Is Yates now 4th choice!

Hoppo

Hoppo

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Not many would have predicted that at the start of the season. How do we see him winning his place back?
 
No defiantly not. Critchley will have different teams for different matches based on who he thinks will do well in certain situations. Far too quick to jump to conclusions, you are.
 
Hoppo said:
Not many would have predicted that at the start of the season. How do we see him winning his place back?
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no not at all. Certainly think we went over the top with him in the close season and the ridiculous valuation some of our fans were valuing him at. He needs to prove himself in this division before we start talking about a 5 million pound player. That said I do think he'll come back strong. His workrate is incredible and so having a couple of games off won't do any harm. Ans a key is that he needs to start getting some decent service. Today we probably created more clear cut chances than we've done near enough in all our other matches put together. Yates may well have thrived today. Madine didn't pull up any trees when he came on but you can understand Critchleys desire to get the ball to stick when knocked forward.
 
20togo said:
no not at all. Certainly think we went over the top with him in the close season and the ridiculous valuation some of our fans were valuing him at. He needs to prove himself in this division before we start talking about a 5 million pound player. That said I do think he'll come back strong. His workrate is incredible and so having a couple of games off won't do any harm. Ans a key is that he needs to start getting some decent service. Today we probably created more clear cut chances than we've done near enough in all our other matches put together. Yates may well have thrived today. Madine didn't pull up any trees when he came on but you can understand Critchleys desire to get the ball to stick when knocked forward.
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Spot on.

Also, Lavery cannot run that hard 3 times in a week. Jerry will get a chance by default sooner or later.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
He should have come on hnstead of Madine.

The Goal Machine offered little in my opinion. He didn't leap for one header when he came on and not mobile/quick enough for this level..
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What about the one he headed on target? That's at least one. He wasn't very good, but talk about jumping on a lad coming back from an injury lay off that's lasted for the best part of 8 months. One poor sub appearance for 17 minutes and he's 'not good enough?'
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
He should have come on hnstead of Madine.

The Goal Machine offered little in my opinion. He didn't leap for one header when he came on and not mobile/quick enough for this level..
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He actually won the very first header seconds after coming on and he also won the aerial dual where he knocked a tame header into the keepers hands. But yep, didn't have any major impact on the game.
 
Looking at what madine contributed which wasn't very much lost the ball most times he got it and didn't really do too much holding up I had to think Jerry would have held the ball up better if played to his feet. And would have fought harder to get it back when he did lose it
It's a bit of a dilemma because Madine needs more games to get match fit.
 
Feel sorry for Jerry, although it’s not clicking for him in front of goal his work rate for the team is second to none. I would rather have him playing behind Lavery. I don’t think TTJ gives us anything and his finishing is shocking. I know he is only young but at this level you need to take your chances especially if you are starting every week.
 
I could be wrong but given the number of games played at high intensity at this level and the depth of squad we possess I could see Critchley playing Yates vs Hull.

Like other posters have stated his time and goals will come.His application is never in doubt the problem has been balancing the side behind him to feed him.That dare I say is now in place.

The final piece is who he plays alongside and it would seem currently that Lavery and Yates are an either or with JJ in tandem.

Madine is still feeling his way back so he would seem likely to continue as the bench option.

Interesting times and nice to appraise options rather than results with points and League position rising.
 
Lavery had run out of steam in the last 15 minutes and should have been subbed. TJJ has had enough starts up to now and Jerry should be starting from Tuesday
 
It would be fantastic if Jerry and Shayne played together and started banging the goals in on a regular basis and being the most formidable strike force in the league, but l cant see it is they are too much of a likeness and they can’t get the right service. All too often they are playing against giant CHs and don’t win the headers, that’s where Madine comes in and although he didn’t uproot any trees yesterday he made sure their No30 and No5 were in a different game.
 
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Don't believe that Yates is 4th choice and I would be surprised if he didn't start on Tuesday. No doubt Critch will assess fitness etc on Tuesday but there will need to be a few changes I think and Yates is likely to be one of those. I hope we don't end up with another Huddersfield - the squad after all is there to be used, and should be if players are not literally 100%. Keogh looked shattered at the end of the match and Bowler too. As far as JJ is concerned I think he needs a break - just struggling for form at the moment.
 
I noticed Laverys face was that red it looked like it was going to explode after 10 minutes. I'm not sure his fitness is what it should be
 
I am concerned that NC is not getting the best out of our best striker. He seems to have gone all in, on TJJ, who is not our player and never will be.

Jerry is not a workhorse as has been described - yes he works hard for the team, but he’s so so clever in his movement and technically gifted. I cannot recall a clear cut chance created for him this season (usually due to poor passing from Lavery or TJJ) or a clear opportunity he’s missed. Others have missed a good few, and Jerry probably created them directly or indirectly.

I fear that if this continues, we’ll lose the best striker we’ve had in years, and a player who should be a fans favourite. For me, it’s the way NC wants to set up that is killing Jerry, and in my opinion, limiting how good we could be. Even when he gets game time, he’s going to struggle for chances. In a 3-5-2, with a clever creative player in midfield, he’d score plenty in the Championship.

He’s a class player, first name on the sheet for me, and if this continues I foresee offers for Jerry in January.
 
Lavery was absolutely unplayable in the first half yesterday. Barnsley’s defence looked terrified and their no. 10 was having to come back into defence to pick up the ball. It was one of the best displays of ‘pressing’ I’ve ever seen. Im not surprised he wasn’t as intense in the second half. I think had we not been 1-0 up then Yates would have come on, but Madine is the more likely to hold up play and adds to the defence when opposition start launching balls into the box come the end of the game.

TJJ was poor. He adds nothing to the squad. Not quick (slowed right down and almost got caught by the CB when through 1on1 and with a 10 yard head start), Not Sharp (missed the 1on1), doesn’t hold the ball up, doesn’t chase down and expects far too much time and space on the ball. I’ve also noticed he waits for the ball and prefers the ball to do the work instead of meeting it. That’s all well and good at U23 where you have more time, don’t have much to play for and don’t have seasoned pros against you but at this level it’s not good enough. Simms really kicked on and developed quickly after a slow start but TJJ doesn’t look like he’s improved at all. Was a passenger for 60/70 minutes yesterday.

Yates will start in TJJ’s place on Tuesday I reckon.
 
It's a squad game, Yates and Lavery will share the central position. On current form Shayne should rightly keep the shirt. TJJ and Yates both need a goal or 2 to get them going, hopefully that will happen soon.
 
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Lavery was absolutely unplayable in the first half yesterday. Barnsley’s defence looked terrified and their no. 10 was having to come back into defence to pick up the ball. It was one of the best displays of ‘pressing’ I’ve ever seen. Im not surprised he wasn’t as intense in the second half. I think had we not been 1-0 up then Yates would have come on, but Madine is the more likely to hold up play and adds to the defence when opposition start launching balls into the box come the end of the game.

TJJ was poor. He adds nothing to the squad. Not quick (slowed right down and almost got caught by the CB when through 1on1 and with a 10 yard head start), Not Sharp (missed the 1on1), doesn’t hold the ball up, doesn’t chase down and expects far too much time and space on the ball. I’ve also noticed he waits for the ball and prefers the ball to do the work instead of meeting it. That’s all well and good at U23 where you have more time, don’t have much to play for and don’t have seasoned pros against you but at this level it’s not good enough. Simms really kicked on and developed quickly after a slow start but TJJ doesn’t look like he’s improved at all. Was a passenger for 60/70 minutes yesterday.

Yates will start in TJJ’s place on Tuesday I reckon.
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spot on about TJJ. Thought he had a shocker [again] yesterday.
 
20togo said:
spot on about TJJ. Thought he had a shocker [again] yesterday.
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The question is how many more poor games. I don’t see why he keeps starting, at the expense of Jerry.

He has little impact on the team, not particularly quick, poor passing and finishing.

Is it because he’s from Arsenal and England u23 that NC is selecting him - if he was on loan from a lesser club I don’t think he’d be selected. Maybe it’s NC that places importance on himself as a coach, being able to develop the lad.

The difference to Simms is huge, we saw him learning very quickly.

There are plenty of very similar players out there in his age group. I don’t see him making it at Arsenal.
 
TangerineBayern said:
I think he’ll get a starting position on Tuesday
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So do I. You can't expect the same starting lineup for every game when we are on a Saturday / Tuesday cycle. And I think Jerry will be up for it. Just needs a bit of luck and he is better when playing off a big man - Madine and Simms showed that last season
 
I’d have swapped Lavery for Yates in the last 15. Lavery was knackered.

TJJ really needs a goal. He never looked confident of scoring the big chance he had. I just hope he’s not getting regular game time because it’s more expensive for us not to play him. At present it’s hard to see what he’s bringing.
 
Lavery and Yates are both 100%’ers.
If one starts and the other doesn’t, it seems almost a given that they should be sub swapped on the hour mark.
 
Personally I don`t think Yates is good enough in the Championship.We` ve got better. Good work rate but offers more quantity than quality.I forecast at the start of the season that he would struggle and so far just one goal and that a penalty.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Personally I don`t think Yates is good enough in the Championship.We` ve got better. Good work rate but offers more quantity than quality.I forecast at the start of the season that he would struggle and so far just one goal and that a penalty.
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We've only played 9 games and that area of the team is not sorted out yet. Lavery can play as a lone striker, Yates is not the same. Critch appears to believe JJ will develop into a co-striker and his judgement is better informed than yours or mine. Same applies with Yates. It's all a work in progress. I believe Yates is good enough for this level. It doesn't always happen immediately.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Personally I don`t think Yates is good enough in the Championship.We` ve got better. Good work rate but offers more quantity than quality.I forecast at the start of the season that he would struggle and so far just one goal and that a penalty.
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Rubbish.. Jerry is the best striker at the club, but strikers need service, of which he has had absolutety non whilst weve been finding our feet in this league. Give him the service and he will be our top scorer this season.
 
Briggsysgonagetya said:
Rubbish.. Jerry is the best striker at the club, but strikers need service, of which he has had absolutety non whilst weve been finding our feet in this league. Give him the service and he will be our top scorer this season.
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I`m afraid the rubbish is all from you as this season has already shown and will continue to show,always assuming NC thinks he`s actually worth his place which is beginning to look doubtful now. I will be amazed if he even gets more than half as many goals as he scored in the lower division last season.
 
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