Well done Boris

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“That's because generally the germans are more intelligent than us thick buggers. What a depressing country we have become.
Boris? We deserve him.”

Germany has postponed Football fixtures.
 
Yup. Managing the situation by allowing new arrivals from Italy through our airports without even
a hand written sign to be aware of possible symptoms, let alone checks.
Look at Raab yesterday, coughing into his hand and wiping his nose, with no tissue in sight.

And we take advice from these people?
 
In my opinion and in the eyes of the WHO we are not doing enough and the so-called experts are failing the UK population.

They are working on modelling systems that were obsolete when they were developed, many years ago. If you feed any system crap data you will get crap results.

Every other country is taking proactive measures, meanwhile we ask politely that people with a cough stay at home for 7 days.

The science is wrong, the experts are wrong, and Boris is not telling the truth.
 
Memphisboy said:
Came across very well. Proper leader with charisma. Him and the experts were very clear and concise. It won’t be pleasant but we’re British and we’ll soldier on.
It’s a worry but I feel reassured that our PM and the scientists seem on top of their brief.
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Pitty the reporters attending didn't listen to a word that was said 🧐
Dumb questions to which the experts had told them the answers already🤯
 
You can’t trust any government, the only person you can trust is yourself. Decide where you go, who you go with, stay at home or not, wash your hands and just be as careful as you can. It’s your health, it’s up to you.

I’m in Sydney and the Australian PM just made an address telling people to keep calm and carry on.
 
End of the day, I'd say this is 75% down to us to do exactly what we've been told which is wash your hands, don't touch your face and if you feel dodgy self-isolate. True story - bloke came out of a cubicle at work today and walked straight for the door - was called back by an angry mob and didn't even flinch. Been named and shamed across the entire work floor - only way ti deal with these individuals (and he has two kids!).
 
So Lolly, if you were PM how would you deal with it?

It is always the case, regardless of who is in charge, that no matter what they do it will always be wrong in the eyes of some.
 
I'd use humanity not economics for a start.

Lack of funding, in all areas that count and across the board, means it's a
losing battle either way. Our only option seems to be mitigation at this point.
We're "delaying" even that though aren't we?

I simply don't know the answer.
 
Lolly said:
I'd use humanity not economics for a start.

Lack of funding, in all areas that count and across the board, means it's a
losing battle either way. Our only option seems to be mitigation at this point.
We're "delaying" even that though aren't we?

I simply don't know the answer.
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Lack of funding?

Who would you pay?
What would you pay them to do?
Could they do it working from home?
 
Memphisboy said:
Came across very well. Proper leader with charisma. Him and the experts were very clear and concise. It won’t be pleasant but we’re British and we’ll soldier on.
It’s a worry but I feel reassured that our PM and the scientists seem on top of their brief.
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Yeah right. Advice - "You old fuckers don't go on a cruise. oh yes and don't go out if you have a sniffle" Those two scientific advisors on either side of him looked as though they didn't have a fuckin' clue which they most probably haven't and are considering where to go so we can get their families to safety. Gotta love that this bag of shite has fallen onto Boris's lap in his first year as PM.
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
Yeah right. Advice - "You old fuckers don't go on a cruise. oh yes and don't go out if you have a sniffle" Those two scientific advisors on either side of him looked as though they didn't have a fuckin' clue which they most probably haven't and are considering where to go so we can get their families to safety.
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That made sense
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Lack of funding?

Who would you pay?
What would you pay them to do?
Could they do it working from home?
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Hospital workers, care workers, border control workers.
A well funded NHS would have helped. We have less beds per head than most countries.
As I said, I don't have the answers. Not a clue. Scarily, none of us seem to have.
 
One of the flanking expert publicly wanted phase 2 last week and was over ruled by the PM. Cases increased by nearly one third today, lets see if tomorrow is half as many, then the following day is double. The public health experts say there are 5000 - 10000 cases here already. Italy has gone through 1000 deaths, and cabinet ministers can not even take their own advice.

Honestly, I don't think they care. Oh for a real leader of whatever political hue.
 
GrahamwantshisOates said:
Copied from another thread ( username Going up the Pool)
“That's because generally the germans are more intelligent than us thick buggers. What a depressing country we have become.
Boris? We deserve him.”

Germany has postponed Football fixtures.
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Taken out of context, mainly due to situation changing on a daily basis.

I detest Boris, but applaud the stance and communication so far. Stick to statistical data and the 'OFFICIAL' experts.
 
Why do we believe the "statistical data and the 'OFFICIAL' experts" on this virus issue, yet we seem to refuse to believe the scientific data on global warming? Is it a case of believing what we want to hear along with the blusterings of some public school halfwit rather than the truth? "Lets get the Virus done"
 
In comparison to the rest of Europe our Government's response to this crisis has, so far, been hopelessly feeble. What exactly is it that our experts know that those of our European neighbours don't?

Or is it perhaps that our Government just isn't listening?

The evidence is increasing hour by hour that this country is facing a potential catastrophe and yet our schools, universities, sports venues, shopping centres and even our borders all remain open. For pity's sake why?

And our Government's most recent advice? Keep washing your hands and stay off cruises ships. Ffs.

Boris is gambling with the health of this nation and if it all goes pear shaped (and I increasingly fear that it will) then heaven help him.
 
If we close the schools who will look after the kids and ensure they stay in isolation ? Grandparents who are most at risk?
 
Old_Laytonian said:
If we close the schools who will look after the kids and ensure they stay in isolation ? Grandparents who are most at risk?
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I thought they were looking to get the kids to do online schooling during the week at home. So really they shouldn't be out and about causing mischief like they do at weekends.
 
The aim should be to take the appropriate response at the correct time. Go too early and you blow it. Too late same.

It's impossible to argue that some haven't gone too early based on statistics.
 
poolseasider said:
Or keep nurses off who have kids at school age it makes no sense.
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Spot on.
20% of the population with underlying health problems are vulnerable, so why not concentrate on protecting them?

Most of the 20% are the elderly who are retired, but the smaller percentage of people with underlying health issues who are in work or education are the ones most exposed and most at risk.

Why force healthy parents to stay at home, and force unhealthy workers to go to work until they are infected? 🤔

The policy is wrong IMHO.
 
The countries that has Sars have been very organised and proactive this time, by all accounts, and are successfully containing the virus. A strategy was in place. We in Europe don't seem to have learnt from them, and the UK least of all. Seems very complacent.

It sounds like we have decided to go for a herd immunity approach, which would require 90% of the population to catch the virus. If 1 to 4% of those die, and countries with overwhelmed health services will be at the higher end, the maths provides some scary results. Either the government is very complacent, or is ok with large numbers of deaths, or it knows something that other governments don't. If I'm thinking straight.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
One of the flanking expert publicly wanted phase 2 last week and was over ruled by the PM. Cases increased by nearly one third today, lets see if tomorrow is half as many, then the following day is double. The public health experts say there are 5000 - 10000 cases here already. Italy has gone through 1000 deaths, and cabinet ministers can not even take their own advice.

Honestly, I don't think they care. Oh for a real leader of whatever political hue.
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Tangerinemoss said:
One of the flanking expert publicly wanted phase 2 last week and was over ruled by the PM. Cases increased by nearly one third today, lets see if tomorrow is half as many, then the following day is double. The public health experts say there are 5000 - 10000 cases here already. Italy has gone through 1000 deaths, and cabinet ministers can not even take their own advice.

Honestly, I don't think they care. Oh for a real leader of whatever political hue.
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Where is the evidence that Boris overruled a medical / science expert? Even for Boris, I would be very surprised if that was the case.
 
bfcpete said:
Where is the evidence that Boris overruled a medical / science expert? Even for Boris, I would be very surprised if that was the case.
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I'd guess he didn't specifically 'overule' but chose different advice from another expert.
 
Feel a bit like 'wash your hands everyone' is a bit like waving a piece of paper and declaring 'peace in our time' given the broader evidence from across Europe and beyond...

I also think stuff like this really throws the media into a negative light. There's a place for calm and reasoned information and this is it.
 
td53 said:
I'd guess he didn't specifically 'overule' but chose different advice from another expert.
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Again, where is the evidence of that? I would be very surprised that it was the case as politically he wouldn't have a leg to stand on bearing in mind that the has stated that they are following the advice from the Chief Science Officer and the Chief Medical Officer, who he has at the press conference to reinforce that and who presented the reasons tor the staged approach to actions
 
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bfcpete said:
Again, where is the evidence of that? I would be very surprised that it was the case as politically he wouldn't have a leg to stand on bearing in mind that the has stated that they are following the advice from the Chief Science Officer and the Chief Medical Officer, who he has at the press conference to reinforce that.
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The evidence is presumably the words of the expert. I don't know - I'm just making the point that when people say 'Boris overuled me' they might actually mean, Boris chose a different experts plan or indeed, a newspaper might say 'Boris overuled' when it means something slightly different semantically.

In a scenario like this, Boris is going to presented with different options and will inevitably 'ignore' 'overule' or 'reject' some advisory views. That's the point I'm trying to make. I'm not trying to condemn or defend him or claim to know anything about what happened, just make the point that when things are reported, small distinctions on language can paint the picture in different ways.

My personal view is we should be acting decisively but that's not what I'm trying to express.
 
The point I had questioned was the the allegation that he had overruled the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Science Officer when it was they who set out the reasons for the current staged approach. I just wondered whether there was evidence it was true, as I had not seen any allegation of that in the media, let alone any evidence.
I watched the presentation and explanations by the CMO and CTO on why they were not applying the big guns (public gatherings and events banned, school closures etc) at this stage. It was quite compelling. But I don't know if it is the right decision or not. Personally, I would have limited mass gatherings and also strictly controlled access to the likes of hospitals and care homes where there are vulnerable individuals.
 
I think that the government is keeping it's powder dry. It knows that some sort of lock down is inevitable but is trying to deploy it at the most effective time. However I can't understand why mass gathering events haven't been stopped. It's a simple step that has limited consequences that everybody understands and it may go someway to stop the spread of the disease. It also sends out a signal that this is a serious crisis and people may moderate their own behaviour as a consequence. I'll bet the Irish government are fuming that Cheltenham is going ahead as normal given the more aggressive actions that they have taken. That decision could save lives and would surely delay the spread of the virus. Instead we get 'Don't go on a cruise and if you think that you have the virus stay at home for a week'. Quite ominous that he said 'loved ones will die' - it is as if they have looked at a cost / benefit analysis of letting the virus spread and decided to do just that. I really hope my 87 year old mum does not get infected.
 
Great, It seems we now have experts on Covid-19 on the board as well as football managers and coaches and any other subject you wish to mention.

I was watching Question Time last night, until I nearly put my foot through the screen, and it showed that all the parties are trying to work together, however, there was one 'expert' who disagreed completely with everything we have been told and everything that was said, and it seems he would basically shut the country down, let all the prisoners out of jail and cause mass panic.

Greece is now accusing Turkey of being a hot spot and not reporting their cases, Russia only seems to have a couple of cases, North Koria has none!

So, who do we believe?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I think that the government is keeping it's powder dry. It knows that some sort of lock down is inevitable but is trying to deploy it at the most effective time. However I can't understand why mass gathering events haven't been stopped. It's a simple step that has limited consequences that everybody understands and it may go someway to stop the spread of the disease. It also sends out a signal that this is a serious crisis and people may moderate their own behaviour as a consequence. I'll bet the Irish government are fuming that Cheltenham is going ahead as normal given the more aggressive actions that they have taken. That decision could save lives and would surely delay the spread of the virus. Instead we get 'Don't go on a cruise and if you think that you have the virus stay at home for a week'. Quite ominous that he said 'loved ones will die' - it is as if they have looked at a cost / benefit analysis of letting the virus spread and decided to do just that. I really hope my 87 year old mum does not get infected.
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Surely if we stop mass gatherings now then we have to stop people going to restaurants/coffee shops/work places - For example Blackpool job centre has approx 80 staff and how many customers do they get a day, 400?
You might have a point about it signaling that we are in a crisis but bloomin heck, should we have to if it's not medically the right thing to do, after all it's on the news 24/7.
 
no9 said:
Surely if we stop mass gatherings now then we have to stop people going to restaurants/coffee shops/work places - For example Blackpool job centre has approx 80 staff and how many customers do they get a day, 400?
You might have a point about it signaling that we are in a crisis but bloomin heck, should we have to if it's not medically the right thing to do, after all it's on the news 24/7.
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I think that we will be doing that but not for a couple of weeks or so. Yes it's unclear - I see Jeremy Hunt is being critical of the government action today and he was the previous health secretary. I'm taking my own precautions.
 
It seems to me the Government has been slow and weak in getting into gear on this, and made some silly mistakes.

They were a month late in even calling a first Cobra meeting.

They halted flights from China and helped isolate those coming back but then
failed to halt and/or isolate people coming in from Northern Italy, a known hot spot with a large Chinese workforce in their luxury goods industry.

By that action alone they have effectively seeded the virus right round the UK.
Surely Atlético Madrid fans should have been prevented from coming to Liverpool as well?

Well done Boris.
 
no9 said:
Surely if we stop mass gatherings now then we have to stop people going to restaurants/coffee shops/work places - For example Blackpool job centre has approx 80 staff and how many customers do they get a day, 400?
You might have a point about it signaling that we are in a crisis but bloomin heck, should we have to if it's not medically the right thing to do, after all it's on the news 24/7.
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Looks like the appropriate bodies are taking their own action regardless of government advice
 
Memphisboy said:
Came across very well. Proper leader with charisma. Him and the experts were very clear and concise. It won’t be pleasant but we’re British and we’ll soldier on.
It’s a worry but I feel reassured that our PM and the scientists seem on top of their brief.
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Yep, old and disabled will probably die, but hey ho, lets have a brew and wash our hands 🙄
 
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