Poultongirl
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I read that earlier does this crazy woman think about what she is saying ? The maddest thing is she was actually being seriousI see that Green lunatic Baroness Jones is even trying to lock up men from 6PM on curfew
I read that earlier does this crazy woman think about what she is saying ? The maddest thing is she was actually being seriousI see that Green lunatic Baroness Jones is even trying to lock up men from 6PM on curfew
There was someone talking on the radio about how male attitudes to women have to change if we are to stop this. I’m certainly not going to belittle the horrific crimes that some men commit against women, but I also think it’s naive to think you can ‘stop’ something happening. Most men don’t think about attacking women, those that do aren’t stopped by length of prison sentence or ‘what society thinks’.I read that earlier does this crazy woman think about what she is saying ? The maddest thing is she was actually being serious
Something to think about the next time someone on here tells a joke belittling women, makes an offhand comment about a woman’s place etc or tells the avftt community how they’d love to ‘give ‘her’ one’.There was someone talking on the radio about how male attitudes to women have to change if we are to stop this. I’m certainly not going to belittle the horrific crimes that some men commit against women, but I also think it’s naive to think you can ‘stop’ something happening. Most men don’t think about attacking women, those that do aren’t stopped by length of prison sentence or ‘what society thinks’.
Looks like the rozzer has tried to commit suicide now, rushed to hospital with serious head injuries.
She clearly needs help, what does she think the reaction will be, stupid woman.I see that Green lunatic Baroness Jones is even trying to lock up men from 6PM on curfew
There will be a huge backlash against the police in London over this earlier indecency incident when it’s found that if they had acted quicker and arrested one of their own this tragedy wouldn’t have happened and this poor lady would still be with us.I think the police investigation into whatever happened in the incident prior to this poor girls murder is a separate issue to the one being levelled at men in general.
Correct, you cannot legislate for psychopaths. You cannot impose restrictions on all men because of the crimes of one or two.
These evil beings are anomalies of society, not the norm, and you can’t pre-empt their crimes by suppressing the activities of other men.
Are there any Met officers who aren't bad apples? Seems to happen time and time again.
Like every other story at the moment, the issue is fast becoming hysteria. Curfew on men after 6pm, woman told to be extra careful outside and given advice about when, where and what to carry, men told to learn how to behave etc.
To put it into perspective, in the year up to March 2020, 17% of all women killed were outside, 51% of men were killed outside.
I'm afraid the whole thing is now being politicised, with the call for street vigils by 'Reclaim The Streets', and I feel for the family of this poor woman. Let her rest in peace and her family grieve in as normal a way as possible. I can't imagine what it is like for them and hope never to be in their terrible situation.
When I was a student in the 70s there was the Reclaim the night movement whereby women marched to show they weren't going to be intimidated into not going out. You would have hoped society would have moved on by now.Absolutely.
Without wishing to politicise it further myself, I am sick of folk saying women shouldn't go out on their own, women shouldn't do this, etc, etc.
It goes without saying that they should be careful but the bottom line is that they should be able to do what they want, whenever they want without having to worry about wrong 'uns and it's those wrong 'uns who are wrong every single time and not their victims.
We'll all be fine and dandy when men are banned from being out after 6pm, or will we?
Perhaps men should put on leads and not let alone.
Then, there is the problem of domestic violence, all houses should fitted with manacles and leg irons to keep we males in check.
Or, maybe that silly Baroness should be retired and put in a home for the gently confused.
You can't accommodate for nutters and oddballs, no amount of awareness raising or vigils will ever, ever stop attacks such as the one that sadly occurred.
This is simply the latest politicised "campaign" being launched off the back of an awful tragedy, and it certainly won't be the last.
The fact that all men are being targeted as potential aggressors is simply staggering.
It's the messaging that's at fault here, effectively pissing off decent people who are appalled by such horrific and depraved attacks and fully agree that the perpetrators should receive lengthy and punitive sentences. There's a similarity to some of the more direct 'agree or you're just as much to blame' messages linked to MeToo or BLM. It's not the case that I might think about committing such crimes, but then social education, common decency or thinking about my female relatives stops me; the thoughts never enter my head. As is the same with billions of men all over the world.
But there are some things that men can think about that would also help women feel more comfortable. If it's late at night (or dark) and you're walking closely to a woman on her own, could you cross the street to give her the space to know she's not being followed or harassed? I know I've been walking behind a woman and she's stopped and let me walk in front of her. Inwardly, I might have got a little offended by the insinuation, but if I stop being precious about it, I can understand that if i felt vulnerable in a situation I'd feel more relieved and at ease if people around me made it clear they are not a threat. Similar to wearing a mask to show respect for others (rather than to protect yourself) we could make decisions that ease someone's fears and anxieties rather then heighten them.
I agree too with the point being made in the second paragraph, however, it will make women only feel safer about a situation that was never actually going to happen anyway, because the average bloke in the street is simply minding his own business and nipping to the shop for a pint of milk.Totally agree with your last paragraph, but fear not enough people give a toss about other people nowadays.
The ones that do probably already think as you suggest.
I agree too with the point being made in the second paragraph, however, it will make women only feel safer about a situation that was never actually going to happen anyway, because the average bloke in the street is simply minding his own business and nipping to the shop for a pint of milk.
How much of the fear women feel comes from far more other factors than just men walking too close behind them (for example).
This very incident that has occured has made women feel even more unsafe which is fueling their terror.
This runs far deeper than asking men to think twice before doing something which in the eyes of 99.9% of men is purely innocent and yet is viewed as being threatening.
No amount of decent/normal/average blokes crossing the road to make a woman feel safer is going to stop the horrendous attacks that actually do happen.
No I do agree with that too, and if there is one good thing that comes out of this horrible situation it is that men do try and work to ease fears of women then it may be of the slightest of comfort to her loved ones.No disagreement Finest, those who commit such crimes will still commit them. Same as knowing murder is wrong doesn't stop people from murdering. However, I would say to you that if you thought about the things I raised in the second paragraph, why wouldn't you do it, if you knew it put the other person at their ease? No reason not to, is there?
Yep - and that's the point i was making with the first paragraph. Get the messaging wrong and those of us who are onside, immediately feel like we're being accused of being part of the problem. That's not a good way of building support.No I do agree with that too, and if there is one good thing that comes out of this horrible situation it is that men do try and work to ease fears of women then it may be of the slightest of comfort to her loved ones.
My point, which I appreciate you have said you agree with, is that the changed behaviour of people like you, me and (hopefully) everyone else on this board still wouldn't have saved Sarah Everard.
My partner used to live in London and she was attacked twice by random men in London in daylight, busy road, people about and she constantly had men rubbing up against her on the tube trains and she says all her friends had the same happen. So it may not end up like it has for this poor girl but it is far more prevalent than most of you would imagine. Women should be able to walk around whenever they want to and so should men, but sadly, in this society there are a lot of men who think they can do what they want and that is just not right. So please don't think there is over reaction, there is a societal problem that needs to be addressed somehow.I think the police investigation into whatever happened in the incident prior to this poor girls murder is a separate issue to the one being levelled at men in general.
Correct, you cannot legislate for psychopaths. You cannot impose restrictions on all men because of the crimes of one or two.
These evil beings are anomalies of society, not the norm, and you can’t pre-empt their crimes by suppressing the activities of other men.
I too was a student in the late 70s when we had the Yorkshire Ripper manhunt. And that went on for about five years until he was finally caught. Many women students formed support groups, protested and generally just looked after each other. A significant problem they thought though was the presence of some “creepy blokes” who would attach themselves to the womens’ groups ostensibly to “support”, so events did become women-only which was understandable for those times but somewhat irregular.When I was a student in the 70s there was the Reclaim the night movement whereby women marched to show they weren't going to be intimidated into not going out. You would have hoped society would have moved on by now.
Spot on with your comment on wrong uns.
Body that was found in woodland in Kent has now been confirmed as Sarah, so sad for her family
What have I missed about this murder that has created such a large reaction that some people are seriously considering banning men off the streets at 6pm?
There were 241 women murdered in the UK in 2019, there is always a personal story and it's always desperately sad, but this has gone way more than that.
Is it because it is a police officer who appears to have done it?
I genuinely don't understand.
Maybe.Possibly because we haven't seen anything like it for quite a long time, partly a result of Covid, in fact I can't remember the last similar case.
Time for the death penalty and life with hard labour for the woman who aided and abetted whatever happens to their offspring they will have to deal with it
Yes. It’s her fault.You can’t stop living your life because you might be unfortunate enough to run into someone who means you harm. I’m a bloke and even I always keep aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night, it’s just common sense. Tragic as this Is, she’d still be alive if she hadn’t broken lockdown rules by visiting a friend, and she’d taken a taxi, instead of walking, in the dark, and across a dark common.
Not what I’m saying, 999 times out of 1,000, she’d have been fine, this time she wasn’t. 999 times out of a1,000, I take care when I’m crossing the road, and the one time I don’t, I’ll probably be ok. It’s just unlucky she encountered this evil person. I stick by my points, she shouldn’t have been visiting and she could have found over ways of getting home.Yes. It’s her fault.
I think that’s a bit low Mates.You can’t stop living your life because you might be unfortunate enough to run into someone who means you harm. I’m a bloke and even I always keep aware of who’s around me when I’m out at night, it’s just common sense. Tragic as this Is, she’d still be alive if she hadn’t broken lockdown rules by visiting a friend, and she’d taken a taxi, instead of walking, in the dark, and across a dark common.
Pretty, middle class white woman in a part of London many in the media will think is safe and suburban. And the alleged perpetrator is in the Met. Not hard to see why it’s in the news more than other cases.I’m not saying it’s her fault, I don’t know if her friend was in her support group, although I somehow doubt it. She chose to visit her friend in lockdown, if she hadn’t, she’d still be alive. The media have hyped this up, but don’t bother about the several other women and men who have been murdered since, apart from a nominal report.
Agreed.Pretty, middle class white woman in a part of London many in the media will think is safe and suburban. And the alleged perpetrator is in the Met. Not hard to see why it’s in the news more than other cases.
And you’re still indirectly blaming her for the situation. If she’d have followed lockdown rules she’d be alive. If she’d got a cab she’d be alive. We can use that sort of reasoning for any crime where there was an innocent victim who deserved better.
Fair enough innocent till proved guilty but if proved guilty then death to the murdering scum and life with hard labour for her if she aided and abetted
By the way if one of yours had been murdered you would be happy to wait would you ?
STOP DIGGING!!!!!!I’m not saying it’s her fault, I don’t know if her friend was in her support group, although I somehow doubt it. She chose to visit her friend in lockdown, if she hadn’t, she’d still be alive. The media have hyped this up, but don’t bother about the several other women and men who have been murdered since, apart from a nominal report.