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Ollygon

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Biden will win Arizona, Nevada, Maine, Hawaii, Michigan and Wisconsin - and will get to the magic 270.

It won't matter then what happens in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'd have preferred Trump to get a hammering, but this will do!

He won't like it and he'll try all sorts of dirty tricks, but he's a goner, and will soon be despatched to the cesspool of history.
 
Ollygon said:
Biden will win Arizona, Nevada, Maine, Hawaii, Michigan and Wisconsin - and will get to the magic 270.

It won't matter then what happens in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'd have preferred Trump to get a hammering, but this will do!

He won't like it and he'll try all sorts of dirty tricks, but he's a goner, and will soon be despatched to the cesspool of history.
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He's already said he'll go to the Supreme Court, which is a worry, as it has 6 of his placements of the 9.
 
Trump is anti democratic. How can a country that has waged war on so many and killed millions in the name of democracy end up in such a mess. Trump is attempting to be a tinpot dictator. Not fond of Biden mind you but he will attempt to restore some sense of a government, if he can.
 
Ollygon said:
Biden will win Arizona, Nevada, Maine, Hawaii, Michigan and Wisconsin - and will get to the magic 270.

It won't matter then what happens in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'd have preferred Trump to get a hammering, but this will do!

He won't like it and he'll try all sorts of dirty tricks, but he's a goner, and will soon be despatched to the cesspool of history.
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Are you sure about this?
Biden currently trailing in Michighan and Wisconsin I think
 
Ollygon said:
Biden will win Arizona, Nevada, Maine, Hawaii, Michigan and Wisconsin - and will get to the magic 270.

It won't matter then what happens in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'd have preferred Trump to get a hammering, but this will do!

He won't like it and he'll try all sorts of dirty tricks, but he's a goner, and will soon be despatched to the cesspool of history.
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I think the key states in your list are Michigan and Wisconsin where, as you say, Biden is predicted to win. The results there won’t be known until Wednesday evening (their time) so we may have a clearer picture this time tomorrow.

I also think Pennsylvania will go with Biden but they take ages to conclude their count.
 
Ollygon said:
Absolutely - postal votes still to be counted- heavily in favour of Biden!
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That’s the point. In the US when you register your right to vote you declare whether you’re a democrat, Republican or independent. The postal votes are predominantly from registered democrats which is why Trump is so keen to stop them being counted. It’s a pretty blatant attempt to steal the election but the scenario has been well trailed for weeks now.
 
Cuthbert said:
Trump is anti democratic. How can a country that has waged war on so many and killed millions in the name of democracy end up in such a mess. Trump is attempting to be a tinpot dictator. Not fond of Biden mind you but he will attempt to restore some sense of a government, if he can.
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On that note it was mentioned that military personnel based overseas (from the States) use postal ballots and that to deny servicemen their right to a vote would not sit well with the Country as a whole regardless of political leaning.
 
Ollygon said:
Biden will win Arizona, Nevada, Maine, Hawaii, Michigan and Wisconsin - and will get to the magic 270.

It won't matter then what happens in Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'd have preferred Trump to get a hammering, but this will do!

He won't like it and he'll try all sorts of dirty tricks, but he's a goner, and will soon be despatched to the cesspool of history.
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You sure about Michigan and Wisconsin?

Michigan looks red to me and Wisconsin is in the balance that one really could go either way.

I think they hold 20 or 21 seats between them if memory serves that's where it could be won and lost
 
He's cut the deficit to 64000 in Michigan. Most of the mail in votes tend towards Democrat but as you allude to, it's not going to be easy.
He possibly needs Arizona, Nevada. Michigan and Wisconsin because PA may well go to Trump. It's changing by the hour. Shows how divided the place is.
 
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Bottle said:
On that note it was mentioned that military personnel based overseas (from the States) use postal ballots and that to deny servicemen their right to a vote would not sit well with the Country as a whole regardless of political leaning.
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If they're Republicans they wouldn't care, they're brainwashed
 
Certainly a lot closer than most commentators and polls were predicting. The problem with close results is that there was always likely to be litigation and delays. As I said on another thread, if the Democrats had a really good candidate, they would have walked this election, winning by a clear margin
 
southshorepool said:
He's cut the deficit to 64000 in Michigan. Most of the mail in votes tend towards Democrat but as you allude to, it's not going to be easy.
He needs Arizona, Nevada. Michigan and Wisconsin because PA will go to Trump. It's changing by the hour. Shows how divided the place is.
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Still half a million postal votes to count in Michigan and they've put out a tweet saying it's the electorate who decide elections not candidates, as a reassurance they'll all be counted.
 
Wizaard said:
Still half a million postal votes to count in Michigan and they've put out a tweet saying it's the electorate who decide elections not candidates, as a reassurance they'll all be counted.
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Has there been any figures released over just how many postal votes are still to be counted across the remaining states?

Everything I have seen suggests these votes are heavily weighted in the favour of Biden; no wonder Trump is worried.
 
What stable genius tries to undemocratically stop counting legitimate votes, whilst he is currently losing 224-213, yet claiming he has already won.

Just think about that for a moment...
 
Wizaard said:
The thing about Donald is that he's such a gracious man, and I'm sure he would take a defeat well, and say he was beaten by the better candidate...
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'I'm the best at taking defeat, which this isn't, probably the greatest there ever was at losing gracefully, even though I haven't and it's fake news, rigged and I've been cheated, I'll still be the greatest and most humblest greatest leader in not losing, but coming just behind equal first . I'm probably the greatest not-a-loser there has ever been'.
 
spudgun said:
What stable genius tries to undemocratically stop counting legitimate votes, whilst he is currently losing 224-213, yet claiming he has already won.

Just think about that for a moment...
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He's claiming he has already won the seats that haven't been declared yet, and it is all a big conspiracy because they have found/created/delete as appropriate these new postal votes.

If they ignored potentially millions of votes, which is what he is now pushing for, he would win.

It's so blatantly obvious what he is trying to do, which would be fine if it was just the ramblings of a mad man doing anything he can to hold on to power; what worries me is the tens of millions of his followers who believe every word he says.

America is one messed up country.
 
Do you really believe that Blood or are you just trying to court controversy.

Genius move by democrats getting all their supporters to postal vote - means a great end to the election. Georgia the key state for me and it’s looking likely to go to Biden.

Trump is an ungracious lying piece of excrement who should be expunged from all history books.
 
spudgun said:
What stable genius tries to undemocratically stop counting legitimate votes, whilst he is currently losing 224-213, yet claiming he has already won.

Just think about that for a moment...
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That did baffle me a bit, as well. Along with thanking the American public for their support, when he is losing the popular vote as well.

It's interesting that most of the layers still have Biden a narrow favourite in Pennsylvania, despite the fact he is currently a good way behind. It will be a major surprise if he doesn't win Michigan, he looks like squeaking it in Wisconsin and the bookies have him a clear favourite in Arizona and Nevada. I think it is possible that he could have exactly 270 votes, or maybe 290, and if he gets very lucky in Georgia he could end up with exactly the same number of college votes as Trump got last time. And don't start me on the fourth District vote in Maine.....

There are three things that stand out for me :

  • this looks an underwhelming performance from the Democrats, whether they win or not. Given how Trump has performed this year, this should have been a clear win, really
  • the polling industry will have to look hard at its own performance yet again - they look to have got this significantly wrong, in a significant number of place and/or demographics
  • the electoral system in the US is absolutely shocking. I don't so much mean the college, but the wildly different rules on counting, the sheer difficulty of voting (especially if you are black, or poor), and the way it lends itself to huge swathes of litigation. Not forgetting, that despite having four years notice it was coming, they are unbelievably dilatory when it comes to organising the simple job of counting. It can't be right that Florida declared with a couple of hours, but Nevada with its three men and a dog are still undeclared and having a rest until tomorrow afternoon

High popcorn count though.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think the key states in your list are Michigan and Wisconsin where, as you say, Biden is predicted to win. The results there won’t be known until Wednesday evening (their time) so we may have a clearer picture this time tomorrow.

I also think Pennsylvania will go with Biden but they take ages to conclude their count.
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That's also subject to issues over whether to admit late postal submissions - most of which will be for Biden
Could get messy
 
basilrobbie said:
That did baffle me a bit, as well. Along with thanking the American public for their support, when he is losing the popular vote as well.

It's interesting that most of the layers still have Biden a narrow favourite in Pennsylvania, despite the fact he is currently a good way behind. It will be a major surprise if he doesn't win Michigan, he looks like squeaking it in Wisconsin and the bookies have him a clear favourite in Arizona and Nevada. I think it is possible that he could have exactly 270 votes, or maybe 290, and if he gets very lucky in Georgia he could end up with exactly the same number of college votes as Trump got last time. And don't start me on the fourth District vote in Maine.....

There are three things that stand out for me :

  • this looks an underwhelming performance from the Democrats, whether they win or not. Given how Trump has performed this year, this should have been a clear win, really
  • the polling industry will have to look hard at its own performance yet again - they look to have got this significantly wrong, in a significant number of place and/or demographics
  • the electoral system in the US is absolutely shocking. I don't so much mean the college, but the wildly different rules on counting, the sheer difficulty of voting (especially if you are black, or poor), and the way it lends itself to huge swathes of litigation. Not forgetting, that despite having four years notice it was coming, they are unbelievably dilatory when it comes to organising the simple job of counting. It can't be right that Florida declared with a couple of hours, but Nevada with its three men and a dog are still undeclared and having a rest until tomorrow afternoon

High popcorn count though.
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Heard some interesting commentary on this - basically saying it's the individual states who cast the vote and how they organise their own vote is their issue not a federal one
Remarkable
 
I heard that ratio of 16:1 of remaining Pennsylvania votes are in Biden’s favour which when you consider I think they’re about 500k outstanding could be a big turnaround. Btw best website coverage I’ve found is on the nytimes home page, no paywall either.
 
The irony of course (and Republicans really don't do irony) is that those that bang the drum loudest about America being the home of the free are happily willing to abandon democracy so that their cult leader can stay in power.
 
basilrobbie said:
That did baffle me a bit, as well. Along with thanking the American public for their support, when he is losing the popular vote as well.

It's interesting that most of the layers still have Biden a narrow favourite in Pennsylvania, despite the fact he is currently a good way behind. It will be a major surprise if he doesn't win Michigan, he looks like squeaking it in Wisconsin and the bookies have him a clear favourite in Arizona and Nevada. I think it is possible that he could have exactly 270 votes, or maybe 290, and if he gets very lucky in Georgia he could end up with exactly the same number of college votes as Trump got last time. And don't start me on the fourth District vote in Maine.....

There are three things that stand out for me :

  • this looks an underwhelming performance from the Democrats, whether they win or not. Given how Trump has performed this year, this should have been a clear win, really
  • the polling industry will have to look hard at its own performance yet again - they look to have got this significantly wrong, in a significant number of place and/or demographics
  • the electoral system in the US is absolutely shocking. I don't so much mean the college, but the wildly different rules on counting, the sheer difficulty of voting (especially if you are black, or poor), and the way it lends itself to huge swathes of litigation. Not forgetting, that despite having four years notice it was coming, they are unbelievably dilatory when it comes to organising the simple job of counting. It can't be right that Florida declared with a couple of hours, but Nevada with its three men and a dog are still undeclared and having a rest until tomorrow afternoon

High popcorn count though.
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With regards to the polls inaccuracies, Robbie, I heard an American commentator this morning saying that the polls would never be accurate, because huge amount of Trump voters are too embarrassed to admit it!!

😂😂
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
The irony of course (and Republicans really don't do irony) is that those that bang the drum loudest about America being the home of the free are happily willing to abandon democracy so that their cult leader can stay in power.
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One of the unsettling takeaways of this election, is that so many people in America positively embrace Trumpism in all its fakery and depravity even after four years.

The "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue" quote by Trump is being heartily endorsed by a large minority of people the USA.

They still haven`t had enough of Trumpism, and would appear to be prepared to happily sleep walk into a Trump autocracy and all its horrors.

It begs the question as to what is so wrong in America that they willingly succumb to his snake oil nationalism...
 
spudgun said:
One of the unsettling takeaways of this election, is that so many people in America positively embrace Trumpism in all its fakery and depravity even after four years.

The "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue" quote by Trump is being heartily endorsed by a large minority of people the USA.

They still haven`t had enough of Trumpism, and would appear to be prepared to happily sleep walk into a Trump autocracy and all its horrors.

It begs the question as to what is so wrong in America that they willingly succumb to his snake oil nationalism...
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It really does make you wonder how close one of the ‘so called’ greatest democracies in the World is to unwittingly devolving into an autocracy.

I think it’s symptomatic of the kind of polarised politics... “I’m right you’re wrong” / intolerance of opposing opinions / views and affects both sides of the political spectrum.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It really does make you wonder how close one of the ‘so called’ greatest democracies in the World is to unwittingly devolving into an autocracy.

I think it’s symptomatic of the kind of polarised politics... “I’m right you’re wrong” / intolerance of opposing opinions / views and affects both sides of the political spectrum.
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You'd never get that here 🤣🤣🤣
 
I’m only interested in it/intrigued by it in the same fashion I would be by coming across a burning building but it strikes me that the Democrats even if they win made a huge error in electing a man so old and prone to gaffes around remembering names etc. He is 78 in November I believe. If they had put forward a Younger more vibrant candidate then I would think they would have won more clearly.
If Trump actually scraped it they could only blame themselves ...they would have created their own Hell.

Secondly I find the modern pattern nowadays here (including on AVFTT btw) and in the States and elsewhere whereby anyone who doesn’t agree with ”our side“ must be belittled, abused, called names, made out to be insane, a snowflake, a fascist, unintelligent etc etc.......why has it got to this?.......they are expecting violence in the USA streets whoever wins....that is insane.

As I say it wont affect me one bit who wins the election in the USA.....it’s just a burning building
 
Wizaard said:
You'd never get that here 🤣🤣🤣
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Possibly less so, but I wouldn’t be surprised. In terms of my circle I’ve mainly experienced the significant intolerance on the Left, rather than the right.... In fact I’d go as far as to say that personal experience has really opened my eyes to the kind of prescribed thinking and incredible narrow mindedness , racism, classism and general prejudice that I though only existed on the right.

A good example even on here is the complete lack of respect for the democratic Brexit vote (and I say that as someone who voted against).

People seem to pick and choose democracy as and when it suits.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I’m only interested in it/intrigued by it in the same fashion I would be by coming across a burning building but it strikes me that the Democrats even if they win made a huge error in electing a man so old and prone to gaffes around remembering names etc. He is 78 in November I believe. If they had put forward a Younger more vibrant candidate then I would think they would have won more clearly.
If Trump actually scraped it they could only blame themselves ...they would have created their own Hell.

Secondly I find the modern pattern nowadays here (including on AVFTT btw) and in the States and elsewhere whereby anyone who doesn’t agree with ”our side“ must be belittled, abused, called names, made out to be insane, a snowflake, a fascist, unintelligent etc etc.......why has it got to this?.......they are expecting violence in the USA streets whoever wins....that is insane.

As I say it wont affect me one bit who wins the election in the USA.....it’s just a burning building
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Andrew Cuomo is a stand out candidate for me. Great communicator throughout the early stage of the Pandemic and the right kind of personality to destroy trump out of sight.
 
spudgun said:
What stable genius tries to undemocratically stop counting legitimate votes, whilst he is currently losing 224-213, yet claiming he has already won.

Just think about that for a moment...
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I think he was suggesting counting should be suspended and the electoral votes in the States where he was in the lead at that point should just be awarded to him.

In footy terms it’s a bit like saying after 20 minutes “Right I’m ahead on possession so I win. Blow the whistle.”
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think he was suggesting counting should be suspended and the electoral votes in the States where he was in the lead at that point should just be awarded to him.

In footy terms it’s a bit like saying after 20 minutes “Right I’m ahead on possession so I win. Blow the whistle.”
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As things currently stand, it is no longer in his interest to maintain this position. If they stopped counting now, by my calculation Biden would get 270 votes and would win.
 
basilrobbie said:
As things currently stand, it is no longer in his interest to maintain this position. If they stopped counting now, by my calculation Biden would get 270 votes and would win.
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That is why he is going to try and blow the whole thing apart.
It is mind boggling.
His latest Facebook posts show he is slowly going in to meltdown.... because votes are being counted; nothing more, nothing less.

And his followers are swallowing every word.
 
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