical is my point.
Expecting graciousness when the vote goes your way yet still harping on 4 years later about what a mistake the public have made when the vote didn’t go your way..
So yes, that’s the hypocrisy I’m referencing, and you can spin it anyway you like but it’s hilarious really.
By the way I voted remain and I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he were the only candidate.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Typical. Posters who support Trump lose. Therefore, dig out the EU referendum as a means of carrying on an argument about democracy. Transparent, straw-clutching and irrelevant.
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And yet they are quite happy to criticise Starmer. A democratically elected MP.

If you follow their logic then you can never criticise any elected politician or the policies of democratically elected governments. And yet they do. All the time!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Typical. Posters who support Trump lose. Therefore, dig out the EU referendum as a means of carrying on an argument about democracy. Transparent, straw-clutching and irrelevant.
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I’m not a Trump supporter so I’m assuming that isn’t referring to me. I am an observer of democracy and avftt posting traits though 😊
 
Lala said:
The reaction of posters on here to defeat is hypocritical is my point.
Expecting graciousness when the vote goes your way yet still harping on 4 years later about what a mistake the public have made when the vote didn’t go your way..
So yes, that’s the hypocrisy I’m referencing, and you can spin it anyway you like but it’s hilarious really.
By the way I voted remain and I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he were the only candidate.
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Not hypocrisy Lala. The dialogue about the EU Referendum has always been about whether it was the right thing to do. Every Remainer on here knows it's going to happen and, grudgingly, puts up with it.
What is happening in America is that the man-child is winding up his supporters to say that the vote itself is illegitimate. That's different.
 
Lala said:
The reaction of posters on here to defeat is hypocritical is my point.
Expecting graciousness when the vote goes your way yet still harping on 4 years later about what a mistake the public have made when the vote didn’t go your way..
So yes, that’s the hypocrisy I’m referencing, and you can spin it anyway you like but it’s hilarious really.
By the way I voted remain and I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he were the only candidate.
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Well if I thought Brexit was a crap idea in 2016, and still think it’s a crap idea, are you saying I can’t now say that? Seems a bit like a dictatorship rather than a democracy to me.

And, as I said, by your logic no-one can ever criticise the policies of any elected government. Which I think everyone would agree is bollocks.

That’s not spin. It’s just common sense .

Anyway Brexit is for another day (quite soon I suspect). I’m just celebrating the removal of a lying, racist mysogynist.
 
Trump has gone beyond the pale. What he is doing, in trying to undermine the electoral system and by implication the Constitution, might actually be regarded as treason by some federal judges. Certainly criminal. Even his dumb son, Donald Jnr, has been publicly calling for “total war”! If that is not incitement to violence, I don’t know what is.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not hypocrisy Lala. The dialogue about the EU Referendum has always been about whether it was the right thing to do. Every Remainer on here knows it's going to happen and, grudgingly, puts up with it.
What is happening in America is that the man-child is winding up his supporters to say that the vote itself is illegitimate. That's different.
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It’s hypocrisy in my book even if you choose to say it isn’t.
Laughing at one group, person or political pursuasion for not accepting a democratic outcome graciously whilst not being graciously accepting yourself of an another ( many Brexit voters have been labelled stupid many times on here) appears very hypocritical to me.
Mex assertively letting another poster know that the American public have spoken, in a ‘ so that’s that’ tone is quite comical considering many haven’t got over the British people speaking even 4 years on.
 
Lala said:
The reaction of posters on here to defeat is hypocritical is my point.
Expecting graciousness when the vote goes your way yet still harping on 4 years later about what a mistake the public have made when the vote didn’t go your way..
So yes, that’s the hypocrisy I’m referencing, and you can spin it anyway you like but it’s hilarious really.
By the way I voted remain and I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he were the only candidate.
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It's not hypocrisy, it's accepting the vote but arguing it was wrong, that's democracy.
 
Lala said:
It’s hypocrisy in my book even if you choose to say it isn’t.
Laughing at one group, person or political pursuasion for not accepting a democratic outcome graciously whilst not being graciously accepting yourself of an another ( many Brexit voters have been labelled stupid many times on here) appears very hypocritical to me.
Mex assertively letting another poster know that the American public have spoken, in a ‘ so that’s that’ tone is quite comical considering many haven’t got over the British people speaking even 4 years on.
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OK, hypocrisy and yes, people do seem to contradict themselves. But, that's how politics lives and breathes. Just bear in mind: one is political opinion and the to and fro of argument. The other is a potential illegal interference with the democratic process - and I'm not talking about how you set things out. I'm talking about Trump.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Your boy lost, get used to it. Nothing to do with the media, it's down to decency and good winning over evil. Trump was an utter ** before he became President, he remained an utter ** as President and he will continue being a ** for the rest of his life.
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I think Memphis was a lot funnier when he pretended to be living in his Mother's back bedroom, obsessing about how he was going to lose his virginity and about what his Mum was up to with Uncle Robbie.
 
Lala said:
Arguing it was wrong isn’t really accepting it. It’s saying I know better than what the people have voted for.
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Regardless of what anyone says, it's happening.

The 74 year old baby is saying he has won easily when every vote counted is saying the opposite while wildly throwing accusations of widespread fraud hither and thither, despite there not being a shred of evidence. If there was, he would have been on TV showing it.

There's a world of difference between saying the voting process is systemically corrupt and fixed, to saying you don't agree with the result.
 
Wizaard said:
Regardless of what anyone says, it's happening.

The 74 year old baby is saying he has won easily when every vote counted is saying the opposite while wildly throwing accusations of widespread fraud hither and thither, despite there not being a shred of evidence. If there was, he would have been on TV showing it.

There's a world of difference between saying the voting process is systemically corrupt and fixed, to saying you don't agree with the result.
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Exactly. Which was also why calls for a second referendum were wrong.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Lala, you have a bee on your bonnet!
Of course there should not be a second EU referendum. The result was clear and unimpeachable. Why the current harking back?
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Harking back 😆 that’s exactly my point. And there were plenty on here who were willing to support a second referendum.
A bee in my bonnet it is if that’s what you call me calling out hypocrisy and standing by my point 👍
 
Lala said:
Harking back 😆 that’s exactly my point. And there were plenty on here who were willing to support a second referendum.
A bee in my bonnet it is if that’s what you call me calling out hypocrisy and standing by my point 👍
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Ok. So long as you realise everytime you complain about a policy or statement of a democratically elected government, MP or councillor, you will be called out as a hypocrite. Personally I think you’ve set your standards way too high but if that’s the way you want to be measured; that’s your choice.
 
Lala said:
Arguing it was wrong isn’t really accepting it. It’s saying I know better than what the people have voted for.
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No, accepting every decision as correct because it was voted in isn't democratic, you accept the decision but not always its validity.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Ok. So long as you realise everytime you complain about a policy or statement of a democratically elected government, MP or councillor, you will be called out as a hypocrite. Personally I think you’ve set your standards way too high but if that’s the way you want to be measured; that’s your choice.
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I’ll always accept the outcome of a democratic process without belittling the electorate. If the vote goes my way or not.
That’s totally different to criticising a policy or a politician. Maybe you are missing my fundamental argument here.
If that’s setting my standards too high I would suggest yours maybe a little low.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No, accepting every decision as correct because it was voted in isn't democratic, you accept the decision but not always its validity.
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I’m talking about accepting every democratically run election outcome. Not the policies or principles that are being voted on.
Thats been my main and only point since I entered this thread. It’s been twisted by others along the way into inferring that I am stating that you shouldn’t critique the opposition. Never said that once.
 
Lala said:
I’ll always accept the outcome of a democratic process without belittling the electorate. If the vote goes my way or not.
That’s totally different to criticising a policy or a politician. Maybe you are missing my fundamental argument here.
If that’s setting my standards too high I would suggest yours maybe a little low.
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With all due respect Lala, I think you are missing the point that people are trying (not very well) to make to you.

I fully agree with you that we should respect the outcome of national votes. The big difference between USA2020 and UK2016 is that in the latter the eventual winners told a lot of lies and played on people's prejudices to get their victory. So for people to view the two votes as being broadly analogous isn't really all that surprising, is it? Dog whistle populism is exactly what it says on the tin, no matter where it is.
 
basilrobbie said:
With all due respect Lala, I think you are missing the point that people are trying (not very well) to make to you.

I fully agree with you that we should respect the outcome of national votes. The big difference between USA2020 and UK2016 is that in the latter the eventual winners told a lot of lies and played on people's prejudices to get their victory. So for people to view the two votes as being broadly analogous isn't really all that surprising, is it? Dog whistle populism is exactly what it says on the tin, no matter where it is.
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😂 Those nasty liars made them do it....😂

There were lies and low grade politics on both sides of the Brexit debate Robbie.... I didn’t like the outcome particularly, but it was absolutely democracy... And the constant griping since from many has been embarrassing...
 
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