Aye, though I doubt that would have happened without the input, and impact, of VB. Although of course that is just conjecture on my part, but based on the fact the club was in the 3rd and 4th tier for the vast majority of their ownership.
Think you have stifled Mac as he hasn’t replied.
You can have development and improvement, and still be inconsistent. Take away the first 8 games and those I’ve mentioned, and tell when we’ve been poor?
Grow up man.
That's no problem. My view is that there's a positive camp but within that there's also some who think there isn't any problems and as MAc suggested tried to shut down debate or whatever you want to call it from those who don't see it that way. As you acknowledge there's "a way to go ", a long way imo and as long as any criticism is constructive then there shouldn't be a problem.
i dont think anyone wants to accept mediocre football. Thats what we lived with under the Oystons, with the exception of the Belekon years, in the back of our minds we knew even in the Premier league that the Oyston were trying to f*** the club, the fans, the players and coaches and the other owner. i actually have the geneuine belief that it is going to come good. in the past it was an (often forlorn) hope that the players and the coaches could overcome the mediocrity that the ownership engendered.
Keep it realistic. Nothing to do with how far we've come that they were time wasting. They were timewasting simply because they'd had a man sent off and were down to ten men and protecting the point they had.
Next they'll be telling us if Hull hadn't had a man sent off we'd have won that 4-0
Not sure I saw the O/P belittling anyone on this thread. Certainly not by the high A.V.F.T.T belittling standards that we've become accustomed to
Your the one whining like a baby
Who is suggesting there isn’t any problems to solve? We can and I am sure will improve. From a standing start at the beginning of the season I think mid table is ok approaching the half way stage and expect us to gain more points from n the 2nd half. Some of the negative posts are just click bait/run chases others are personal attacks on our own players and do nothing to help our cause.
Exactly .... others will get the chop if they don’t hit the targets set.
The “we told you it would come good” brigade appear to have become a little less vociferous of late.
You can't change the past but you can learn from it and change the future.
Drawn away at 2nd in the league, knocked West Brom out of the cup, they have no need to be quiet.
16th in the form table last 6 games. If that continues then we will be looking over our shoulders rather than the playoffs.
My sentiments exactly. Outstanding performance by Simon Sadler off the pitch but rather inconsistent on it.
I have been saying for weeks that we are not creating nearly enough chances not having shots on target and not scoring...I also believe it is the style we are playing...its not really working although it is better than the weird 4 3 3 (played more like a 4 3 1 1 1) which wasnt working at all
I'd argue we have too many unambitious fans also who are happy to remain in League One.
On Saturday, we were on the whole pretty poor. Plenty of effort and bodies on the line but if we're talking about playing football, it was shite at times. First shot on target was Yates goal wasn't it? 81st minute? Doncaster second half. Shrewsbury away.
I’d argue we have a lot of intelligent fans that understand you can’t overhaul a club from the bottom up, change the whole squad and expect success over night. Patience will be rewarded.
I mean, you can call fans who want us to go up this season unintelligent in far better ways.
on the hull forum they seem to think that they should have beaten us 4-0, i think the quote that stood out was that they should finish off teams like blackpool.Next they'll be telling us if Hull hadn't had a man sent off we'd have won that 4-0
Exactly. People who genuinely thought we'd be below half way in the table nearly halfway thru the season are simply making excuses for what so far has been pretty poor fayre. We all know Rome wasn't built in a day but I certainly expected to be seeing a team with a bit more about us going forward. Nobody, I repeat nobody, can make a valid excuse for the fact we've scored just 21 goals in 21 games.
Yeah I think our fans can be a bit entitled/unreasonable sometimes, but then I read other boards and realise it's all fans and by comparison, we're nowhere near as bad. They were calling for their manager to be sacked when we beat them and they were top of the league.
It's incredible to think that because outside of Malik Wilks, Honeyman and Eaves, they look ** turd.
You've no idea what they are thinking. 8 points off the play offs with over half the season to go and they might be reasonably happy. So going with your argument why shouldnt the fans.
I'd say that's fair comment 20s, I'd definitely hoped we would be up there and would be a bit happier if it was the case. Nothing wrong with aspiration. We could all justifiably say of course that that we'd like more or better for ourselves, friends, society etc than is currently the case. You could have whole new threads on that topic!
Like I said at the start of my post "for me". If you asked them if they'd prefer to be higher up the table then they'd both say yes. And so would I.
I’ve often wondered how Kurt never made it as a sports writer for one of the broadsheets
I think SS did address this fairly recently, in quite forthright fashion. I’m not going to look at his statement but I’m sure he said criticism was unfair. That’s his honest answer, so no need to speculate on that point. I think he’ll be excited by what he sees.
His statement said football was a game of opinions and emotions. He said comments can be a bit harsh and unhelpful. He is right and I wouldn't publicly expect him to say any different. And you are speculating yourself by saying you think he'll be excited by what he sees. 21 goals in 21 games certainly isn't anything to be excited about at all. Disagree or not, at some point performances and consistency has to improve. Both Sadler and the manager will be fully aware of that. And I am sure they will be working towards that. But it has to happen.
It will 20s, stay positive.
Cheers Timps, I'll try to.
Eaves didnt play at the weekend either...
A slip to mediocrity? I genuinely didn't see it that way. We created 4 or 5 really good chances. Away at a top of the league side. We didnt lose. We looked the better team. I really don't call that mediocre.Cheers Timps, I'll try to.
I don't think my emotions swing from one extreme to another but I get frustrated when I see positive performances like I did at Bristol ROvers[ we played well despite losing] and against WBA but then it slips to mediocrity as it was against Hull and as it has been for so many other games this season. Sadler made a significant investment in players during the close season and i've still every faith in the manager to get it right and like most managers he has to be seen to be saying the right things but I'd guess that he gets pretty frustrated as well too. For me there's no denying that there's a good few players who have yet to show consistently the quality required if we are to get out of this division.
Anyway, let's see what tomorrow brings.
i admire you for your TTS. We didn't create 4 or 5 really good chances at all. We started the brighter but after about fifteen minutes they were the better and more dangerous team. Within that hour we had a five minute spell just after half time where we nearly created a chance but didn't. It was only after the sending off that the game turned in our favour and even in those fifteen minutes against ten men we never created a chance of note.
We had four shots from Madine layoffs which really should have tested the keeper, Marvin missed the ball altogether from a yard out, and Madine couldn't hook one in from a yard out, and that's all before they scored. Plenty of chances, poor finishing.
I think Wizaard is right with this.
Nonsense. You said they were "really good chances". They were half chances at best. And the ball at a difficult height and the presence of the defender really made it difficult for Madine too. Again a half chance at best.
Is someone at the club asking you to post these OP's,if so,stop it now.
No they are not, you were an Oyston lover what’s yours problem with the club?
